Author Topic: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE (Read 2364907 times)

antijon · « **Reply #2880 on:** December 21, 2015, 07:04:07 AM »

digitalindustry, I see what you mean. Because he used old school parts, necessary for construction, they would most likely contain parasitic capacitance and inductance. But why do you think it's important? What would be the effect of inductance on the resistor?

lol, people are giving you a hard time, but you're not cursing yet, so you're ok in my book. Besides, it's not like you jumped in here with a, "I saw the light," savior complex. And you don't claim to have a little fairy whispering in your ear about the secret, holy grail of free energy... at least I hope you don't, we don't need another one.

And yep, you'll find a lot of redundant posts, and a few posts with Doug's philosophical insight, which I appreciate. The problem is there's not a lot of builders here.

digitalindustry · « **Reply #2881 on:** December 21, 2015, 01:58:14 PM »

Quote from: antijon on December 21, 2015, 07:04:07 AM

digitalindustry, I see what you mean. Because he used old school parts, necessary for construction, they would most likely contain parasitic capacitance and inductance. But why do you think it's important? What would be the effect of inductance on the resistor?

lol, people are giving you a hard time, but you're not cursing yet, so you're ok in my book. Besides, it's not like you jumped in here with a, "I saw the light," savior complex. And you don't claim to have a little fairy whispering in your ear about the secret, holy grail of free energy... at least I hope you don't, we don't need another one.

And yep, you'll find a lot of redundant posts, and a few posts with Doug's philosophical insight, which I appreciate. The problem is there's not a lot of builders here.

thanks friend , no not at all - i was very interested in the patent sale and all that history.

i don't have 'little people whispering in my ear' presently but i can't speak about later on ha ha .

yes i'm telling the builders to take this all into account, all of these devices are always about a 'rotating magnetic field'

every-time there is inertia there is 'energy' because gravity is 'magnetic at frequency'

i'm not making grand presuppositions i'm saying to people that take into account that the 'Resistor' in that case may be serving more than one purpose.

and to just think about the logic of a rotational mag field.

i will be working on a concept but not this one soon with a 'flicking' or rotational mag field i will post it when done for analysis.

antijon · « **Reply #2882 on:** December 21, 2015, 05:37:56 PM »

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i'm not making grand presuppositions i'm saying to people that take into account that the 'Resistor' in that case may be serving more than one purpose.

Are you also under the impression that the resistor reduces the reactance of the inducer coils?

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i will be working on a concept but not this one soon with a 'flicking' or rotational mag field i will post it when done for analysis.

Looking forward to it. Care to share your setup now?

There's many ways to fulfill Faraday's BxV, which is what I've always been interested in. For instance, in Figuera's generator, B (flux density) increases when input current increases, just like a normal transformer. But due to the effect of two inducers acting with proper phasing, the coil now appears to be "moving" between two magnets. Like in the image below. BTW, have you ever seen those cheeky little shake-to-charge flashlights? They used a single magnet moving up and down in a coil... you know the output would be twice as high if they used this arrangement.

Speaking of flux density, I don't suppose you read my posts about parallel primaries, or parallel inductors?

marathonman · « **Reply #2883 on:** December 21, 2015, 06:28:57 PM »

digitalindustry,antijon ;

Quote "all of these devices are always about a 'rotating magnetic field'

every-time there is inertia there is 'energy' because gravity is 'magnetic at frequency"

it's about time This is the most intelligent sentence you've posted yet.

that so called fairy wispering in me ear has a 5 kw system working for over a year now.
as he mints to me i post to the forum but whether you heed the information is entirely up to you. that is why my design took such a radical turn in the last few months was from his operational hints. why he gave to me i don't know, can't answer that.

sure i am an ass hole, you are not telling me something i all ready know but i do enjoy helping other that are willing to help them selves and not blindly jump in a pit because of a shinny object. i just think that the areas your engaged in are secondary to the main real concern, the pulsing, operation and dimensions of the cores. without these main concerns you will never have a working device.
i know this device was using DC at the time in question because the Canary Island had no AC at the time of his builds and he used a DC motor for his commutator rotation. this is not to say that AC can be used as i so recently found out but the control system to manipulate it will be to very elaborate as compared to DC.

he used DC through a resistor network to split the currant between two opposing Electromagnets (same polarity) as not to interfere with each other but help amplify the incoming signal (push pull/push push) while rotating the commutator to raise and lower the currant in the electromagnets in opposite fashion.
that is as plain and simple as i can put it so if it is not understood the exchange of knowledge has ceased and one's intelligence level will remain stagnant.

antijon · « **Reply #2884 on:** December 21, 2015, 07:33:26 PM »

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that so called fairy wispering[sic] in me ear has a 5 kw system working for over a year now.

Well, I didn't name you directly, but regardless, I don't believe hearsay, and nor should anyone else. Skepticism is a part of due process, and it keeps us safe from playing a role in someone's fantasy.

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as he mints to me i post to the forum but whether you heed the information is entirely up to you.

Unnecessary, but thanks. If he has a working model but refuses to share, he can:
A. Keep quiet
B. Kiss my ass
C. Both of the above

I pick C.

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that is why my design took such a radical turn in the last few months was from his operational hints. why he gave to me i don't know, can't answer that.

Lies, lies. When you first started posting your "ring dynamo" idea, we, the regular members of this thread, schooled you until you learned the basic principles. Remember that? We told you it wouldn't work, but you adamantly denied, and claimed that everyone else will have a "non working device". In the end everything we said started to sink in, and now you claim our ideas as your own. Anyone can look back and see that "your" new design is the same design we've been going over for a long time. If anyone should be credited with the design it should be Hanon. He stuck with it even though I and others were trying different configurations. In the end, Hanon proved to be correct.

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but i do enjoy helping other that are willing to help them selves

Funny that you say that. If we look back to this post: http://overunity.com/12794/re-inventing-the-wheel-part1-clemente_figuera-the-infinite-energy-machine/msg467996/#msg467996 we see you "helping" a new member, who, by the way, has already constructed part of a driving circuit. He generously shares with us his knowledge, experience, schematics, and waveform, and you berate him in your arrogance. Congratulations, you helped another lost soul find his way to the fairy man's benevolence.

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it's about time This is the most intelligent sentence you've posted yet.

You want to talk about intelligence? Really? Come on man, drop the gloves, let's do it. You're a hundred years too soon to talk about intelligence. And please, work on your spelling and grammar before you try to school someone. My college English professor would be hitting you with his umbrella.

antijon · « **Reply #2885 on:** December 21, 2015, 08:38:36 PM »

For everyone's entertainment, I've republished a video that I recorded Oct. 14 of 2014. I had deleted my youtube videos in hopes of updating the info, to make it more clear and concise, but it seems relevant to repost it now.

https://youtu.be/ScTHwo-Jaq4 Haha, I was probably drinking at the time. Anyway, I replaced the commutator and resistor with a sliding resistor. The effect is the same. The poles are same polarity, facing each other. If you can take anything from this video, see that it proved the validity of Hanon's original interpretation, which he published here: https://youtu.be/ZPbWoaPUE5s . Bare in mind the date, Oct. 6, 2014.

Now, for those of us in this forum, newcomers and all, you may be learning these things for the first time, but that doesn't give you the right to claim conception here. I'm not going to sit quietly and watch the rug get pulled out from under someone, while someone else tramps around saying, "my idea, my idea." Give credit where credit is due. Otherwise, shut your fairy-loving pie hole.

marathonman · « **Reply #2886 on:** December 21, 2015, 10:29:56 PM »

? Sorry

hanon · « **Reply #2887 on:** December 22, 2015, 12:12:23 AM »

Come on guys! This is a serious thread. Marathon, please modify your last post. The only thing that you will get with such kind of posts is to avoid some MIB coming to this circus.

Now that the audience is quite high I post some doubts that I have:

1- I got stucked builing a commutator. I am thinking of restarting my tests. But as I am not very expert in mechanizing objects nor I have a workshop I need to build the easiest commutator possible. Please tell me if the ideas in this post are fine to get the two opposite magnetic fields: [size=78%]http://overunity.com/12794/re-inventing-the-wheel-part1-clemente_figuera-the-infinite-energy-machine/msg467058/#msg467058[/size]

2- As the 1908 patent already uses two variable signals I do not understand why we still need to adjust the distance of the coils as Marathonman is suggesting

3- If we just want to replicate a static dynamo, then why is marathonman suggesting no to use external yokes to close the magnetic circuit or just to arrange the coils so that the expelled lines of force may go back by a path of low reluctance

As the secret benefactor prefers to keep in the dark I suppose that he won´t answers to these doubts, so please marathonman if you are so kind..

Regards

marathonman · « **Reply #2888 on:** December 22, 2015, 05:08:21 AM »

Hanon;

antijon had almost got it. Quote "Are you also under the impression that the resistor reduces the reactance of the inducer coils?"

Hanon had almost got it right. Quote "or just to arrange the coils so that the expelled lines of force may go back by a path of low reluctance"

the reluctance of the longest path through the two cores will add to the distance through the air as it returns to the opposite side of the single magnet completing the path for one of the inducer magnets. The distance adds to the reluctance decreasing the amount of difference in terms of current change.
so no external yoke hanon.

there is a small adjustment to fine tum the cores to one another depending on core size, electromagnet size and currant....ect

digitalindustry · « **Reply #2889 on:** December 22, 2015, 11:51:23 AM »

Quote from: antijon on December 21, 2015, 05:37:56 PM

Are you also under the impression that the resistor reduces the reactance of the inducer coils?

Looking forward to it. Care to share your setup now?

There's many ways to fulfill Faraday's BxV, which is what I've always been interested in. For instance, in Figuera's generator, B (flux density) increases when input current increases, just like a normal transformer. But due to the effect of two inducers acting with proper phasing, the coil now appears to be "moving" between two magnets. Like in the image below. BTW, have you ever seen those cheeky little shake-to-charge flashlights? They used a single magnet moving up and down in a coil... you know the output would be twice as high if they used this arrangement.

Speaking of flux density, I don't suppose you read my posts about parallel primaries, or parallel inductors?

nope i didn't read your post i will find it after posting this -

i am always happy to share:

There are two basic designs:

First is a Pyramid

and this is my own idea/design

- take a pyramid of the general proportions attached. (any ratio of that proportion)
-make out of copper tubing
- from dead center top drop a copper wire/tube and here is were the 'capacitor' will sit.
- the 'Cap' should sit also 50% down from the top of the pyramid to the base.
- the 'capacitor' is built by 3 plates (willl experiment with copper or conductive metal)
- the center plate i will experiment with 'earthing' down to the base of the pyramid
- left and right of the center will be a dilaletric material i.e i was going to use thin piece of vinyl
- then left and right of that a 2x strip of bismuth so 1x left 1x right
- another set of dialectic (vinyl) left and right of the Bismuth
- then the two outer plates.

- the two outer plates will be attached at the bottom with a wire/tube down to two inductors.

- these two inductors will then patch off the wire to the fluctuation 'energy' i.e the two output wires.

- i will drill the whole 'capacitor' in such a way that from the right and left at a 90degree angle i can have two (2) Perm Mags approaching the two outer plates. (and make it in a way that they are adjustable)

- the adjusters should not be made out of any conductive material i.e the Perm Mags have to be air gap adjustable and not 'conductivity' attached to the outer plates. (also the integrity of the capacitor) i.e if you drill the cap through the center to run an 'adjustable rod' it should not be conductive

and experiment from there.

Second one was given to me just recently by some non human friends of mine
it is a magnetic motor and when i saw it i thought it was so simple that i didn't believe it. (not that they have reason to lie to me ha ha)

so i won't talk about it until i build it.

i have no problem to build and post them here - the people i have a relationship with more or less run and own the meatpuppets on these many sites thee real MIB are men in 'white' and they are currently running this planet.

we are coming to arrangements to make changes in the configuration of the planet to try to help people but there maybe some 'bumps' along the way.

so strap in.

: D

edit* fixed unclear parts

variation in experiment would be as follows:

- use one perm mag instead of two
- eventually use a ball/sphere of bismuth and perhaps center it and build the outer plates as spheres around it- (still insulated with the dialetric)

digitalindustry · « **Reply #2890 on:** December 22, 2015, 12:13:12 PM »

Quote from: marathonman on December 21, 2015, 06:28:57 PM

digitalindustry,antijon ;

Quote "all of these devices are always about a 'rotating magnetic field'

every-time there is inertia there is 'energy' because gravity is 'magnetic at frequency"

it's about time This is the most intelligent sentence you've posted yet.

that so called fairy wispering in me ear has a 5 kw system working for over a year now.
as he mints to me i post to the forum but whether you heed the information is entirely up to you. that is why my design took such a radical turn in the last few months was from his operational hints. why he gave to me i don't know, can't answer that.

sure i am an ass hole, you are not telling me something i all ready know but i do enjoy helping other that are willing to help them selves and not blindly jump in a pit because of a shinny object. i just think that the areas your engaged in are secondary to the main real concern, the pulsing, operation and dimensions of the cores. without these main concerns you will never have a working device.
i know this device was using DC at the time in question because the Canary Island had no AC at the time of his builds and he used a DC motor for his commutator rotation. this is not to say that AC can be used as i so recently found out but the control system to manipulate it will be to very elaborate as compared to DC.

he used DC through a resistor network to split the currant between two opposing Electromagnets (same polarity) as not to interfere with each other but help amplify the incoming signal (push pull/push push) while rotating the commutator to raise and lower the currant in the electromagnets in opposite fashion.
that is as plain and simple as i can put it so if it is not understood the exchange of knowledge has ceased and one's intelligence level will remain stagnant.

i'm fine with all that as stated i recommend people build the 'resistor' to the original patent (or a variation of that)

to tell you the truth after 100 + years (of human history) there are so many devices that could be built this would be a fun one to make.

you are not currently registering even close to 'arsehole' on my meter, i wouldn't even say you are annoying.

hanon · « **Reply #2891 on:** December 22, 2015, 05:34:52 PM »

QUOTE FROM FIGUERA PATENT 30378 (year 1902)

In Gramme ring and in the current dynamos,
current is produced by induction exerted on the wire of the induced circuits as
its coils cut the lines of force created by the excitatory electromagnets, this is,
as the induced circuit moves, quickly, inside the magnetic atmosphere which
exists between the pole faces of the excitatory electromagnets and the soft iron
core of the induced. In order to produce this movement, mechanical force need
to be employed in large quantity, because it is necessary to overcome the
magnetic attraction between the core and the excitatory electromagnets,
attraction which opposes the motion, so the current dynamos are true machines
for transforming mechanical work into electricity.

The undersigned, believe that it is exactly the same that the coils in the induced cut
the lines of force, or that these lines of force cross the induced wire, because
not changing, by rotation, the arrangement of the magnetic fields, there is no
necessity to move the core to create induction.

hanon · « **Reply #2892 on:** December 23, 2015, 11:31:24 AM »

http://overunity.com/12794/re-inventing-the-wheel-part1-clemente_figuera-the-infinite-energy-machine/msg420569/#msg420569

Maybe also Figuera used a notation trick in his 1902 patent. In spanish the possesive pronoum "sus" is not different to denote the kind of owner, as happens in english. "sus" can be translated, with no difference, as any kind of 3rd person, singular or plural : "its", "his", her" and "their".

ORIGINAL PATENT TEXT:
"Varios electroimanes están colocados uno enfrente al otro, y
separados sus caras polares de nombre contrario por una pequeña distancia."

ONE POSSIBLE TRANSLATION:
"Several electromagnets are placed one in front of another, and
separated their polar faces of contrary name by a small distance."

OTHER POSSIBLE TRANSLATION:
"Several electromagnets are placed one in front of another, and
separated its polar faces of contrary name by a small distance."

If the real meaning was "its polar faces" then Figuera was talking about the two poles of the same electromanet, not the poles of two different electromagnets.

Again, we find a polemic way to define the real polarity of the system. Was it the Columbus Eggs mentioned by Figuera?

hanon · « **Reply #2893 on:** December 23, 2015, 11:36:28 AM »

marathonman · « **Reply #2894 on:** December 23, 2015, 02:23:43 PM »

Repost.....foul

I like that last post Hanon. was it a moment of silence for Figueras. ha, ha

Quote; "contrary name by a small distance." meaning "opposing or against" opposite poles with gap used to tune the primaries to the secondaries.

now this pic below will get a laugh.

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