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magpwr

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Re: 3v OU Flashlight
« Reply #330 on: April 29, 2014, 06:19:22 PM »
In regards to coil turns, when Akula dismantles the coil he appears to remove off fairly equal lengths of wire with each pull. The count for the first winding is 23 lengths and 26 for the second winding.

Edit: I have now tried new software and the probe does appear to be connected.

hi Hoppy,

I do notice the same thing related to some similarity in term of winding between primary and secondary.Taking the width of around 22awg per strand of magnet wire.It look like it's around 60turns give or take.

But there is always a small catch.Base on one of my quick experiment done few months ago to verify inductance reading base on "1 turn /1 loop" around various ferrite &iron powder core which also included my most expensive "nanocrystalline core"

I find that even for 1 wire loop inductance test on various core the uH reading differs a lot.Fyi only-The nanocrystalline core did produce the highest reading for 1 loop test at 44uH.

Now lets get back to the topic-If we want to achieve a particular uH reading since all of us around the world would likely be using various types of pot core or flyback core."
The number of turns applied for me or anyone to achieve a particular uH or mH reading cannot be applied for another person whom is using another type of core."This is a  fact"

If Akula is using 50 turns estimate on 2000nm pot core to achieve the required uH reading .We can't follow the same number of turns unless we do have the same set of core.But we can alter winding to get the required uH or mH reading.

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Latest update-
It seems i have missed the delivery of the 4.7cm pot core which i would need to collect from post office tomorrow.But i don't have copper foil in hand yet at this moment.

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Latest discovery related to my experimental Don smith device(Not due for video release until i increase input voltage by around 5 fold to my 3meter oxygen free 5 turn 8AWG primary cable) after getting the long waited 2000volt capacitors which i also need to connect in series and parallel formation to support higher voltage."2KV Capacitors are already getting warm at mere 60volts to primary."
There is interference to my portable "digital FM radio" located around 4 meters away only once i hit resonance besides the bulb getting brighter at secondary."The reception became bad that i can barely hear music being played from radio"

I then recall base on Chinese forum link found on page 260 of PJKbook.

This word as found in Chinese forum would be of interest for some of us related to resonance on how it works"Yes some are my own connecting words just to make more sense".
It goes something like imagine knocking on the bowl constantly at the right  timing
the frequency/ringing of bowl would increase and increase.But If we knock on the bowl too soon or too late after the previous knock it won't work."It would hinder the acceleration of ringing frequency"

"Remember the knocking is done in low frequency <12hz  but the end result produced is high frequency" Similar to current 3v ou light device ....   

For Don smith device the applied frequency base on their experiment is around 210khz...230khz to primary.But at resonance for the team it went up to Mhz range 50Mhz.

For my case at this point it's just 172khz base on 5 turns uH reading 2.65uH and induction capacitor 0.3x uf ,due to existing IGBT limitations."It's already causing unexpected interference on the FM band"





 

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Re: 3v OU Flashlight
« Reply #331 on: April 29, 2014, 06:31:26 PM »
And here are a couple of representative screenshots.

I determined last night that the BUZ11A mosfet doesn't really switch properly, even when the strong sinusoid from Pin 13 is present. To see if the transistor or mosfet is actually switching, you need to monitor the Collector or Drain signal, it's the only way to be sure. I say again: the noise bursts are causing the signal to the inverter which results in the transistor switching, not the other way around. There is feedback to be sure, but it does not seem to be the case that the DC-DC converter chip is responding to being pulled down when the mosfet switches... because my mosfet wasn't switching.

However the TIP3055 does switch properly, as you can see from the scopeshot below showing the collector (inverted) trace.

Note that I am now at 1 ms/div horizontally and the sinus oscillations are in the ballpark of the signal on Akula's screen. It's not stable for me, though, and I have some hypotheses about that, such as my lack of a nearby source that is singing at that frequency.

(These are made with the inner, smaller inductance on the transistor side and the larger on the 340963 side.)

ETA: Disregard the numbers in the "measurement" box.... they are using the entire buffer, I forgot to reset it to just use between cursors. So the measurements are including lots of time of unstable waveforms or even non-oscillating blanks. Please just read the traces themselves using the channel voltage setting and timebase. Sorry about that!

TK,

I don't understand the purpose inverter section.  Even when the MOSFET or transistor is turned on, it seems all it would do is apply an additional 200R load to the supply rail.

Also, keep in mind that CMOS inputs typically have input overvoltage protection.  Typically these are diodes or "pseudo" diodes made from additional CMOS elements.  Normally these diodes turn on at .5-.6V below ground or above Vcc.  Many of the input protect schemes do incorporate an internal resistance for current limiting when the diodes turn on, but the actual circuit topology used can vary between manufacturers.  I believe this is why you noted a difference in behavior with a different mfg device.

In one of your first videos on this circuit, as you increased the FG input to the inverter and the P-P V of the FG exceeded the rail, you can see the rail increase on the peaks as the input diodes begin to conduct.  At least that is what it looked like to me.

PW
 

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Re: 3v OU Flashlight
« Reply #332 on: April 29, 2014, 06:58:19 PM »
Here's a comparison between the Collector of the TIP3055 and the Pin13 input signal to the 4069 inverter stage. The collector trace is High, at the supply voltage, when the transistor is OFF and drops to near the zero baseline when the transistor is ON and carrying current from collector to emitter. Neither trace is inverted.

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Re: 3v OU Flashlight
« Reply #333 on: April 29, 2014, 07:18:17 PM »
And here I've take out the TIP3055 and replaced the BUZ11A mosfet. I've made no adjustments, not even tweaking the pot.

You can see that the Drain voltage remains at the supply voltage of 3 volts or just under, and barely moves when the large amplitude sinus happens on the input to the inverter. So the positive rail cannot be being pulled down to make the bursts to make the sinusoid.... it is the other way around. The sinus is the "input" from the bursts which make the sinus in the transformer, which then switches the transistor. The bursts and sinus occur whether or not the transistor or mosfet is switching, though, so pulling down the positive rail can't be the cause. At least that's how I'm thinking at the moment.


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Re: 3v OU Flashlight
« Reply #334 on: April 29, 2014, 07:25:48 PM »
TK,

I don't understand the purpose inverter section.  Even when the MOSFET or transistor is turned on, it seems all it would do is apply an additional 200R load to the supply rail.

Also, keep in mind that CMOS inputs typically have input overvoltage protection.  Typically these are diodes or "pseudo" diodes made from additional CMOS elements.  Normally these diodes turn on at .5-.6V below ground or above Vcc.  Many of the input protect schemes do incorporate an internal resistance for current limiting when the diodes turn on, but the actual circuit topology used can vary between manufacturers.  I believe this is why you noted a difference in behavior with a different mfg device.

In one of your first videos on this circuit, as you increased the FG input to the inverter and the P-P V of the FG exceeded the rail, you can see the rail increase on the peaks as the input diodes begin to conduct.  At least that is what it looked like to me.

PW
The purpose of the inverter section is to act as a Red Herring. There is another one of Akula's miracle versions that only uses the 34063, no inverter.  And as I show in the scopeshot above, it is unlikely that any mosfet would actually switch. So the whole thing actually has zero function if a mosfet is used. The TIP3055 does work though.... but does it have a material effect on the operation of the device? Not that I can tell. The LEDs still dim and go out in a few seconds after the power is removed. Duh.

I've lost count of how many different devices and schematics he's published. It's like LMM on methamphetamine, good thing I can't read Russian.

Yes, I agree with your analysis of the inverter functioning.

Thanks for looking and posting, I really appreciate your insights and thoughts on this matter.

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Re: 3v OU Flashlight
« Reply #335 on: April 29, 2014, 07:37:44 PM »
@magpwr:
You are right about turns vs. inductance. The way I do it is empirically. I wind a  few turns onto the form and then strip off a tiny bit of insulation from the wire and take an inductance reading. Then I know, ballpark, my own particular microH/turn ratio, so I can wind some more turns, then check inductance again, until I get to the desired inductance. In that last coil outer winding I was shooting for 5.7 mH and wound up with about 5.9 mH, not bad for an amateur. I couldn't even tell you how many turns, less than 150 but more than 100 probably.



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Re: 3v OU Flashlight
« Reply #336 on: April 29, 2014, 07:38:14 PM »
The purpose of the inverter section is to act as a Red Herring. There is another one of Akula's miracle versions that only uses the 34063, no inverter.  And as I show in the scopeshot above, it is unlikely that any mosfet would actually switch. So the whole thing actually has zero function if a mosfet is used. The TIP3055 does work though.... but does it have a material effect on the operation of the device? Not that I can tell. The LEDs still dim and go out in a few seconds after the power is removed. Duh.

I've lost count of how many different devices and schematics he's published. It's like LMM on methamphetamine, good thing I can't read Russian.

Yes, I agree with your analysis of the inverter functioning.

Thanks for looking and posting, I really appreciate your insights and thoughts on this matter.

TK,

I see R3 is a 100R not a 200R, so I should have said that even if/when the MOSFET/transistor does turn on, it only appears to apply an additional 100R load to the rail.  I am, however, surprised that the sine wave gets through with C5 installed (assuming I am looking at the correct schematic).

PW.


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Re: 3v OU Flashlight
« Reply #337 on: April 29, 2014, 10:27:18 PM »
IF YOU NEED COPPER FOIL TAPE:

I have found some copper foil tape at my local hardware store in the gardening section. It seems snails don't like copper so if you put some copper tape around your pot plant they keep away. I say let the snails feast, we've got something better to do with copper foil tape  :D

PS: You may have missed my post 298 and 300 on this thread. I hope admin is quick with this one  :-\

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Re: 3v OU Flashlight
« Reply #338 on: April 30, 2014, 01:49:54 AM »
IF YOU NEED COPPER FOIL TAPE:

I have found some copper foil tape at my local hardware store in the gardening section. It seems snails don't like copper so if you put some copper tape around your pot plant they keep away. I say let the snails feast, we've got something better to do with copper foil tape  :D

PS: You may have missed my post 298 and 300 on this thread. I hope admin is quick with this one  :-\

Good idea.  Also, craft stores sell it in their stained glass section.  I got some there for making circuit board traces.

Bill

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Re: 3v OU Flashlight
« Reply #339 on: April 30, 2014, 03:57:38 AM »
IF YOU NEED COPPER FOIL TAPE:

I have found some copper foil tape at my local hardware store in the gardening section. It seems snails don't like copper so if you put some copper tape around your pot plant they keep away. I say let the snails feast, we've got something better to do with copper foil tape  :D


Thanks for the tip. Yes, I know about snail repellent and also about stained glass copper foil. I'm working on a very tight budget and I already have a big roll of aluminum duct tape, and some brass tubing of the ideal size for a bobbin for the flyback core. I'll be happy to review any empirical reports you have that show an Akula device running on copper foil, but another identical one not running on aluminum foil.

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PS: You may have missed my post 298 and 300 on this thread. I hope admin is quick with this one  :-\

I didn't miss the post of the patent concerning Cold Fusion ignited by Nuclear Acoustic Resonance.... it was very amusing. I generally prefer the SF pulp magazines like Analog and SF&F, but occasionally the USPTO does publish a good one.

And the other post concerning your explanation and theories of operation are also very amusing. But you seem to be missing an important point. It does not matter what your theory is, how smart you are or how beautiful your mathematics. If it doesn't agree with experiment, it's wrong. (Apologies to Richard Feynman.) What "we" or at least I am doing here is examining a claim that a particular device behaves in a certain manner. This device is constructed of COTS (commercial off the shelf) parts and enough information has been presented about its construction and operation that any person "skilled in the art" should be able to build one and duplicate the results. There is no unusual theory or explanation required or demanded, and unnecessary speculation and even _wrong_ theoretical ideas are not very helpful, in my opinion. If you bake a cake according to a recipe, no theory of ovens or cakes is required, the recipe either produces an edible cake without burning the house down... or it doesn't. If it doesn't, and you've not done something stupid like failing to cut slits in your foils ... then there is something wrong with the recipe. Maybe you've got a recipe for a tuna casserole, thinking it's a cake. Not going to get a chocolate cake from that! Even though it's a good recipe. Or maybe the recipe doesn't make anything at all, like so many we see here. At least Akula's recipe is making something!

 (Using the mass of the electron in an attempt to explain the S-shape of the plasma channel between two HV electrodes.... that was great, really enlightening. Are you a CRT designer, I wonder? Have you done much work with high voltage apparatus, plasma streams, corona discharge, static electricity? I'd love to hear about it.)

In this case.... no cake so far. Nuclear Acoustic Resonance hitting the wrong note in my apparatus, preventing the LEDs from operating? Great, please provide some empirical support for that conclusion. Secret irradiated Soviet ferrites necessary? Great, send me a set, and I'll do what apparently nobody else has actually done: I'll test them side by side with fake Chinese ferrites in the same apparatus, and we shall see what difference the irradiation makes. 

/sarcastic rant
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Re: 3v OU Flashlight
« Reply #340 on: April 30, 2014, 04:37:42 AM »
TK,

I see R3 is a 100R not a 200R, so I should have said that even if/when the MOSFET/transistor does turn on, it only appears to apply an additional 100R load to the rail.  I am, however, surprised that the sine wave gets through with C5 installed (assuming I am looking at the correct schematic).

PW.
I've lifted that C5 cap several times to see the effect on operation, and it appears to be necessary to see the sine wave. Without it I just get big noise spikes everywhere,  no coherent patterns that I can tell.

The schematic I'm using, with my current changes,  is attached below.

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Re: 3v OU Flashlight
« Reply #341 on: April 30, 2014, 08:17:10 AM »
What is the result? LEDs are lit without 3v power?

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« Reply #342 on: April 30, 2014, 11:00:50 AM »
TK:
I hear your rant. It gives a good idea of the approach to the problem. I.t.o. backing cakes don't you need the correct recipe? Correct ingredients? Maybe get on a plane and go see Akula (who's name is Roman and has dark slightly curly hair, roundish face with green tinted brown eyes, not the tallest guy either, about 25 - 28 years of age).

ALL:
Something to experiment with, no promises tho, and yes I have practically done this. Put two coils on the ferrite. One across each joint of the ferrite . Create an air gap on one side BUT no gap on the other side by tilting the one half. The coil on the gaped side is your driving coil, the other is the receiver. Play with the applied frequency. Drive it with a balanced wave (aka pos swing = neg swing), square wave works well. E-cores also work, the drive coil can be on the middle or outer arm, receiver on the outer. Since it is an interruption of conductance of resonant flux effect the amount of flux is determined by the load matching and the air gap. It is like a Joule ringer with much less turns on the output and can be tuned by the air gap.

I have another project that I am working on and the business to run so might not get over here as often as I'd like.

Have fun!

PS: Tip for NAR - modulate one frequency onto another. One for magnetic resonance and one for acoustic resonance. That is why you see two waves on akula's scope. Also, the core material does play a big role. You can make your own ferrites. But I don't think this is the correct thread for that. Good luck with of the shelf - unless you are an old russian. Unit then, check out this guy (best science guy on youtube, well in my oppion): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSZGUV8D19I

The capetonian



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Re: 3v OU Flashlight
« Reply #343 on: April 30, 2014, 11:56:29 AM »
I've lifted that C5 cap several times to see the effect on operation, and it appears to be necessary to see the sine wave. Without it I just get big noise spikes everywhere,  no coherent patterns that I can tell.

The schematic I'm using, with my current changes,  is attached below.

hi TinselKoala,

It looks like you are following the Akula variation.Have you considered implementing resistor in series with Led(Limit current to led) and discharge resistor(around 560...3.3k ) connected in parallel with C5 100uf to ensure the sine wave looks like nice sine wave. :)

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Finally received the 4.7cm diameter Ferrite pot core as attached after waiting for nearly one month.Now i shall patiently wait for copper foil to magically appear at my door step.  :D




 

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Re: 3v OU Flashlight
« Reply #344 on: April 30, 2014, 02:08:25 PM »
Hi TinselKoala,

Do you have the time to test your circuit according to the attached circuit?

GL.