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Author Topic: Reactive power - Reactive Generator research from GotoLuc - discussion thread  (Read 268274 times)

Offline gotoluc

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Hi DJ,

my tests have had no success using an Inverter. In fact I burnt one. The problem is when a circuit is 90 out of phase the power that goes one way comes back out the other way and the Inverter is not able to do anything with that returned power. It probably just short out in the inverter and will fry the mosfet's.

Luc


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Offline tinman

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Wait just a minute here-were not done yet
Luc-you might need to go back to your genny setup.This was all about drawing power without the genny seeing any load-was it not?. Well please take a look at the circuit I posted.I am now up to 18watts, with no reflected load on the genny.

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I have just made a document on what I call "Meta Quantities" that can be found at my google site https://sites.google.com/site/nilrehob/home/documents that might give some new ideas on "Reactive Power" and also on what I call "Reactive Impulse".

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Offline tim123

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I have just made a document on what I call "Meta Quantities" that can be found at my google site https://sites.google.com/site/nilrehob/home/documents that might give some new ideas on "Reactive Power" and also on what I call "Reactive Impulse".

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Hi Hob,
  impressive stuff!

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33. Momentarily inserting a battery to be charged in a LC-tank just when the current is max and the voltage is zero is using the “reactive impulse”.

Isn't there a problem with this approach - i.e. that the voltage is at zero for an infinitesimally short time...? Surely, any impulse would have to span the zero point - rather than actually being on it...?

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Having a voltage close at zero and trying to only use the current is the whole point.
"Dont kill the dipole" :)

But ok, I'll rephrase that in the next version of the document.

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Offline d3x0r

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So as a thought expansion...


the capacitor on the hot side is an inverter.  The voltage on the opposite side of the cap will be inverted from the line.  This will happen at a slight lag depending on the size of the capacitor to fill; voltage supply is a voltage, and with 0 ohms of resistance to the capacitor, it will move a lot of current at very low voltage to displace the electrons available. 


The load is another delay on the current from common/ground... since a resistance of significant value 10-100ohms will require a lot of voltage on the capacitor (which is already charged electrostatically) and will start to satisfy the cap... displacing current on the other side also; but out of phase with the voltage input...


so by the time you get the the CSR that current really doesn't have anything to do with that input voltage.
Another CSR on the hot side would measure actual power to and from the AC...


think somehow this is a case of comparing apples and oranges....


some notes on the scribbles below;
purple is the voltage; which is a limit on amps too
orange is the voltage on the other side of the capacitor
green/blue is the voltage on the csr
upper right composite denotes where lags happen...

Offline d3x0r

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As the scenario continues, the electrostatic exchange will happen at BDC and TDC, right when the diriving field changes from push to pull... but then the whole rest of the pulling phase is delayed until that capacitance has a driving voltage.... until it crosses the zero for voltage again... so the current is delayed more on later cycles than the first cycle.


which I guess is why there's so many spikes at the top and bottom of power...

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Offline poynt99

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That works better!... so it must be out of calibration on ch 1 & 2

Thanks for the good idea

Luc
Luc,

10.2 to 10.6; in terms of the difference, unfortunately that isn't an improvement over your other results with CH1 and CH2. My guess is it's most likely caused by an inherent limitation in the specs of the scope.


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a bit difficult to digest but interesting

http://gestaltreality.com/downloads/Symbolic%20Representation%20of%20the%20Generalized%20Electric%20Wave%20-%20Eric%20Dollard%20-%20New%20and%20Remade.pdf

http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/lmdtem.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=6BnCUBKgnnc#t=2625
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http://www.energeticforum.com/eric-dollard-official-forum/1631-peter-whatever-happened-eric-p-dollard-41.html#post185949
Not exactly reactive power...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DmAyYhnRgc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7oPv4cPzJk


Personally I found at resonance, that the network was a 10x multiplier... but one cell was as good as 4 or 6... I did not have extreme increases, or even step increases in the network; it is possible that because the coils weren't EXACTLY the same and the capacitances weren't EXACTLY the same that it reduced the effective performance... but then my results agreed with simulations of the same so I didn't worry too much...


(steinmetz book)
http://drive.google.com/file/d/0B812EYiKwtkka1Y0aGdrejNZeTg
(dollard 4 quandrant theory newer book)
http://drive.google.com/file/d/0B812EYiKwtkkS0R3Vzd3TkRMOWs

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Wait just a minute here-were not done yet
Luc-you might need to go back to your genny setup.This was all about drawing power without the genny seeing any load-was it not?. Well please take a look at the circuit I posted.I am now up to 18watts, with no reflected load on the genny.

Hi TinMan,

I didn't give up!... yesterday after testing all the different circuits with the correct scope settings, I came to realize I was too quick to accept the MOT is not needed.
When I retested the series cap circuit using one of the better of two 220v MOT's I brought back from South Africa, I could see a positive effect only when the MOT was present.

I really needed the scope readings to be correct to pinpoint the difference.

I like what you've done with the Alternator exciter coil and gen coil. I was thinking last night of your new circuit when I saw my supply wires heat up when the MOT tuned just right and thought we need each leg of the supply to be maybe 45 degrees out of phase with each other so when the cap discharges it won't be wasted in the supply lines. I think this is what you're doing with your 2 phases?

This may also explain why the Valy looped gen had a 3 phase Alternator.
I think the steel box on top that he said was the secret could possibly be a welder transformer between the Gen and prime mover. If you look at his last video you can see the metal box looks just like a welder. He also had a welder on the side which could be the same idea but for loads connected to the gen.

If you can get your hands on a 3 phase alternator I think it would work even better then the 2 phase alternator you have created. You would have a spare phase for loads.

Thanks for sharing

Luc

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I have just made a document on the RC-circuit.
It can be found at my google site https://sites.google.com/site/nilrehob/home/documents .
The document needs peer-reviewing so please go ahead and find any errors if You are interested.

/Hob

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For who owns or has a TEK scope, or who is just interested in the ABC of the scope. I was browsing through my 'free energy' files and found a backup of a website (it is not an open website, so you can only see the files if you know the location). I will not have Google or any bot index it, so you must put 1 and 2 together yourself.
1: http://purco.qc.ca/
2: ftp/Learning%20Electronics/scopes/

I know, there is a lot more there, but it is all old stuff (2009 and older).

.99: even some of your files are there at 2:  ftp/Overunity.com%20-%20Forum%20members/poynt99 about TPU's in 2008

I found this website merely by following the source of a picture from a website (long ago, 2009), so don't shoot the messenger!
Also, please do not discuss what you find there, unless it is related to this topic. Some threads tend to grow without having useful (project related) information in them.

Offline poynt99

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The second link doesn't seem to work.

Just curious what is there.

 

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