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Author Topic: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE  (Read 2364346 times)

Doug1

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1905 on: December 01, 2014, 07:02:18 AM »
Hanon

 "As far as I have understood, you are proposing a method to increase the efficiency to excite the electromagnets without needing the resistors array (and then saving the heat dissipated in those). Am I right?

   The resister array doesnt block off the current in the same way a resister would in a normal circuit. It directs it to one or the other inducer but always it has someplace to go with little resistance. The internal resistance of a battery if that is what is used to start it depending on design still has to follow the rule of the device having slightly more resistance then the source. The method I described as the one I prefer. Uses the length of winding in total broken into groups to act the same way as the resister array but the commutator is still required as  it controls the timing of the brush sets connected to the taps of the coil groups. Which works the same as the resistance being placed between multiple brushes.

Are your proposing an electromagnet composed of several independent coils that you are firing sequentially to increase the magnetic field?

   Sort of ,Im not sure on your meaning of sequentially. If there are 7 layers of turns with ten turns per layer and each layer has a tap but it made up of a single conductor through out. Each tap would come on in order until all of them were on and then go off in the opposite order one at a time. If that is what you are saying then yes. The actual effect is inverse but from the observers point of view it will look like it happened the other way.The observer being the Y coil. Imagine your source is 4 volts again but your using a coil built to be used with a 120 volts ac. 4 volts will produce a very week magnetic field across the entire length of wire used for the coil. the taps shorten the length of the wire increasing the voltage per turn without increasing the voltage source.On the other hand I can combine taps and change the voltage to any multiple of the value within the groups the same as a multi voltage transformer uses it's output taps.

In that case you are increasing the efficiency of the input current? It is an optimization. I suppose that Figuera just used the resistors."

 He did not limit himself to the resisters at all he used it to describe the principle of operation for ease of comprehension. I can only imagine what he would be saying today watching this. Im sure it would be colorful. I would not call it an optimization exactly. The same amount of current has to traverse each turn of the coil as would have if the coil was powered from its ends like normal. The difference is that by subdividing the coil so a lower voltage can be used to get the same effect through out your left with options not otherwise possible. The same goes for the mutli brush method with the resistance placed between the brushes.
 Think about now a little bit of complexity.If you have a portion of output being used to run the device it will be at the voltage it is designed to put out say at 120volt ac but at maybe 1 amp(the portion). You have to figure out how to regulate or limit the portion to that amount without wasting a lot of power in the process or ending up with some unstable form of regulation.
  Like everything ells there a number of ways to do it.
  Some of the early brush designs used layered brushes, alternating between insulating layer and conductive layers in a single brush. Some books state it was purely for strength and longevity but I personally doubt that was the only reason taking into consideration the materials used. There is no way to stress enough that the total real resistances in the device have to be less then the total resistance in the load placed on it at any given instance of time.

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« Reply #1906 on: December 01, 2014, 04:59:30 PM »
Doug1,

What you are saying is described in just about every old book I have on dynamos. “If 200 ampere turns are required to produce the required magnetic effect in the iron, then it matters not whether there is one turn of wire carrying 200 amps or 200 turns of wire carrying one amp. The effect is the same.”

I'm speechless.

Doug1

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1907 on: December 01, 2014, 07:19:45 PM »
Cadman

 Imagine that.


  Sorry, you stepped into it.lol

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« Reply #1908 on: December 01, 2014, 08:06:10 PM »
Nelson,

In your opinion, which is the principle underlining in this patent?

Thanks
Hi Hanon, forget for the later response ,
The principle in my opinion is generate currents without mechanical motion. You eliminate friction , and lenz law with this type of configuration, so the generation of currents will be improved without the same losses of a conventional alternator. At this point we have a improvement right ?
Now about the NN or SS configuration in the coils .Seems that repulsion of poles of North /North or South/ South can be not totally but 90% canceled ( I say by my observations)  .
This effect will alternate  ever 180 degrees in one side of the coils N and and in the other 180 degrees the other side of coils S by the commutator , increasing the current in one part of the coils and decrease in the other part of coils generate the virtual motion needed to induce a  current in coils Y.
Figuera use a combination of resistors in commutator to vary the current in coils right? So we can improve their system with a lc tank system discharging in the coils. ;)
You should collect the magnetic collapse of the coils to fill the caps in lc tank circuit.


 

make the same thing but much more efficiently that Figuera did. 
 Note that Figuera say that coils can be replaced by a permanent magnets. In my point of view only one part of the coils can be replace by the permanent magnetic but i'm study this subject in present moment and a don't want to talk about this .
Tesla present us with a similar circuit  present in patent US381970. If  you know this patent you will find much similar concepts in relation at CW/CWW effects and the motion without mechanical movement.

Hanon what i want to say is that patent is the simplest way to learn this concept , unlike other  patents produced by other inventors and more complicated.
I think people in generally only want to see objective things that can be explained by the conventional laws not for something  that there is no explanation and people cant control.
But these people think they control anything?

 Thanks

   
 

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1909 on: December 01, 2014, 08:26:52 PM »
Question????????

Doug1

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« Reply #1910 on: December 01, 2014, 08:40:47 PM »
Here is a better perspective of the circular thing I refer to as the commutator and of the version which uses split brushes. Maybe it will help you to wrap your head around it easier.

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« Reply #1911 on: December 01, 2014, 09:40:24 PM »
 Now what of this crazy thing. How could you utilize it as it is drawn?

 It may be assumed that all these lines connected the two together actually exist all at the same time. Not so, the represent positions to connect to that move current a little more or a little less to either the N coil or the S coil. Why ever would you want to do that?
  Could it be that if you were drawing a portion from the alternating current and converting it to direct that in that case you will unbalance the wave form of the alternating current?
   If that is the case, which it is.That should lead to you to figure out how he is rectifying the output so as to limit the alternating current being used to excite the inducers that came off the output before it enters at the same inputs as did the battery which started it. Another clue is the current from the battery will be equal to the current from the part or method to rectify the output.
   

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« Reply #1912 on: December 01, 2014, 10:21:31 PM »
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« Reply #1913 on: December 01, 2014, 11:04:32 PM »
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« Reply #1914 on: December 02, 2014, 04:26:23 AM »
Ignacio

 How do you adjust the current going to the inducers to re balance or compinsate for the rectified feed being used to replace the battery as a source? Both the working load and the power back in dc are off the output.

  You picture of the truck with the magnet pulling itself? How much $$$ do you want to spend to make one?

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« Reply #1915 on: December 02, 2014, 09:14:51 PM »
Ignacio

 How do you adjust the current going to the inducers to re balance or compinsate for the rectified feed being used to replace the battery as a source? Both the working load and the power back in dc are off the output.

  You picture of the truck with the magnet pulling itself? How much $$$ do you want to spend to make one?

¿Cómo rectificas la corriente de alimentación en los alternadores de los coches?
Estas imágenes me gustan. Je je  je

How can you rectify feed stream the  alternators in cars?
These images I like. Heh je je je

Doug1

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« Reply #1916 on: December 02, 2014, 11:18:57 PM »
Yes but the 6 diodes in an automotive alternator waste a lot to heat thats why the diodes are mounted to heat sinks and the alternator has a fan on the front. Even with that if the regulator over powers the field winding the diodes will cook and fail.

  I like your drawing to.

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« Reply #1917 on: December 03, 2014, 12:07:05 AM »
I have found a reference to the induced coil orientation in the Buforn´s patent No. 47706 (year 1910), the first of the 5 patents that Buforn filed copying Figuera´s 1908 patent. It is the only reference to the induced coil placement I could find in those patents.


"Our invention is also based on that other reasoning "If several spirals or loops are placed within a magnetic field in the plane of the magnetic meridian, from the time they start to rotate a current with weak voltage will appear, and those voltages will add up when the loops are placed one after the other."

Note that Buforn is referering to "the plane of the magnetic meridian". I suppose that the meridian is the line which joins both poles (as the geographical meridians join the Earth Poles).

It seems to suggest that the induce coil is placed perpendiculary to the electromagnets.

Could it be possible? What do you think of this?

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« Reply #1918 on: December 03, 2014, 03:49:44 AM »
Hanon,
 very good detective work i might add. it seems that Mr Buforn spills the beans more than we knew.
it also states that they do not need to be separated in any way like a III situation. the flux will transfer or rather be attracted to the iron core next to it. maybe they are just straight cores placed next to each other and the week sum of all cores add up to the total that one needs for his or her application .

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« Reply #1919 on: December 03, 2014, 04:10:55 AM »
Hanon,

Look at this for some info.
Not just earths field but any magnetic field.