maybe you should familiarize yourself with an induction meter or learn about induction.

I have  an Induction meter and am reading more as we speak. i am curious as to what you are attempting to hypothesize in relation to the Figueras device.

Yes there are working Devices but unfortunately they don't wan't to post completely. of the one's i know of they are very cryptic.

ok, take out the word "we" then read it.

all i can say is good luck.

Happy Figuering to all.

i'm saying to account for the :

1. inductance
2. inductive capacitance
and
3. Resistance
 
 AND the variable nature of all.

of the so called 'Resistor' (even if it was market as so)
and to turn that to a 'digital' system

one would be best starting with perhaps

an inductive coil (air core)
a bi polar capacitor
a resistor.

and you would need to vary each of the above stated on each # to coil i.e to each coil

probably a NF cap range.
and just ohm range for resistor.
likewise the choke (coil) microH

and build the same relationship that this configuration has.

if you have built a device and all you are getting is essentially 'transformer' type results i'd start on this lead.
then explore the 'make or break' variable. 

regards.

An important point on Reality.

Attached it a list of the modern components that woudl be needed to accurately represent the Reality of the component in the original device:

- For configuration

you would need to vary each component for each number of taps along the original 'variator'

i would start by looking at the amount of turns in each section of the winding and try to guesstimate a Henry inductance

then match your Cap and Resistor up with that.

they will likely be low

i.e -
Ohms of resistance
NF or Pf of capacitance
mico H of inductance.

example : (just for show)

10 NF steps per 'tap' (stating at 10)
or
10 pf steps per 'Tap'   

anyone that didn't  mention this in 190 pages is either

A - Paid by a gov or corporation to mislead you or
B - was misled by A

but hey A is just trying to earn a living we can't be playa haters.

digitalindustry; take some high ohmage wire for your resistor section, wire it like the pic shows and take your own LCR meter if you own one and measure the inductance. you will get a reading that is so low that amounts to nothing.
so that leads me to believe in the following.

#1 you haven't read not one single patent.
#2 typical human reaction to over complicate a simplex design.
#3 being guided by taught dogma from status quo instructors.
#4 being paid to do so because we are at the point of production.
#5 just a complete idiot that likes to disrupt people.
#6 knows enough to think he knows everything.

NOW digitalindustry pick ANY TWO !

anyone that didn't  mention this in 190 pages is either

A - Paid by a gov or corporation to mislead you or
B - was misled by A

apparently Clemente Figueras never got this memo and forgot to put it in his patent.

Have a nice Figueras Day !

digitalindustry; take some high ohmage wire for your resistor section, wire it like the pic shows and take your own LCR meter if you own one and measure the inductance. you will get a reading that is so low that amounts to nothing.
so that leads me to believe in the following.

#1 you haven't read not one single patent.
#2 typical human reaction to over complicate a simplex design.
#3 being guided by taught dogma from status quo instructors.
#4 being paid to do so because we are at the point of production.
#5 just a complete idiot that likes to disrupt people.
#6 knows enough to think he knows everything.

NOW digitalindustry pick ANY TWO !

anyone that didn't  mention this in 190 pages is either

A - Paid by a gov or corporation to mislead you or
B - was misled by A

apparently Clemente Figueras never got this memo and forgot to put it in his patent.

Have a nice Figueras Day !

hey i'm not trying to give you a hard time.

- coils of wire have inductance and all the other parameters i stated, it's a fact, you can 'wiki' it of you like.

- i expect Figuera had to purchase the much older model of Arduino and he probably had to code it in machine code, so its just not a fair comparison, when he wrote his Patent he probably left all that out.

: D

yes in case anyone has been recently hit on the head that last part was sarcasm, all i said previous to that is fact, thinking more about it i'd probably just make it straight up how he described, vectoring on the 'V' shape of the inductors.

i'm sure people have achieved it both ways, and a mix , by adding caps etc.

yep i think you'd essentially have some sort of transformer bi-transformer.

may as well put a toroid in a toroid and play with that.

yep, that's why he (Figuera) didn't stopped with arrangement of two AC currents shifted in phase in his second device
i wish i could have resources to replicate his devices 

Probably this is my last post.

I gave this info to Darediamond and so I'm giving this openly now...

Shape of device I used: It is hour glass shaped with the secondary wires kept to prevent the primary irons from dashing against each other. The secondary is in the center. The winding can be described any way..CW or CCW.

You consider a solenoid of many layers wound either CW or CCW. Now the solenoid has a North Pole and a South Pole.  Then you cut that solenoid in to two parts. You want to keep the NS-NS-NS configuration for Lenz law is not present only when the secondary is between the primary iron cores and the inducation happens due to the forces of attraction.

If you give the input from the top of the two solenoids the output comes but the current moves in one direction always. It goes like this -----> and then it goes like this <------- In the two solenoids simultaneously.

Now Let us give the Current from the two edges In this case the winding is CW-CW-CCW but you are going to give the input from the end points of the two primaries. This is where the confusion comes. This is answered in one simple way..you give the current to rotate in the same direction from both the end points. Then you keep the NS-NS-NS configuations. When you do this..What happens is the waves moves like this..   P1----->  S <-------P2  and then P1<------S-------->P2

In this later case the attractive force in the center tremendously increases at one time and decreases at another time. Therefore the flux variation is very high and this results in very high output. What we need to do is to increase the magnetic field and then convert that magnetic field in to Electrical output. So the Electrical input is lower but output is higher. I will post it in the forum also.

Please carefully shield the electromagnets and use 4 sq mm wire for primary and about 10 sqmm wire for secondary because the secondary must have high voltage. For that current you need to have high turns of secondary. A straight pole as shown by Buforn in his last patent is the most efficient one. He discloses as much. I have seen a single secondary kept between two primaries reaching 235 volts and 14 amps for a low input. But be careful here for the force of magnetism in this type of winding is very high and it pulls even current carrying aluminium wires towards it. The magnetic field is tremendously amplified. It affects us badly and you must shield the electromagnets carefully. Let there be air flow but ensure that secondary is sufficiently covered by plastic sheets. You can feel that the force is so much that the middle secondary behaves as if it will break. So be careful.

If you use pulsed DC from a Battery then low voltage alone will be applied in the primary but pulsed DC draws lot of amperage. Multifilar coils are not needed at that time as pulsed DC does not suffer from impedance of coils. It will increase the magnetism too much.

Unfortunately what we do is to increase the magnetic field while providing a lower amount of input. This increased magnetic field is converted to high electrical field in the wires when higher number of turns are present in thicker wires in the secondary. Couple it to the Earth and you have artificial high potential difference between two earth points.

I'm not a competent person in Electricity and so I have not dared to do much here. It requires competent supervision and careful planning. But once this is done safely this can be replicated easily and the output can be used to run the machine.

I'm more comfortable with AC than with pulsed DC for pulsed DC is a beast when compared to AC and produces a very high magnetic field. However a magnetic field created from pulsed DC is said to be beneficial to health between 8 to 25 Hz while magnetic field from AC at 50 Hz to 60Hz is said to be inimical to health of humans. I do not know except that I have swollen feet that refuse to go away. I have stopped the experiments and avoided them completely.

There is nothing more to this. You create a very large magnetic field using small electrical input and then convert that magnetic field in to high elctrical field output. Use the Earth to increase the amount of Electrons or ions available to increase the amperage. If done correctly the Earth connection is not needed.

Probably this is what Floyd Sweet and Hubbard and others did.  Any one can easily check that a very powerful and very large electromagnetic field and electromagnet can be generated by application of about 100 watts of input. It is the conversion of this magnetic field in to Electrical field and extraction of it that is done in these devices.

I'm unable to understand how Hanon and Marathonman say that  the poles are SN-Y-NS. I'm unable to understand how Lenz law would be negated in this arrangement as stated in Figueras patent. But well I'm not a knowledgeable person and from my attempts to do it, I got only zero voltage and no output. Forum Member Dieter has also reported the same thing earlier.

However I must agree that Magnetism is not clearly described in texts and how it operates does not appear to be known to many. For example a permanent magnet once magnetised remains a powerful permanent magnet for a number of years. Electromagnet on the other hand becomes a powerful magnet only when electricity is applied but the magnetic field around an electromagnet is far higher than that of permanent magnets. I do not think that there are many competent people on this subject who have actually experimented and found. Since I did not know any thing I ended up doing practical experiments and learnt from my observations. I have nothing to more to contribute here and I do not think I will be able to do these experiments given the state of my funds and problems I face.

Regards,

Ramaswami
 

Thanks Marathonman for the kind words..I have taken precautions against the electric field but not against the magnetic field. That is the mistake.

The informatiion given to you is correct but your understanding is wrong.

The information given to you probably was like this. P1 is wound CW- Y CW- P2 is Wound CCW.

You therefore think that the identical poles were facing each other. This is why you and Hanon insist that it is NS-Y-SN or SN-Y-NS.

That is not correct.

There are other people who have tried to replicate what I did in this forum and one of them can tell you if he so desires that at 12 to 14 filars of winding for a very low electrical input a very large magnetic field can be produced.

There is another competent experimenter in a First world country who replicated and advised that the voltage is divided in the primary and the Ramaswami device did not work. I also did the same thing and it did not work. I was so completely puzzled. What did we do in 2013. Why the output is coming but why it is lower than the input. The answer is in the email I just sent to this competent experimenter.

The mistake that we did in 2013 was to wind the layers of secondary under the primary as described in the Ramaswami device. The description was given from memory and so I could not understand how the voltage divided and how we got a lower value in secondary output..

In my description P1 and P2 had the currrent going from top to bottom or from Left to Rigth and then return. This causes the voltage to divide in the primaries.  Current Moves like this P1----->Secondary P2---------> The current moves in the same direction in the primaries. P1 and P2 are connected in series. This is what we did and the experimenter reported voltage division.

To the contrary try winding like this..

CW-CW-CCW  (This is similar to the SN-Y-NS that you think was done by the experimenter who advised you)

But this time give the current from the two ends of the primaries. The current should rotate in the same direction in the two primaries. In this case the polarity is maintained as NS-NS-NS for the polarity is determined not by how the coil is wound but by how the current rotates in the coils. If the direction of rotation of current is same then the polarity remains unaltered.

But this time current travels like this.. P1---------> Secondary <------------P2. In this case the current moves to maximise the voltage to double of what is originally given. Instead of voltage division that we saw this time the voltage adds up. Magnetic field strength is increased 4 times or more. Because the Magnetic Field strength curve will suddenly shoot up when the number of Ampere turns crossses a particular range. This happens in this type of winding.

This is the reason for the very high amperage suddenly seen in the wire by us in 2013. In the second case the Magnetic field strength is tremendously increased for the same input and then tremendously decreased. The variation of fulx is very high. Our mistake was to have wound the secondary also under the primary and this resulted in the high voltage and high amperage which made the current unusable. If we limit ourselves to the secondary winding alone the voltage remains at the range of 220 to 240 volts and the current is in the range of 12 to 14 amps. We only need to use higher number of wires in the multifilar coils to reduce the input amperage.

If we use pulsed DC we would need to reduce the input voltage for pulsed DC draws too much of current as the input voltage  is increased. The secondary in the center would still experience a high output voltage and amperage and the voltage is determined by the number of turns of the secondary. This is why Figuera used a battery in 1908 but used a resistor array to limit the current drawn.

It is normally understood wrongly that if the solenoid is wound CW the pole is of one type and if it is wound CCW the pole is of another type. This is  not so. The same CW winding can be used to produce a North pole or South Pole by giving the current from the inside to the outside or from the outside to the inside. Direction of rotation of current changes. This changes the poles. Polarity is determined by the direction of rotation of current in electromagnets.

If we do this the voltage division is now changed by voltage addition. You may test it at your convenience. Giving it to the Earth is not needed. We can give the secondary directly to load. Still voltage will add up and the output voltage is based on the number of turns of secondary. The current is about 12 to 14 amps and voltage is about 235 volts. But it differs slighttly up and down.  But please cover the electromagnet with many layers of plastic. The magnet Ends must also be covered with plastic. If possible allow the air to go but cover the device with Aluminium sheets with i feet air gap present between the Iron and Aluminium. Earth the Aluminium sheet configured like a tank for it will have high amperage and low voltage and it should be earthed. ( Just some wire from from the aluminium to an iron rod fixed in earth would do. Not the Normal Earth connection kind of Earth. If you do not allow air to go to the electromagnet and cover the whole thing with aluminium the magnet may not work. Aluminium will prevent the magnet from getting ions from the Air and the magnet may not work.

But this kind of shielding will ensure that no harm is caused as I'm suffering now even after many months of stopping the work.

One of the reasons that I advised others not to experiment is because we did not understand these points. Aluminium shielding will have higher amperage as long as the electromagnet is functioning and so should not be touched and must be earthed.

You may please check with the experimenter if what I say about direction of rotation of current altering the polarity is correct or not. Then you will recognize that this is how Lenz law was cancelled by Figuera.

We have moved the rods out. About 10% of the rods have become mild permanent magnets. Rest remain pure iron. One Metallurgical professor says that there is a possibility that this has caused the iron to change in to another isotope of iron. But this is rejected by another Professor who insists for an element to move from one isotope to another a lot of energy would be needed. We have not tested the iron internal structure to find these things out. So I may not do these tests again.

But the fundamental principle is you increase the magnetic field strength by providing a lower electrical field and then take out a higher electrical output from the concentrated magnetic field. This is the mystery of the free energy devices. There is nothing more.