It would be helpful if you actually state agree or not.

Doug, I am not sure what to agree or disagree. But, please, go ahead and complete your explanation. It may be easier for me to understand it before I take a time off from this forum.

I feel that I have nothing more to contribute at this time and would like to go into the construction part without interruptions from any kind. posting takes a big chunk out of my time.

If you have a core and a winding with a know output ,that is to say it was used for something ells.Say a welder or microwave oven. you have the mains coil which is a number of turns that can handle a number of amps in.It should have no problem giving that back as an output coil. The measure of that coil in terms of turns will have a value per turn in its function with an alternating current coil.
 in order to power the coil to its max flux linkage break down the current going to each turn and half that to divide it between two inducers that will be powering it the other way. the reason it does not normally work is because your not paying attention the current per turn in the inducers. You cant use the inducer as a single coil end to end. It has to be made up of a group of windings that are then grouped into a complete coil. So you can get a small amount of power to run the little groups in one inducer which collectively equal half the cycle of the Y coil. Then when you connect to the output and rectify it it will have enough power to run the little groups so they can work together to make the same amount flux as the whole inducer coil would have if you ran it end to end with a higher potential. The other option is the commutator which is harder to me but the com I posted before has four brushes. Its a simplified version. Between the brushes is a small wire of high resistance. The resistance is reduced as more brushes come in contact with the same segment more current can get to the magnet.The wire to the magnet off the last brush or first brush in a set has to able to handle all the current from the brushes in that set in total. The image shows two brushes each set but you can use as many as you feel like fooling with. the use of three segments to the commutator is a very curious and dubious design. pay attention the resulting wave form it would create in a nn or ss situated magnet.

Do you have a head ache yet? Silvanus and Thompson already wrote up the experiments which support all this in 1891. From then on it just got more diluted to gear it toward an economic engine to produce a lot of money for the few who had the means to construct machines that could be metered so they could charge for it.

The crickets are chirping in the silence.

The crickets are chirping in the silence.

You got me on this one, Doug.


I read it couple of times but still I was not able to get your message or what connection you are trying to make with whatever was being discussed before. I am not as smart as you. Thank you anyway for the effort!


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Maverick
  It would not be practical to power each turn separately even if if you could, you can power groups of turns with taps. The long coil can be broken up along it's resistance or length. the current need only be the same per turn with the same number of turns added together for the same length of coil to obtain the quantity of field equal to a long coil with lots of turns and lots of current.The turns are still there, the flux is still there but the input power is far less. Same way with using a commutator and multiple brushes to function as a controllable resistance. look at the number of segments marked out on the figurea's commutator. They start at one and run around to 16 or 17 but there is no place where it shows a segment connected to the center shaft just a pos sign near the center shaft. The circle is drawn with straight lines across the circle. It was normally assumed those lines some how connected the segments but it doesnt make sense because a lot of them are not connected to anything except the one opposite it in the circle if you think the lines connect them together. Look at the circle again, does it not look like a disk or wheel made from flat pieces of material stuck together and cut into a circle with a shaft for it to be spun on? So how would one turn that into a variable resister? You make it into a revolving rheostat or use a rheostat  and revolve the brushes around it. Using a single conductor zig zag or serpentine around the circumference with only one point of contact to the supply on one end of the wire. The block with the coiled resisters enables him to adjust the amount of current going to the inducers so he can even out the strength of the current in the two coils so they will be even when they are in action against each other. One of the tests is the force pushing the magnets apart needs to be equal between the two inducers when they are supplied with equal current at the same time. there wont be any induction in the Y coil when you null out the fields but there will be physical repulsion which can be measured using on old fashion ballistics rig to make the adjustments. Also described in some of the old books as to how to build one.
  I have a lot of resentment for prototypes.Is it easier for you to build tiny versions of something before you build the full size one? That seems very wasteful to me both in material and time. Not everything scales up evenly when your dealing with materials that deal with stress. Its more important you try to find the flaws in what I presented. Then after that is exhausted you can start thinking about the math to determine the materials required to build something of use.Of course you can always wing it if you like to do things that way also. I have no more use for a prototype then I have for a matchbox car on the hood of my actual car.
   

Doug,

As far as I have understood, you are proposing a method to increase the efficiency to excite the electromagnets without needing the resistors array (and then saving the heat dissipated in those). Am I right?

Are your proposing an electromagnet composed of several independent coils that you are firing sequentially to increase the magnetic field?

In that case you are increasing the efficiency of the input current? It is an optimization. I suppose that Figuera just used the resistors.

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Another subject: In this page, there is a design, by a person named Ignacio, with the induced coil perpendiculary to the electromagnets. Just for your consideration. We should test every possibility.

http://www.electricidadbasica.net/energias-renovables.htm


 

In my opinion this patent, in that it is so simplified compared to other patents that use the same technology, facilitates the understanding of the functioning of this concept.
  The method shown here was also described by Tesla, Smith and many others, there may be some differences fine, but always with the same principle.

thanks

Nelson,

In your opinion, which is the principle underlining in this patent?

Thanks