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Author Topic: New Rosemary Ainslie Demonstration Scheduled for Sunday, 4 August 2013  (Read 100844 times)

poynt99

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Re: New Rosemary Ainslie Demonstration Scheduled for Sunday, 4 August 2013
« Reply #90 on: August 10, 2013, 11:51:40 PM »
Darren:

Good for you.  That is potentially good news.  As I have posted before, I admire your patience and the respect you have shown while dealing with these issues.  It appears that you just want to get to the truth of the matter...which is what everyone should want, including Rose, et al.

That is a plus for Rose that she will allow you (hopefully) to be involved in the dry run.  I guess TK being involved is out of the question, ha ha.  I know he will be watching closely.

Best of luck with this.

Bill

Thanks Bill.

Yes, I'm always most interested in the truth and often that involves good measurement practices.

I think we've all learned a great deal about electrical power measurements over the last few years, and if it wasn't for the Rosemary Ainslie's of the world, perhaps we would not be looking so deeply into what on the surface appear to be "trivial" measurements.

Rose has finally conceded that her measurements and her conclusions from the measurements were incorrect. I think she has also learned that the scope simply measures what you place between its probes, and that the measurement won't necessarily be the same when comparing a high frequency measurement at one location vs. another.

Hats off to Steve Weir, for his patience and his big effort in bringing this saga to a close. His approach to the situation allowed him to get further with Rose than any one of us have been able to, even though we have been presenting the exact same facts for over two years.

I have mixed emotions about the outcome; on one hand we finally have resolve to the debate and that makes me happy and relieved, but on the other hand I have a feeling that all the work, time and effort I put in towards this end will never be appreciated, in particular by Rose. It is frustrating knowing that this could have been resolved two years ago shortly after I discovered the actual circuit connections, the oscillation mechanism, the reason for the negative MEAN power computations, and finally how to obtain the correct Pbat power measurement.

And of course there are the TK's, MileHigh's, Picowatt's, Humbugger's et al who have also put in a great deal of time and effort, particularly TK. They too deserve credit for all their work and input.

Hopefully tomorrow will go ahead as planned (a little smoother perhaps), and all can bear witness to the "truth" regarding Rosemary's oscillator circuit and the controversy surrounding it.

Cheers,
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Re: New Rosemary Ainslie Demonstration Scheduled for Sunday, 4 August 2013
« Reply #91 on: August 11, 2013, 12:05:24 AM »
Quote from: Rosemary Ainslie
Guys

We have just completed a 'dry run' required by Steve Weir in advance of the demo for tomorrow.  We followed stringent protocols that are outlined in a file that has now, apparently, been put on the internet.  If not I'll see what I can do to get the file link posted here. 

The claim was made by Poynty that inductance on the battery was skewing our results and I refuted this.  SADLY he is RIGHT.  Far from being able to generate the required measurements - the advantage ENTIRELY falls away.  I am satisfied with the logic that Steve proposed for this proof.  And with the protocols required to prove this.  And again - WE HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO SIGNIFICANT BENEFITS - NOTWITHSTANDING our earlier measurements.  This saddens me - on one level - the more so as I now feel that I must start this quest from scratch.  But on another level I'm strangely relieved.  It's complex.  And over time I may be able to understand it better - myself.  One liberating aspect is that I will not need to devote any time trying to persuade our academics to take this research on board.  Which I anticipated would take up way more time than I'd be willing to forfeit. And which I felt was an obligation on my part - as I was somehow compelled to protect the evidence against the onslaught to which it was subjected.  I can now, perhaps - proceed with ONLY those tests that really do interest me.

I have never made this fact public - but I am blind as a bat - and TERRIFIED of all things electrical.  I am simply NOT equipped to be an experimentalist.  And my devotion to this over the years has been out of a somewhat tortured sense of obligation to protect - what appeared to me to be a truth.  Whether or not the thesis is correct is irrelevant.  The fact is that this test most certainly DOES NOT PROVE IT.  And it is courtesy the input of our Poynty Point that I was obliged to bring the evidence to close scrutiny.

To cut a long story short - here's the thing.  We'll be doing the demonstration tomorrow - simply to put it on record that there is NO aspect of that oscillation that ACTUALLY delivers a gain.  This to prevent ANYONE wasting their time in trying to find it here.   It is ENTIRELY due to the inductance on the circuit that this is measured.  There is some evidence that inductance ADDS to the heat measured over the resistor element - which is possibly counter intuitive.  But the amount added - certainly on our circuit - is NOT significant.  We MAY - in due course - run the battery drawn down tests to evaluate various benefits in a switching circuit.  But we will NOT be boring you all with updates - basically because I do NOT think that open source is the way to go.  Unless, of course, we can first prove those values with the same standard of stringent testing protocols that Steve Weir imposed.

So guys - sadly - this is INDEED my swansong - as it relates to this circuit.  We will now have to retract our claims and our papers - and admit that there are errors in measurement that have accounted for that apparent gain.  I admit defeat.  Notwithstanding which, I'm rather proud of the fight that I managed in the face of my many detractors.  While it's kept me from gainful employment it has compensated by offering an intense level of intellectual engagement which I relish.  And it's all added to my love of science which I regret that I discovered rather late in life.

Thank you to all my supporters - and, in a rather circuitous way - to my detractors.  I will be continuing my work on this blog.  But as it will be confined mostly to the thesis - and to work to prove that thesis - it is unlikely that I'll be engaging as many of you as before.  For those who want to watch it - the demo will be aired tomorrow.  But it is only going to prove what I've written here.  Not good news.  But very relevant.  And most importantly - that those who read here - don't waste their time on this circuit.  Sadly.

Kindest regards
Rosie

This is of course copied from Rose's forum 2013-08-10.
http://www.energy-shiftingparadigms.com/index.php/topic,2313.msg4846.html#msg4846

TinselKoala

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Re: New Rosemary Ainslie Demonstration Scheduled for Sunday, 4 August 2013
« Reply #92 on: August 11, 2013, 12:28:26 AM »
And what about Donovan Martin, the Electrical Engineer of the bunch? What had he to say about all of this, his name on her papers, the bogus data and conclusions published under his name?


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There is some evidence that inductance ADDS to the heat measured over the resistor element - which is possibly counter intuitive.

Claims without evidence, already. She cannot make a single entirely honest post, not even her "swansong".

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Notwithstanding which, I'm rather proud of the fight that I managed in the face of my many detractors.

She is actually PROUD of the fact that she "managed" to insult and disparage and lie about and ignore the solid factual information that her "detractors" have been telling her for, what, thirteen years now?  She is PROUD of this arrogant and willfully ignorant approach of hers, this utter beggaring of the Scientific Method, this amazing illustration of psychopathology on her part, she is rather PROUD of all this? The mind boggles.

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Re: New Rosemary Ainslie Demonstration Scheduled for Sunday, 4 August 2013
« Reply #93 on: August 11, 2013, 03:05:28 AM »
[size=78%]She is actually PROUD of the fact that she "managed" to insult and disparage and lie about and ignore the solid factual information that her "detractors" have been telling her for, what, thirteen years now?  She is PROUD of this arrogant and willfully ignorant approach of hers, this utter beggaring of the Scientific Method, this amazing illustration of psychopathology on her part, she is rather PROUD of all this? The mind boggles.[/size]


The mind should not boggle:


The book on Ainslie, crying for attention anywhere that she could find it, was always about nothing more than a sick, diseased, clinically insane, pathologically deluded woman, with an infested mind totally out of touch with reality ..and everyone knew it. That will continue to be the case, and will never change without professional help.


Along with her inexcusably deceitful, vicious, hateful personality,
may this piece of shit continue to rot in her own hell.

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Re: New Rosemary Ainslie Demonstration Scheduled for Sunday, 4 August 2013
« Reply #94 on: August 11, 2013, 03:10:58 AM »
I will dedicate this quote to TinselKoala and PicoWatt in consideration of all of the vicious and ugly abuse that they took from Rosemary:

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As we also believe that those assumptions are now DISPROVED - NULL AND VOID - of NO FORCE AND EFFECT.  Correctly they will be moved into our archives and their only relevance will be as a blip in the progress of our understanding - and that they can now gather dust and be largely IGNORED.
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That's Rosemary speaking and it ended up that she was speaking about her own proposition.

When you try to discuss rational science and evaluate things on their face value using common sense and knowledge you can get mercilessly bashed and humiliated by people with less knowledge and less experience and many nonsensical voodoo preconceptions about electronics and energy and related matters.

I myself and many others including Poynt took a lot of flack from Rosemary.  I have been subject to vicious attacks on this very forum for expressing my opinion and trying to share some knowledge and do what I believe is good.

Will this "cycle of idiocy" ever stop?  I don't know the answer to that.  All that I can say is you should stand up for what you believe is right to prevent the collective dumbing-down of society and you should do it without maliciously attacking your fellow man.

Look at the case of Chuck Pierce on PESN and his idiotic motor-generator-connected-to-the-motor.  It another example of stupidity trying to take root and steal money from ignorant and gullible people.  Very few people are willing to look at the situation and state their opinions.  You would be horrified if you found out that the "doctor" that you were sending your children to had a fake PhD.  But then a Joe Blow like Chuck Pierce comes along and claims that he has a PhD in "Thermonuclear Reactors" (sic) from a now-defunct university that didn't even have any science programs and almost nobody says anything.

The message is two-fold:  Wake up and try to learn about the subject matter that you are interested in.  Don't viciously and maliciously attack people with more knowledge and experience than yourself.  Instead, respect them for the hard work they did going to school and/or by educating themselves and try to learn something from them.

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Re: New Rosemary Ainslie Demonstration Scheduled for Sunday, 4 August 2013
« Reply #95 on: August 11, 2013, 03:57:28 AM »
On a positive note I would like to thank Poynt, TK, PicoWatt, the "new guy" Steve Weir, and I am sure there are many others unnamed, for the considerable efforts that they put into analyzing the various switching circuits put forth by Rosemary.  I learned a lot in the process and I respect their dedication in following up on this all the way to it's proper and truthful conclusion.  We are literally talking about years of work adding up to thousands and thousands of hours.  The mind boggles if you were to calculate the equivalent dollar sum in consulting fees.

It was all done for free by good people that have altruistic motivations and they are to be congratulated.

MileHigh

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Re: New Rosemary Ainslie Demonstration Scheduled for Sunday, 4 August 2013
« Reply #96 on: August 11, 2013, 04:21:48 AM »


It was all done for free by good people that have altruistic motivations and they are to be congratulated.

MileHigh

Here Here!  I agree 100%.   Nice job fellows.

I can't wait to see what cool devices TK now comes up with since he no longer has to waste his time on this bogus "science".

Bill

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Re: New Rosemary Ainslie Demonstration Scheduled for Sunday, 4 August 2013
« Reply #97 on: August 11, 2013, 08:59:27 AM »
I would like to reflect MH and Bills thank you to everyone. My intention has always been in everyone's best interest to bring this to some sort of conclusion in some rational way. Hopefully we can at least bring it to some sort of conclusion.
Kind Regards
Mark

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Re: New Rosemary Ainslie Demonstration Scheduled for Sunday, 4 August 2013
« Reply #98 on: August 11, 2013, 10:02:22 AM »
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...to bring this to some sort of conclusion in some rational way. Hopefully we can at least bring it to some sort of conclusion.

From where I sit it is evident that the
conclusion (scientifically) was long ago
accomplished. ???

Unfortunately, a battle of wills has
developed which set for itself a very
unscientific goal.  Where is someone
like Spock when he is needed? 8)

The real problem with "science" is that
it is done by stubborn people. ;)   It has
too often become a game of psycho-
analysis. :D   Getting a woman to change
her mind is damn near impossible under
even the best of circumstances. ;D

Aye, Spock would separate the science
from the noise in a microsecond or less... ::)

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Re: New Rosemary Ainslie Demonstration Scheduled for Sunday, 4 August 2013
« Reply #99 on: August 11, 2013, 10:29:53 AM »
Here Here!  I agree 100%.   Nice job fellows.

I can't wait to see what cool devices TK now comes up with since he no longer has to waste his time on this bogus "science".

Bill

Yes congratulations to all, what a long road it's been, but finally the truth has got through  :)


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Re: New Rosemary Ainslie Demonstration Scheduled for Sunday, 4 August 2013
« Reply #100 on: August 11, 2013, 03:49:55 PM »
Link: to Demo: [/font][/size]http://www.youtube.com/embed/PY3mHLJ2DzU


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Re: New Rosemary Ainslie Demonstration Scheduled for Sunday, 4 August 2013
« Reply #101 on: August 11, 2013, 03:58:26 PM »
Oh, it is not over, not by a long shot. It won't be over until Ainslie and Martin perform the following acts.

1. Rosemary Ainslie MUST remove all versions, all links, to the two papers IMMEDIATELY. She MUST contact Rossi's JNP and retract those posts of those papers there right away and issue statements of retraction with explanations to be posted there, as soon as possible.

2. Donovan Martin MUST assure that Ainslie complies. He surely does not want or need to have his name associated with these papers that contain FABRICATED DATA, misrepresentations of experimental procedures, outright lies, and totally false claims of excess power and energy. Donovan Martin should, by all rights, issue HIS OWN statement of retraction/repudiation, as he has been used, mercilessly, by the dishonest Ainslie to further her own goals, without regard for accuracy or fact.

3. The Quantum Magazine article, which includes a schematic that produces the exact inverse of her claimed duty cycle, MUST be retracted as well, since it contains the same bogus measurement technique and makes the same unfounded claims, in addition to having the impossible schematic.

4. Ainslie MUST issue a full and comprehensive ERROR REPORT that describes her errors, how to correct them and what the conclusions are when correct data is collected and proper analysis and interpretations are performed.

5. Ainslie MUST write retractions and explanations for the "open letters" and failed demonstration announcements that she has recently made on PESN and Mark Dansie's Revolution-Green websites and discussion forums. This should be done as soon as possible.

Anything short of full and honest and direct performance of the above will indicate that the team of Rosemary Ainslie and Donovan Martin are not interested in science at all -- for those things are WHAT SCIENTISTS DO when their data, or data they are associated with, is proven wrong.

Further:

6. Ainslie MUST issue INDIVIDUAL PERSONAL apologies, sincere, complete and public apologies, to those she has insulted, lied to and slighted with disrespect over all these years. Here is just a partial list:

-The Boss, one of her longest-term critics, who has been following her case for 13 years or more
-The Naked Scientists Forum and their moderators
-The Energetic Forum, and Aaron and Ashtweth in particular
-FuzzyTomCat (Glen Lettermeier) -- she has especially slighted Glen and he deserves a totally abject and complete apology from Ainslie.
-Harvey -- ditto.
-Tektronix (for misrepresenting their involvement when she had a loaner scope from them)
-Coast-to-Coast Radio, George Noory and Art Bell
-Professor Kahn
-this forum, Stefan Hartmann in particular
-PicoWatt, MileHigh, poynt99 and other individuals on this forum

Anything short of full and honest and direct performance of the above will indicate that Rosemary Ainslie is bereft of conscience, incapable of shame, doesn't take responsibility for her actions,  and is a troll queen of the first magnitude.

(She has even admitted that she doesn't really believe that my name is Bryan Little.... she has just been deliberately trying to "push my buttons" whenever she uses that name in reference to me!!! In short, the very definition of an internet troll.)

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Re: New Rosemary Ainslie Demonstration Scheduled for Sunday, 4 August 2013
« Reply #102 on: August 11, 2013, 04:17:47 PM »
"Do people know that the demo is proceeding RIGHT NOW, not at the time previously announced?"

Mark is in charge of that..... Making the announcement ELEVEN MINUTES before it starts...... yep, TOP SECRET OPEN SOURCE appears to have a leak, I was able to get there in time!

LOL......

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Re: New Rosemary Ainslie Demonstration Scheduled for Sunday, 4 August 2013
« Reply #103 on: August 11, 2013, 04:21:13 PM »
I announced it on my site yesterday and the link as soon as I got it. I did not realize I was the announcer
mark



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Re: New Rosemary Ainslie Demonstration Scheduled for Sunday, 4 August 2013
« Reply #104 on: August 11, 2013, 04:23:25 PM »
Oh...I just LOVE to see people putting stuff down on top of big unfused battery stacks ! Set that scopemeter down on those terminals, go ahead.

Maybe they will get careless and short a terminal with a wedding ring, or drop a test lead across them. That would be worth watching!