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Author Topic: New Rosemary Ainslie Demonstration Scheduled for Sunday, 4 August 2013  (Read 100870 times)

TinselKoala

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Re: New Rosemary Ainslie Demonstration Scheduled for Sunday, 4 August 2013
« Reply #105 on: August 11, 2013, 04:27:21 PM »
Quote from: markdansie on August 11, 2013, 04:21:13 PM
I announced it on my site yesterday and the link as soon as I got it. I did not realize I was the announcer
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I see the comment, but I don't see an announcement of the time. Should not Ainslie have announced the demo link and TIME here and in her forum, perhaps? That is, if she really wanted people to watch?

You aren't the announcer, you are just providing your name for her to use. "Mark Dansie saw the presentation" etc.
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TinselKoala

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Re: New Rosemary Ainslie Demonstration Scheduled for Sunday, 4 August 2013
« Reply #106 on: August 11, 2013, 04:31:52 PM »
Almost 25 minutes doing what they should have done before starting, simply setting up, so far..... and more demonstrations of incompetence on the oscilloscope.

The schematic in Paper 1 WAS NEVER USED as claimed in the papers. The Black FG lead was NEVER located in any of Ainslie's tests in the location given in the schematic, it was ALWAYS at the common circuit ground.

Ainslie has forgotten to bring the list of saved scope setups.

The camera work is as incompetent as ever and Donovan Martin mumbles and does not speak clearly.

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TinselKoala

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Re: New Rosemary Ainslie Demonstration Scheduled for Sunday, 4 August 2013
« Reply #107 on: August 11, 2013, 04:40:34 PM »
I will reiterate here:

The most important things for independent researchers to know is THE OPEN CIRCUIT FG SETTINGS, the positive and negative voltages, the frequency and duty cycle.

This is listed in the protocol as the very last thing, item 5... and apparently this was not done yesterday at all.

IT MUST BE DONE AND REPORTED and it should be determined as soon as the claimants decide they have the settings they want to use. PLEASE !!
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TinselKoala

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Re: New Rosemary Ainslie Demonstration Scheduled for Sunday, 4 August 2013
« Reply #108 on: August 11, 2013, 04:47:13 PM »
So more minutes of no action looking at meaningless scope display, while they fumble about and can't figure out how to set up for a simple measurement.
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TinselKoala

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Re: New Rosemary Ainslie Demonstration Scheduled for Sunday, 4 August 2013
« Reply #109 on: August 11, 2013, 04:54:44 PM »
THERE IS ONLY ONE WAY TO ASSURE THE FG SETTINGS AND THAT IS TO MEASURE THEM !!!!!!!
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TinselKoala

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Re: New Rosemary Ainslie Demonstration Scheduled for Sunday, 4 August 2013
« Reply #110 on: August 11, 2013, 04:57:14 PM »
WILL YOU PLEASE PERFORM THE OPEN CIRCUIT FG MEASUREMENT, and then LEAVE THE SETTINGS ALONE !!!!
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TinselKoala

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Re: New Rosemary Ainslie Demonstration Scheduled for Sunday, 4 August 2013
« Reply #111 on: August 11, 2013, 05:00:35 PM »
This is insane. You do not know the FG settings, you do NOT know the contribution of the FG since the settings have been changed to some unknown value!

You need to do what is listed in the Protocol document, with the exception that the FG open circuit settings must be measured at the beginning, recorded and reported, and then locked down!!! This is BASIC experimental technique!

Without knowing the precise FG settings and the power contribution, the rest of the "demonstration" is essentially useless. Especially if you call the thing off and don't even wind up making the open-circuit measurement, as you apparently did yesterday.

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TinselKoala

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Re: New Rosemary Ainslie Demonstration Scheduled for Sunday, 4 August 2013
« Reply #112 on: August 11, 2013, 05:11:18 PM »
"I can see the meter, don't move the camera away.. WHY Are you moving the camera away?...."

Because they are incompetent and can't even follow directions as well as an eighth-grader might.
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Re: New Rosemary Ainslie Demonstration Scheduled for Sunday, 4 August 2013
« Reply #113 on: August 11, 2013, 05:13:51 PM »
DO NOT FORGET PHASE 5. If you go through all this and fail to make the opencircuit FG measurement.... then all of this is USELESS.
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TinselKoala

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Re: New Rosemary Ainslie Demonstration Scheduled for Sunday, 4 August 2013
« Reply #114 on: August 11, 2013, 05:17:32 PM »
The readings you get are strongly dependent on the FG OFFSET and THIS MUST BE KNOWN from an open circuit measurement!!!!!!!

It takes two minutes!

NOOOOOOOOOOO.........
You've cut off the demo without the MOST IMPORTANT PIECE OF DATA !!!!!!!!!


I am astounded. You lot should be ashamed. YOU DID NOT FOLLOW YOUR OWN PUBLISHED PROTOCOLS IN EITHER YESTERDAY OR TODAY.

WE STILL DO NOT KNOW THE FG OPEN CIRCUIT SETTINGS OR THE POWER CONTRIBUTION OF THE FG.


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Re: New Rosemary Ainslie Demonstration Scheduled for Sunday, 4 August 2013
« Reply #115 on: August 11, 2013, 06:27:40 PM »
TK,

After the demo went offline, I had them do an OC FG measurement with the scope:

The FG was set to -15V and +3V, with a 20% duty cycle. Frequency was 1kHz.
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Re: New Rosemary Ainslie Demonstration Scheduled for Sunday, 4 August 2013
« Reply #116 on: August 11, 2013, 06:31:55 PM »
A brief summary of the final demo today:

Phase 1 Pbat (at board) = -114.8W

Phase 2 (FG) power ~ 0.3W

Phase 3 Pbat (at batteries) ~ +15W

Power dissipated at RL ( ~20ºC rise from old data) ~ 2.5W
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TinselKoala

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Re: New Rosemary Ainslie Demonstration Scheduled for Sunday, 4 August 2013
« Reply #117 on: August 11, 2013, 07:02:49 PM »
Quote from: poynt99 on August 11, 2013, 06:27:40 PM
TK,

After the demo went offline, I had them do an OC FG measurement with the scope:

The FG was set to -15V and +3V, with a 20% duty cycle. Frequency was 1kHz.

Thank you. You will note that this is the very first time, in all the years, that Ainslie's precise FG opencircuit output voltages have been posted.
Even if they are only precise to the volt. Personally I might have measured them to milliVolt precision and stated them at the beginning ... but then I'm not making OU claims.

Are these the precise values used for the power determinations? What about that last scope shot visible in the Live Demo just before Ainslie pulled the plug.... have you ever seen anything like that in a correctly wired circuit?

Is this supposed to represent the current in the FG's cvr?
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Re: New Rosemary Ainslie Demonstration Scheduled for Sunday, 4 August 2013
« Reply #118 on: August 11, 2013, 07:05:11 PM »
Disregard that last scope shot; After the demo was declared officially over, Donovan was moving scope probes around in some unknown fashion, as they were trying to recreate a condition they had observed prior to the start of the demo.
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TinselKoala

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Re: New Rosemary Ainslie Demonstration Scheduled for Sunday, 4 August 2013
« Reply #119 on: August 11, 2013, 07:17:54 PM »
Quote from: poynt99 on August 11, 2013, 07:05:11 PM
Disregard that last scope shot; After the demo was declared officially over, Donovan was moving scope probes around in some unknown fashion, as they were trying to recreate a condition they had observed prior to the start of the demo.

OK, fine.

Is it really necessary for me to "poynt" out that, had they actually measured the open circuit FG settings instead of marking them on a bit of tape, they might have had more success in repeating their earlier "measurements"?

Now I've got SWeir's friend Joshs on my case because he thinks I'm not sufficiently grateful, I guess. But if "debunks" have as many holes in them as the "bunk" does in the first place, what good are they?

The protocols were discussed and agreed upon. You got attempted feedback from me, or should have, that the Phase 5 FG settings should have been done asap. Yet the public demo was stopped and cut off before the agreed upon protocol was completed, the FG settings were changed and there is no clear idea of just what the FG settings were that produced the "fail" power measurements.

This may be "sufficient" to show Ainslie wrong, the exact FG settings may be a trivial detail, but to omit them is _not scientific_ or good practice.
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