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Author Topic: Self accelerating reed switch magnet spinner.  (Read 187682 times)

Offline synchro1

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Re: Self accelerating reed switch magnet spinner.
« Reply #510 on: January 22, 2014, 01:23:01 AM »
Synchro1:

That Igor clip unfortunately is a total bust.  No self running visible.  He thinks that the current is reversing and that's not the case.  It's a really bad mistake.  The LED lights up.  So either he has it backwards in his schematic or the LED really does light up when it gets a "coil fry" when the coil pushes current through the reversed-biased LED.  There is no battery recharging at all during the cycle, only discharging.

If you link to a clip that shows a serious attempt to show OU I will let you know.  That means they have to make real measurements, not just play "show and tell."

MileHigh


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Re: Self accelerating reed switch magnet spinner.
« Reply #510 on: January 22, 2014, 01:23:01 AM »

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Re: Self accelerating reed switch magnet spinner.
« Reply #511 on: January 22, 2014, 01:37:52 AM »

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Re: Self accelerating reed switch magnet spinner.
« Reply #512 on: January 22, 2014, 02:01:55 AM »
Attack of the Know-it-Alls!  lol

http://www.imdb.com/video/screenplay/vi179831065/?ref_=tt_ov_vi


@Milehigh,


This video's not available in my country.


Current can only flow in one direction through an LED from anode to cathode. You'll notice that Igor has the cathode, or negative pole of the LED connected to the positive pole of his battery. Power can only flow in one direction here, from the coil into the battery, from the coil's back spike. Igor maintains he ran the spinner for six hours with no drop in input battery voltage. I guarantee you the battery voltage would go down noticeably if he disconnected the LED from the battery!


Take a look at his charge video:


How do explain the reading on his multi meter showing a charge increase on the charge battery if no current gets past the diode? That's just absurd to pretend the charge is imaginary!!

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Re: Self accelerating reed switch magnet spinner.
« Reply #512 on: January 22, 2014, 02:01:55 AM »
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Re: Self accelerating reed switch magnet spinner.
« Reply #513 on: January 22, 2014, 02:14:09 AM »
Synchro no current is measured in that video so no input/output power figures are known or shown, therefore no conclusion can be based on that. Atteh end he shows the output from one motor is just enough to run the other motor but there is no charging of the battery. No OU there.

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Re: Self accelerating reed switch magnet spinner.
« Reply #514 on: January 22, 2014, 03:05:13 AM »



Current can only flow in one direction through an LED from anode to cathode. You'll notice that Igor has the cathode, or negative pole of the LED connected to the positive pole of his battery. Power can only flow in one direction here, from the coil into the battery, from the coil's back spike. Igor maintains he ran the spinner for six hours with no drop in input battery voltage. I guarantee you the battery voltage would go down noticeably if he disconnected the LED from the battery!




I have found similarly that coil field collapse can happen in forward direction 'or' backwards.

From what is known, when we switch on dc to a coil then switch off, the field collapse causes more forward current from the coil. But what I had found a couple years ago was that if there is no where for that forward collapse current to go in the forward direction, then the field collapse charges the coils self capacitance to peak, and that stored voltage bounces back through the coil causing a reverse current and field.

I call it field collapse because Back/Reverse emf doesnt really apply during initial field collapse because the resulting current is forward and has nothing to do with a field collapsing on the coil that made it. BEMF has everything to do with impedance of a coil. The gradual field building of an inductor is due to Reverse emf due to currents building in the coils windings, which all the windings are inducing all the others at the same time and the induced windings want to push current in the opposite direction.

The only thing I can figure about how coils do what they do is because of resistance. Due to resistance, the voltage/current applied to the coil will always supercede the back/reverse emf and the input will eventually win the battle of fighting the bemf till the bemf does not exist and current from the input gets to its maximum due to resistance.

Soo, if the coil were super conducting, zero resistance, I believe the coil would not pass current at all as the bemf should be equal to the input, like the magnet floating on a super cooled super conductor.

I see Igor is using a single cell battery voltage of 1.3v.  That is key to what he is doing. If the input is higher, then there is a chance that the voltage potential developed by the coil collapse could be high enough to breach the gap in the read switch(spark). Reeds are pretty good at fast switching mechanically. Quick to close and open the distance between contacts. So the quicker the reed springs to its fully open position, the less chance of the collapse current from jumping the contacts.

On can easily get higher than input voltages from a coil collapse into a cap using a diode, WITH THE DIODE IN EITHER DIRECTION.   ;D   In one direction, when the reed is closed sending power to the coil, the diode does not conduct until the coil collapse. With the diode in the other direction, source current does flow to the cap and coil, but when the coil collapses, the cap gets just about as much HV as it did with the diode the traditional way.  This was when I discovered that the collapse can develop currents in either direction, depending on a way out for those currents. If there is no way out, then the collapse currents will die off within the coil in the form of oscillation within the coils LC. This isolated oscillation within the coil is at its resonant freq, whether it be 4mhz or 100hz depending on the coil and its self capacitance.


Possibly this is what Tesla switching is all about. Using a high speed rotor, the closing of the contacts, then the opening and creating distance very quickly and collapse currents dont have a chance to breach the gap. Just thoughts.


Mags


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Re: Self accelerating reed switch magnet spinner.
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Re: Self accelerating reed switch magnet spinner.
« Reply #515 on: January 22, 2014, 05:12:36 PM »

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Re: Self accelerating reed switch magnet spinner.
« Reply #516 on: January 22, 2014, 05:31:04 PM »
The current in this video travels through the LED to charge the capacitor, it dosen't "Dead End" there like MH implies: The opposite field change from the inductor collapse is graphically depicted at 5:20 in the video.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vu9WDjBAho


"The inductor changes the directions of electrons, the capacitor does not. Lets say the capacitor has just given all its energy to the inductor and it is the positive peck. Now the inductor has the energy and now the magnetic field starts to collapse, the electrons change in direction, but the potential is still positive for awhile but it is going negative.

At the positive peck and the negative peck is when collapsing magnetic changes the electron flow, not the potential right away. It is like pumping water up hill through a pipe into a tank. Then the water is allowed to run out of the tank back though the pipe in the opposite direction. It takes awhile for the energy in the tank to change (potential), but the water (electrons) changed direction right away. And that is why it is call a Tank Circuit".

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Re: Self accelerating reed switch magnet spinner.
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Re: Self accelerating reed switch magnet spinner.
« Reply #517 on: January 22, 2014, 06:10:22 PM »
I suggested to Conradelektro that he try and build this simple reed switch bemf feedback to source spinner to test my "Synchro coil". I plan to try it when I get home. The idea includes a bifilar power coil with one loop for output in series with a second fast switching diode and electrolytic capacitor, and of course a stack of coupled diametric magnets inserted into the coil core for the additional Lenz free "Magnet pumping" type power.

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Re: Self accelerating reed switch magnet spinner.
« Reply #518 on: January 23, 2014, 01:21:59 AM »
I have found similarly that coil field collapse can happen in forward direction 'or' backwards.

From what is known, when we switch on dc to a coil then switch off, the field collapse causes more forward current from the coil. But what I had found a couple years ago was that if there is no where for that forward collapse current to go in the forward direction, then the field collapse charges the coils self capacitance to peak, and that stored voltage bounces back through the coil causing a reverse current and field.

I call it field collapse because Back/Reverse emf doesnt really apply during initial field collapse because the resulting current is forward and has nothing to do with a field collapsing on the coil that made it. BEMF has everything to do with impedance of a coil. The gradual field building of an inductor is due to Reverse emf due to currents building in the coils windings, which all the windings are inducing all the others at the same time and the induced windings want to push current in the opposite direction.

The only thing I can figure about how coils do what they do is because of resistance. Due to resistance, the voltage/current applied to the coil will always supercede the back/reverse emf and the input will eventually win the battle of fighting the bemf till the bemf does not exist and current from the input gets to its maximum due to resistance.

Soo, if the coil were super conducting, zero resistance, I believe the coil would not pass current at all as the bemf should be equal to the input, like the magnet floating on a super cooled super conductor.

I see Igor is using a single cell battery voltage of 1.3v.  That is key to what he is doing. If the input is higher, then there is a chance that the voltage potential developed by the coil collapse could be high enough to breach the gap in the read switch(spark). Reeds are pretty good at fast switching mechanically. Quick to close and open the distance between contacts. So the quicker the reed springs to its fully open position, the less chance of the collapse current from jumping the contacts.

On can easily get higher than input voltages from a coil collapse into a cap using a diode, WITH THE DIODE IN EITHER DIRECTION.   ;D   In one direction, when the reed is closed sending power to the coil, the diode does not conduct until the coil collapse. With the diode in the other direction, source current does flow to the cap and coil, but when the coil collapses, the cap gets just about as much HV as it did with the diode the traditional way.  This was when I discovered that the collapse can develop currents in either direction, depending on a way out for those currents. If there is no way out, then the collapse currents will die off within the coil in the form of oscillation within the coils LC. This isolated oscillation within the coil is at its resonant freq, whether it be 4mhz or 100hz depending on the coil and its self capacitance.


Possibly this is what Tesla switching is all about. Using a high speed rotor, the closing of the contacts, then the opening and creating distance very quickly and collapse currents dont have a chance to breach the gap. Just thoughts.


Mags


Your really kind buddy  :) ;)

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Re: Self accelerating reed switch magnet spinner.
« Reply #518 on: January 23, 2014, 01:21:59 AM »
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Re: Self accelerating reed switch magnet spinner.
« Reply #519 on: January 23, 2014, 01:58:37 AM »
Synchro1:

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"The inductor changes the directions of electrons, the capacitor does not. Lets say the capacitor has just given all its energy to the inductor and it is the positive peck. Now the inductor has the energy and now the magnetic field starts to collapse, the electrons change in direction, but the potential is still positive for awhile but it is going negative.

The gentleman that makes those clips is very smart and really knows his electronics.  It's wonderful to see how he restores old radios.  So it's strange how in that clip he makes a very basic fundamental mistake.  He says when the capacitor in the LC tank circuit has discharged all its energy then all of the energy is in the inductor.  Then he says the inductor's magnetic field starts to collapse and the current changes direction.

The reality is that when the capacitor is fully discharged and the inductor is fully charged, yes the inductor starts to discharge, but the current does not reverse direction at this point.  The point in time where the capacitor is fully discharged is the point where the current flow though the inductor is at a maximum.  As the inductor starts to discharge the current flow keeps going in the same direction but the capacitor voltage changes direction.

It was just one of those funny moments where he made a mistake, but all in all the guy is great.

MileHigh

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Re: Self accelerating reed switch magnet spinner.
« Reply #520 on: January 23, 2014, 02:29:52 AM »

Your really kind buddy  :) ;)

Well, Im some kind. ;D Others are a different kind. :) But you tito, you are The Kind. ;)

Why Am I kind?

Mags

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Re: Self accelerating reed switch magnet spinner.
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Re: Self accelerating reed switch magnet spinner.
« Reply #521 on: January 23, 2014, 05:23:53 PM »
Well, Im some kind. ;D Others are a different kind. :) But you tito, you are The Kind. ;)

Why Am I kind?

Mags


Tito excels at enigmatic riddles.

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Re: Self accelerating reed switch magnet spinner.
« Reply #522 on: January 24, 2014, 12:34:13 AM »

Tito excels at enigmatic riddles.

Yeah but just because I did not get the riddle yet, and supposedly some have, yet to be shown, doesnt mean he doesnt have some real answers. Anything is possible.  I still look back through the tread and I did learn some things along the way. But havnt figured out what doomaflochy works with the hickymajig to realize any amplification yet. My problem is lately not having enough time. When I had most of my nights and weekends free, I was always doing more and always in a groove where I didnt have weeks at a time away from projects.

Mags

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Re: Self accelerating reed switch magnet spinner.
« Reply #523 on: January 24, 2014, 04:38:11 AM »
@Magluvin,

Partial quote from Mags:

"I see Igor is using a single cell battery voltage of 1.3v.  That is key to what he is doing".

I think maybe the fact that you implied that Igor might actually be doing something, may have been perceived as too kind from the balustrade of a skeptic.

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Re: Self accelerating reed switch magnet spinner.
« Reply #524 on: January 24, 2014, 05:03:48 AM »
Well, Im some kind. ;D Others are a different kind. :) But you tito, you are The Kind. ;)

Why Am I kind?

Mags


If others only new what you've wrote above, surely they will appreciate it.  :)


well, maybe we have different understanding about it. :-\

 

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