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hanon

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1440 on: August 16, 2014, 10:02:02 PM »
hanon


Can you post link to www page where you posted all Figuera and Buforn patents with translations ?


I think it is now quite clear how they worked, in theory.  ;)

Website site with all the documents:

http://www.alpoma.net/tecob/?page_id=8258

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« Reply #1441 on: August 16, 2014, 11:04:22 PM »
Hey Cadman. I don't think that modification would be necessary, and here's why. If you look at the photo that Marathonman posted, you see the fields "breaking out" at the center of the output coil. Now if the action that produces output is based on that "breaking out" point sweeping through the coil, then the amp-turns aren't as critical.

My initial thoughts about the Figuera generator was some special phase/transformer action, something that produced some special output. But like you said, under normal conditions and effects, it won't produce good output. So I've been trying to wrap my head around the actual action, the method that produces the effect. If you watched Gotoluc's videos, you'll see what it is. Like Marathonman's photo, it's the sweeping field that produces current.

To simplify the action, you need two like poles "breaking-out" at the center of the output coil. Then you move it back and forth. I've attached the circuit that I tried last night on my dual-primary transformer. The two primaries are arranged with like-poles facing each other. The purpose of the resistor is to provide a constant current to both coils. As the center-tapped transformer goes through 180 degrees, it produces the sweeping effect. As it is shown, this did produce more output than if the two primaries were simply wired in series and fed AC from the transformer..

In my opinion, the action is incredibly simple. It can be produced in many ways. Say, with two permanent magnets, like poles facing, and two primaries being fed AC. Or with two DC coils and two AC coils.


Hello and welcome antijon!

Could you please tell where in your circuit is the input (AC mains) and where the N and S electromagnets are connected?
A full schematic would be awesome (just draw by hand, take a picture and upload).
Also, do you happen to have one of those energy meters to check out the consumption?
What is the resistance and power rating of the resistor?

I do experiments from time to time and would like to replicate this setup to see for myself what's going on and report any good results.

Thanks in advance.

Dann

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1442 on: August 16, 2014, 11:36:27 PM »
Is there a cure for the post and pic's that are oversized???? I hope that I am not the only one that has to scroll right then left then down then right....... to read every post. It is quite annoying. Does anyone else have the same problem?

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1443 on: August 17, 2014, 12:01:15 AM »
Is there a cure for the post and pic's that are oversized? ??? I hope that I am not the only one that has to scroll right then left then down then right....... to read every post. It is quite annoying. Does anyone else have the same problem?

Yes. 
the solution is: If everybody were to upload pictures with max 800x600 pixel sizes (and not 1200x or higher) then the page would not be oversized horizontally and we would not have to scroll to the right.
Stefan Hartmann has already written this somewhere...

The remedy for an oversized picture would be to resize it for a lower pixel number by the uploader, within 12 hours after he or she posted it.  This would involve deleting it from the forum  (uncheck attachment) and after resizing it could be uploaded again.  After 12 hours the Modify button disappears and you cannot edit your posts, only the Moderator can.

Gyula

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1444 on: August 17, 2014, 08:53:28 AM »
Is there a cure for the post and pic's that are oversized? ??? I hope that I am not the only one that has to scroll right then left then down then right....... to read every post. It is quite annoying. Does anyone else have the same problem?

Hi!

If you are a firefox user check out "Image zoom" add on. It lets you resize any image displayed just by holding down the right mouse button and turning the mouse wheel. So If the text is out of screen, you have to check the page for large images, right click and scroll on them and then you can read the page.
Here: https://addons.mozilla.org/sl/firefox/addon/image-zoom/

Not exactly a fix, but more like a remedy. Hope it helps

Dann

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1445 on: August 17, 2014, 06:49:08 PM »
Yes i know i am guilty as charged and i will make sure from now on the pics are smaller. i just forget that my Monitor is 46 inch not 19 or 20. i don't ever run into these problems with a large screen. i use to have a 60 inch monitor but that's in the living room now.
So will the pic of the double pinch effect work or not i am curious to try though but i don't have enough core material yet.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1446 on: August 18, 2014, 04:55:13 PM »
Hannon,
 I thought Figueras devise put out 550 volts.? if you say less than 10 volts per coil then that is one hell of a loss coming from 100 volt @ 1 amp stimulating. to me this does not seem correct at all. at 550 % 7 coils is 78.5 volts. where do you get your figures. please explain!

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« Reply #1447 on: August 18, 2014, 06:43:19 PM »
Yeah. 8) We got it guys. ;D It is as said by Senior Figuera, current can be produce by varying the intensity of the Exciter Electromagnets with the very well known principle of Increase and Decrease. The Exciter Electromagnets is the most crucial design so that this varying intensity of magnetism will be induced perfectly to the Induced Coils/Generating Coils.

It was clearly cited by Senior Figuera on all of his patents, one must think deeply to really understand those simple words/translation to fully understand this very simple concept which derive from Faraday.

The perfect design for the Exciter Electromagnets ;

1. Two Perpetual Motion Holder(PMH) facing each end-by using this kind of core the 1st Electromagnet is bend so end  of the U shape core will project South and North.

2. The Homopolar Design of Nikola Tesla with very clear winding direction and magnetic poles of the Exciter Electromagnets being of opposite pole while a disk is rotating inside.

3. The Patent 30378 is another best design for the Exciter Electromagnets of this Figuera Generator.

The rotating resistor is the swiping component that well make this Two Exciter Electromagnets vary in intensity. The 1st Electromagnet is being increase, at the same time the other Electromagnet is being decrease; vice versa. The Elementary drawn Resistor of Senior Figuera is being swipe from Left to Right and Right to Left. The input source on the Elementary Resistor is the Positive Terminal connected in each level of Resistance.

So we could say that when the Pin(Wiper) in the Middle of this Elementary Resistor  the Two Electromagnets are being power with the same intensity of Positive Terminal. When the Wiper is on the Left of this Resistor the less Resistance(e.g. the N Electromagnet= North + South) is on the maximum magnetic field while at the same time the more Resistance (the S Electromagnet=South + North)  Electromagnets is on the minimum magnetic field.

It is so simple as per Senior Figuera stated he just improvised how a rotating dynamo principle work into a Motionless device. We need a Two Electromagnet with two North and two South, if you could bend the core is much better.


Meow

Hey Cadman. I don't think that modification would be necessary, and here's why. If you look at the photo that Marathonman posted, you see the fields "breaking out" at the center of the output coil. Now if the action that produces output is based on that "breaking out" point sweeping through the coil, then the amp-turns aren't as critical.

My initial thoughts about the Figuera generator was some special phase/transformer action, something that produced some special output. But like you said, under normal conditions and effects, it won't produce good output. So I've been trying to wrap my head around the actual action, the method that produces the effect. If you watched Gotoluc's videos, you'll see what it is. Like Marathonman's photo, it's the sweeping field that produces current.

To simplify the action, you need two like poles "breaking-out" at the center of the output coil. Then you move it back and forth. I've attached the circuit that I tried last night on my dual-primary transformer. The two primaries are arranged with like-poles facing each other. The purpose of the resistor is to provide a constant current to both coils. As the center-tapped transformer goes through 180 degrees, it produces the sweeping effect. As it is shown, this did produce more output than if the two primaries were simply wired in series and fed AC from the transformer..

In my opinion, the action is incredibly simple. It can be produced in many ways. Say, with two permanent magnets, like poles facing, and two primaries being fed AC. Or with two DC coils and two AC coils.

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« Reply #1448 on: August 18, 2014, 07:04:26 PM »
All is the same with the Law of Induction. Put many coils on the Induced Coils connect them on parallel for more amperage output. Connect this coils in series for more Voltage output. As long as this Induced Coils are being cut with the lines of force of the Magnets/Electromagnets.

This coils can be cut with the lines of flux of Magnets rotating the Magnets or the Induced Coils.

Figuera's principle is of being born and dying Magnetic Lines= which is equal to Varying the intensity of the Exciter Electromagnets by feeding it with Increasing and Decreasing Magnetic Field.Sounds the same with the principle Approaching magnetic field and moving away Magnetic field.

One must understand how a DC Dynamo works to produce current, which is also describe by Senior Figuera on most of his patent. The same principle with this Figuera Generator it works on the DC Dynamo principle, a Coil wound in a bar of laminated iron, when the Magnet is passing with a magnetic pole of North on top and South in the bottom it moves away, and the Magnetic pole now approace the Coil with a magnetic pole of South on top and North in the bottom.

The same goes for the Figuera Generator instead of rotating the Magnets, the Wound Coil is being hit with the Magnetic lines of reversing Magnetic field; let say the 1st Electromagnet project North on top, and South in the bottom with Maximum magnetic strength, while the 2nd Electromagnet project not much on this cycle because it is on the Minimum Magnetic strength.

When the wiper moves to the Maximum Magnetic strength of 2nd Electromagnet which project South on top and North in the bottom. The Induced Coils now are already cut with the magnetic lines of Reversing field because the Induced Coils is stationary. The 1st Electromagnet project not much on this cycle because it in on the Minimum Magnetic strength..


Meow    :D :D






Hannon,
 I thought Figueras devise put out 550 volts.? if you say less than 10 volts per coil then that is one hell of a loss coming from 100 volt @ 1 amp stimulating. to me this does not seem correct at all. at 550 % 7 coils is 78.5 volts. where do you get your figures. please explain!

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« Reply #1449 on: August 18, 2014, 07:44:52 PM »
Hannon,
 I thought Figueras devise put out 550 volts.? if you say less than 10 volts per coil then that is one hell of a loss coming from 100 volt @ 1 amp stimulating. to me this does not seem correct at all. at 550 % 7 coils is 78.5 volts. where do you get your figures. please explain!

Figuera obtained 550 volts and 15 HP as you said in his 1902 generator, as reported in the press from that year. The reference to 20 KW output ( 300 A  @ around 60 volts) is from the Buforn patent from 1910 which was a copy of Figuera 1908 patent. We dont have to mess it up between both different patents  from Figuera: he filed 4 patents in 1902, and he filed his last patent, the one with the commutator, in 1908. I think that concepts used in 1902 patents and sold to bankers are not the same than those issued in 1908

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« Reply #1450 on: August 18, 2014, 09:00:16 PM »
hanon

I see Buforn filled a lot of patents and had described a lot inside. Any chance to translate all those patents into English ? I'm especially interest if he directly or indirectly mentioned Lenz law and how he eliminated it in his setup. Is there any better automatic free online translator then "google translate" ?

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1451 on: August 19, 2014, 01:15:15 AM »
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One must understand how a DC Dynamo works to produce current

That is the foundation to build upon. If you understand how a dynamo works and the principals behind it then you see plainly how this motionless generator works. There is a wealth of information available that teaches the fundamentals and the mathematical formulas used in dynamo design.

The Figuera / Buforn design is founded on a modified standard dynamo design. The concept drawings below show how I think this generator evolved in their minds between 1902 and 1914. You can see how the 1908 version is just a representation of one magnetic circuit path of a standard generator. In the 1914 representation you can see how the field coils make use of both their poles, which a standard dynamo and the 1908 configuration do not. The 1908 and later patent drawings do not show the magnetic circuit because it was well understood and the point of the patent was the variation of the fields.

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« Reply #1452 on: August 19, 2014, 01:19:51 AM »
The discussion about pole orientation comes from time ago. The problem is that Figuera in 1908 patent did not clearly stated the pole orientation (nor in the 1908 patent, neither Buforn did it in his latter 5 more patents !!!). I will copy literally what it is written in the 1908 patent (both in the text and in the claims) so that everyone may judge if this a properly way of defining the pole orientation or maybe it is just a patent notation “trick” using the letters “N” and “S”

IN THE DESCRIPTION: “Suppose that electromagnets are represented by rectangles N and S. Between their poles is located the induced circuit represented by the line “y” (small)”

IN THE CLAIMS: “The machine is essentially characterized by two series of electromagnets which form the inductor circuit, between whose poles the reels of the induced are properly placed.”

What a way of defining the pole orientation if he is just calling them as "rectangles N and S". Note that Figuera left the claims open to any kind of orientation. Suspicious? ...

Buforn filed 5 more patents after Figuera's death in 1908. I have not translated them because they all are exact copies of the Figuera 1908 patent. More literature but the same device. You can see it by comparing Buforn's drawings with the drawing from Figuera in 1908.... almost photocopies.

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« Reply #1453 on: August 19, 2014, 01:38:01 AM »
In dynamos and generators the induced coil itself determines the polarity of the field magnets. Picture a rectangular coil, one side of the coil must be induced by a positive field and the other side by a negative. If both sides are induced by the same polarity field coil the induced emf of each side will cancel the other and there will be no output. That is fact. Now whether or not each side of the induced coil may be induced by a double set of same polarity field coils is not mentioned and may well be worth investigating. However there is a point where the iron core or teeth of the induced can be over saturated and the induction currents produced in the induced fields can seriously counter the inducing field and lower the output.

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« Reply #1454 on: August 19, 2014, 06:25:22 AM »
Thank you Hanon for clarifying that.
I agree also with the rectangles, they are never called North and south just n and s. this leaves it to open for interpretation  even after reading it many, many times.
Cadman i am planning to pursue the double pinch effect as nothing else has worked very good to date for me so off i go again.