Reactive power - Reactive Generator research from GotoLuc - discussion thread

[sinergicus]

Capacitance lowers Induction motor Amp draw by 80%
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63tX67HnwGw

If you go to the part 2 and 3  videos  you will see diagrams and explanations..

Seems this guy  was used capoacitors in paralel not in series....

[gotoluc]

OK,

You have the 4 unknown/hidden components connected in a circuit in front of you, and all you have to do is place your meter probes across each one and write down the voltage, including if the meter reading is "+" or if it is "-". Are you with me so far?

Sorry, done for the day. I'm on my way out to a New Year eve thing.

Happy New Year to all

Luc

[poynt99]

Ditto, Happy New Year to all.

Have a good time Luc.

btw, I think you're only a few baby steps away from understanding.

[Farmhand]

Dear Farmhand,

are you reading my posts?... if so, then you are avoiding to explain what I ask you to explain and just ranting about this or that and all this is not real.

No one is forcing you to accept anything, so believe what you want. I have never made any claims of OU, so why have you been writing that in your posts.

Move on mate if this is not for you. One more unproductive post of this kind and you will be blocked from this topic.

Luc

Dear Luc,

Well if you are not claiming any extra energy then what exactly are you claiming ?

Might be handy if you explain what advantage it is that you see to doing this.

And your thread got locked, this is not your thread. If you are the moderator of this thread I want nothing to do with it anyway.

Tinman, I can't explain what I haven't seen. How much is the load and how big is the generator ?  I would guess that as soon as you start the generator there is fuel being used due to some drag from the generator head, maybe it is possible that there is some load but you just cannot notice it. I'll bet any money that if you power the load at 0.0 power factor for long enough the generator will run out of fuel. This is my point, would you run your generator 24/7 so the next door neighbor can draw a load at power factor 0.0 and not pay anything to you ? That is considering if you do not know the neighbor or have any friendship with them to cause you to want to do it.

With our 6 kVA generator a small load is not even noticed. And I was surprised how much power it generates and for how long a time on a tank of fuel, but it makes one hell of a noise. 

As long as the petrol station has fuel it is very useful for when the grid goes down. It doesn't cost all that much to power the house with it for a day. But I would not like to pay to run it 24/7 even at idle. It is still in almost brand new condition because we don't use it much, but it will wear out and require maintenance as well after some use.

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[tinman]

Dear Luc,

Well if you are not claiming any extra energy then what exactly are you claiming ?

Might be handy if you explain what advantage it is that you see to doing this.

And your thread got locked, this is not your thread. If you are the moderator of this thread I want nothing to do with it anyway.

Tinman, I can't explain what I haven't seen. How much is the load and how big is the generator ?  I would guess that as soon as you start the generator there is fuel being used due to some drag from the generator head, maybe it is possible that there is some load but you just cannot notice it. I'll bet any money that if you power the load at 0.0 power factor for long enough the generator will run out of fuel. This is my point, would you run your generator 24/7 so the next door neighbor can draw a load at power factor 0.0 and not pay anything to you ? That is considering if you do not know the neighbor or have any friendship with them to cause you to want to do it.

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Farmhand
Im not claiming that there will be no load,infact im saying the opposite.Disregarding normal friction load,these generators place a load on the prime mover even befor any power is drawn from the generator. My point of the experiment is to show where this load is,and how you can draw from this load without it effecting the prime mover. This will also show why Luc sees no reflection on the prime mover when he places a load on the generator through his reactive circuit-no matter what that circuit may be. Infact there is no need for any type of reactive circuit at all to be able to draw power from the generator,without it showing or reflectiong on the prime mover.

This ofcourse all depends on my theory being correct-and i have been wrong many times befor. But it is the only answer i have for what Luc's original generator setup show's. So now we just have to build it and see.

[Farmhand]

OH I see, gotcha drift now. Yes I would say a small load probably could be drawn without extra loading on the motor.

Go well

[alex]

I'm with you, Farmhand. Stay firm.
They can fool scope, but not the counter on the wall.
Look at the last video at the end, by frame (split of second) - battery went way down when load switched off compare as it was before the start, and meter shows the steady reading while running.
If it would be there any gain (or even consumption), meter will show the RAISE voltage on the battery after load went off.
Anyway,  time will show the truth. To me it's wrong. Misleading.
No offense, Luc, just thoughts loud out.

[Cap-Z-ro]

If this is actually wrong, it will be proven out in the end...ON ITS OWN MERIT !!!

All you nay sayers and nit pickers are doing it littering the langscape with endless drivel...effectively drowing out ant meaningful discussion and free exchange of ideas.

Is that your intention ?

I asked on another popular thread here that this activity cease...apparently some people cannot help themselves - OR  they are paid distractors.

Which are you ?

Nevertheless...stop !!!...sit back and watch...and keep your hands  off the keypad, and stay the hell out of the way...like myself and all the other people not currently at the bench.

If not, be prepared...I can get right down to it on a personal level, by disecting your personality and motives here.

I will not stand by a watch as you try to overwhelm and run off Luc with your negative crap, as you have systematically to other enthusiastic contributors who have left because of YOU !!!

Otherwise...a Happy New Year to all the real people here.

Regards...

[Farmhand]

Cap-Z-ro, Just how pray tell would anything be shown to be a mistake if no one investigates exactly what is going on and it is fully explained ?

Don't worry I'll show some bench video when and if I am good and ready. This is a discussion forum. I do experiments. I've been very unwell and unable to do anything much at all but I am recovering.

I am subject to moderation. Don't get ya knickers in a knot over me. I heeded Luc's request as far as I am concerned. And will continue to do so. As far as I am concerned I am discussing possibilities. And also responding.

I respect your right to say what you think but I do not have to agree.

Why not make some more personal attacks and say what you really think ?

I am unaffected by your personal opinion of people looking at possibilities to explore in order to better explain what is seen.

I'm posting because I'm interested in finding truth. If the arrangement is able to harness extra energy it needs to be explained. If not but there is a benefit then it ought to be shown what that benefit is and how it occurs.

Regards

P.S. If Luc likes I will remove the offending post or text, or he can but I will not remove any valid questions or my opinions/thoughts on topic. And since I see that Luc is the moderator, I will take no further part in this thread. I can always start my own discussion to get free speech.

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[poynt99]

Capz,

Analyze this if you wish:

If someone were to post a claim that they've discovered the average of -6 and +5 is -11, and you took the time to correct them and show them why they are wrong, would you be considered a naysayer, or a teacher?

 

[alex]

"If this is actually wrong, it will be proven out in the end...ON ITS OWN MERIT !!!"
Yes, and  that's what i did. And it's your turn now to see where it went wrong. I do not care.

And here's your answer -  "I'm posting because I'm interested in finding the truth".
No matter what do you THINK.

[Cap-Z-ro]

Quote Farmhand:
" Cap-Z-ro, Just how pray tell would anything be shown to be a mistake if no one investigates exactly what is going on and it is fully explained ? 


Like I said, show a video demonstratingf your position...as Luc has done - else stop interfering weith the natural flow of ideas.


" Don't worry I'll show some bench video when and if I am good and ready. This is a discussion forum. I do experiments. I've been very unwell and unable to do anything much at all but I am recovering. "


I look forward to anything offered in the spirit of education the field.


Quote poynt99:
" If someone were to post a claim that they've discovered the average of -6 and +5 is -11, and you took the time to correct them and show them why they are wrong, would you be considered a naysayer, or a teacher? "


I would not waste my time with that learning curve...especially incessantly.


Quote alex:
" I'm posting because I'm interested in finding the truth".
No matter what do you THINK. "


Just so long that is your pursuit here, you will not I'm sorry if you saw yoyrself portrayed in my wordseven know I'm here...unless I have something worthwhile to contribute

I'm sorry if you saw yourself portrayed in my words - they were not directed at you personally...unless of course they apply.

Regards...

[tinman]

Quote Farmhand:
" Cap-Z-ro, Just how pray tell would anything be shown to be a mistake if no one investigates exactly what is going on and it is fully explained ? 


Like I said, show a video demonstratingf your position...as Luc has done - else stop interfering weith the natural flow of ideas.


" Don't worry I'll show some bench video when and if I am good and ready. This is a discussion forum. I do experiments. I've been very unwell and unable to do anything much at all but I am recovering. "


I look forward to anything offered in the spirit of education the field.


Quote poynt99:
" If someone were to post a claim that they've discovered the average of -6 and +5 is -11, and you took the time to correct them and show them why they are wrong, would you be considered a naysayer, or a teacher? "


I would not waste my time with that learning curve...especially incessantly.


Quote alex:
" I'm posting because I'm interested in finding the truth".
No matter what do you THINK. "


Just so long that is your pursuit here, you will not I'm sorry if you saw yoyrself portrayed in my wordseven know I'm here...unless I have something worthwhile to contribute

I'm sorry if you saw yourself portrayed in my words - they were not directed at you personally...unless of course they apply.

Regards...

I would agree Cap-Z-ro about the talkers. But most here that are saying Luc is missing something,are avid experimenters-not just talkers. You only have to view there youtube channel to see that-and this includes myself. The only true way to discover the answers ,is to build the device and test it. But everything within that device needs to be understood-not just input's and output's,but the hidden power sources.There is one of these hidden power sources within the generator of Luc's first setup.But i always build and test befor i come to a final conclusion,as stated in my last post.

Quote: This ofcourse all depends on my theory being correct-and i have been wrong many times befor. But it is the only answer i have for what Luc's original generator setup show's. So now we just have to build it and see.

True experimenting lies in the ability to fully understand your own device.

[poynt99]

I would not waste my time with that learning curve...especially incessantly.

You should have a little more faith in the ability of others to learn. And stick around capz, it would appear you have something to learn here too.

[tinman]

So after a trip to the farm,we now have what we need to build Luc's first setup.

@ Poynt.
Was not the answers i gave in regards to your circuit you posted correct. Looking at the answers i gave,shows what you said about moving the DVM leads. Luc also said that he would do it like this aswell,if we were to stay polarity correct-in accordance with your test circuit being DC.

Below the gen head and prime mover.