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Author Topic: The Bessler Wheel, mystery solved.  (Read 367259 times)

Vortex1

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Re: The Bessler Wheel, mystery solved.
« Reply #645 on: May 29, 2014, 04:17:02 PM »
Agreed, there is no gain, it was just meant to show a method of explaining Besslers riddle. I never implied there was a gain.

I would urge people to think deeply about gravity, beyond high school physics and the "conferring" on the lifted weight of GPE. Nothing was conferred onto the weight, it is a component of a system. There is no measurement you can make on the weight alone to prove that it has been blessed with GPE.

Consider the action of gravity between two bodies of equal mass at very distant points in an otherwise empty space.

What is the limit of acceleration and net energy released upon collision?
« Last Edit: May 30, 2014, 02:03:39 AM by Vortex1 »
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forest

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Re: The Bessler Wheel, mystery solved.
« Reply #646 on: May 29, 2014, 06:00:40 PM »
I know how elusive is to think out of the box. The working self-running device will be very important even being a toy , just not powered by any known energy source like sun light or wind.




World is full of half-truth examples . You cannot get more energy from impact of two bodies falling in gravity field to the ground from the same elevation point, if those have the same mass, right ? RIGHT, but half-truth !


You can prepare ground below one mass and choose carefully material and you can get 100 times the energy of impact.


It's just one example of how narrow followin laws of physics will make you blind.
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Vortex1

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Re: The Bessler Wheel, mystery solved.
« Reply #647 on: May 29, 2014, 07:10:59 PM »
I was suggesting two bodies in gravitational attraction to each other in otherwise empty space, not two bodies falling to earth.

Maybe you could kindly expand on your example.

On another point, a peak energy pulse can do some interesting things, but is not very interesting when applied to another mass, as it is absorbed and integrated.
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forest

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Re: The Bessler Wheel, mystery solved.
« Reply #648 on: May 29, 2014, 08:31:24 PM »
ok, to be more strict - it's not my idea ...but I found it relative to your comment. If you prepare ground as a iron plate and use two blocks of the same mass falling from the same place then the neodymium magnet will hit iron plate with much more force  ;)
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LibreEnergia

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Re: The Bessler Wheel, mystery solved.
« Reply #649 on: May 30, 2014, 01:14:45 AM »
Quote from: forest on May 29, 2014, 06:00:40 PM
I know how elusive is to think out of the box. The working self-running device will be very important even being a toy , just not powered by any known energy source like sun light or wind.


World is full of half-truth examples . You cannot get more energy from impact of two bodies falling in gravity field to the ground from the same elevation point, if those have the same mass, right ? RIGHT, but half-truth !

You can prepare ground below one mass and choose carefully material and you can get 100 times the energy of impact.

It's just one example of how narrow followin laws of physics will make you blind.

This is simply not true. The energy of the impact is exactly the same and your comment belies a significant misunderstanding of the concept of energy. 

Two identical masses dropped from the same height will arrive at the ground with exactly the same amount of kinetic energy. What happens at impact and how that energy is transferred to the ground depends on the rate at which the objects decelerate. 

You are confusing energy with either the peak forces generated or power which is the rate of change of energy.

 The amount of energy dissipated is the SAME no matter what surface it hits. The power of the impact depends on the nature of the surface and how it affects the deceleration of the object.

Like most on here, the confusion of the concepts of energy and power is the key reason for believing 'over-unity' is even possible.
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forest

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Re: The Bessler Wheel, mystery solved.
« Reply #650 on: May 30, 2014, 07:24:44 AM »
he he he right...laws of nature are immutable but people are more clever to use a few together  ;)
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MarkE

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Re: The Bessler Wheel, mystery solved.
« Reply #651 on: May 30, 2014, 07:34:56 AM »
Quote from: forest on May 30, 2014, 07:24:44 AM
he he he right...laws of nature are immutable but people are more clever to use a few together  ;)
If you can find a cheat against any First Principle then you would have every right to laugh.  Unfortunately...
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ARMCORTEX

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Re: The Bessler Wheel, mystery solved.
« Reply #652 on: May 30, 2014, 07:44:47 AM »
;D ;D ;D

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MarkE

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Re: The Bessler Wheel, mystery solved.
« Reply #653 on: May 30, 2014, 09:09:31 AM »
Hope springs eternal ...
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memoryman

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Re: The Bessler Wheel, mystery solved.
« Reply #654 on: May 30, 2014, 05:25:06 PM »
Actually, FOREST, thinking outside the box is easy. It is the putting the results of that thinking into useful form that is difficult.
Laws are absolute and inviolate until they are not.
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TinselKoala

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Re: The Bessler Wheel, mystery solved.
« Reply #655 on: May 30, 2014, 08:28:22 PM »
Quote from: MarkE on May 30, 2014, 09:09:31 AM
Hope springs eternal ...

Maybe that's what runs gurangax's imaginary wheel: an eternal Hope spring.
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MarkE

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Re: The Bessler Wheel, mystery solved.
« Reply #656 on: May 30, 2014, 08:48:33 PM »
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 30, 2014, 08:28:22 PM
Maybe that's what runs gurangax's imaginary wheel: an eternal Hope spring.
There are just two days left until it's 2010 all over again.
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gauschor

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Re: The Bessler Wheel, mystery solved.
« Reply #657 on: May 30, 2014, 11:32:19 PM »
That Hope would indeed be a nice powersource.
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Re: The Bessler Wheel, mystery solved.
« Reply #658 on: June 01, 2014, 01:03:45 AM »
Ok. So here we've got June. Time for a show...
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TinselKoala

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Re: The Bessler Wheel, mystery solved.
« Reply #659 on: June 01, 2014, 02:07:51 AM »
Conspicuous in his absence....

 ::)

Hey, I'm willing to give him until midnight, Texas time. That's another full 29 hours from here.
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