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Author Topic: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE  (Read 2358271 times)

antijon

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Hi all, Jon, new guy here. After doing a lot of reading, I decided to see if I can contribute, so pleasure to meet everyone. Honestly, been reading OU forum posts for the past few years since I discovered RexResearch.

I haven't gone through and read all 90-something pages of the topic, but I'm curious as to why the design has been 3 vertical coils, side by side. Is this what the consensus has determined as an accurate replication? It looks similar to the bi-toroid transformer design, which may give you positive results due to the multiple flux paths (primary coils aiding secondary self-inductance, instead of opposing), but at higher power levels the mutual induction between the coils will make it behave as a simple push-pull transformer, right?

I'm going to try to replicate a design with three coils, end to end, in a linear fashion. Looking at Figueras patents, that seems to be his method of obtaining the necessary phase lag between the first primary, secondary, and second primary.

Props to you guys using a 555. I've always fried them, so I'll be getting my 180 from a center-tapped, rectified transformer. Although, I won't be able to make it self-sustaining without a commutator or inverter (as we can see in the Figueras-Buforn patent that he loops the negative of the coils back to the commutator with a switch to make it self-sustaining.)

This may be a silly question, but has anyone replicated a working device yet?

Doug1

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Spent 12 hours looking into the soft iron situation. There are very few mines still operating that mine iron and even fewer plants to process it. It just isnt used any more like it was a 100+ yrs ago. It rusts away quickly and has little strength on it's own so more exotic materials have replaced it.There are more copper mines then ore mines and those are very toxic compared to ores so it not a pollution problem which has curtailed ore mines. The little bit used today is expensive because of demand being so low it costs more to get it out of the ground on small scale then say coal or copper which is in demand but competitive with more operations or mines in service. Kind of sucks if your thinking that to save the world you need soft iron.
  Even if you find soft iron to be the magic bullet you will find it takes a pretty big order to get it cheap enough to effect the price. The pieces of rod used to calibrate compasses doesnt look like the type of material from a 100 yrs ago. It should rust quickly and leaving it on a store room shelf as inventory it would very much rust and not be nice a silvery looking.
  Soft iron is how ever very good at making a magnet from current.With that said it has not stopped electromagnet production or use because soft iron fell out of favor with industry. they just use more wire or core materials which are available to compensate the number of lines of force required.
  The patent is an abstract drawing to explain a process of operation. The method is the means not the material. Abstract like a f'ed up painting some mentally abused person turns into a story.Its not literal. No offense to any mentally abused art critics in the room.

marathonman

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For some F-ed up reason that last sentence made a lot of sense .
so if it is totally abstract then we have been barking up the wrong tree from the git go.

RandyFL

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No offense to any mentally abused art critics in the room...
:-)
The stuff I got from Ed Fagan Inc. was expensive compared to steel...but the jury is out on how well it performs. I guess pure Fe comes in pellets.
Will find a source for it eventually.


Doug1

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Randy
 when I was a kid I used to play along a rail way line that went through a woodded area with freinds. U,S, Steel would get shipments of lose balls of the stuff we used for shot in our slingshots. It looked like lava rock turned into 3/8ths inch balls.It was as hard as ball bearings but not perfect shape. Had I known then. Well any way it used to fall off the train cars a lot. But there is a place to look for some if you live near an old steel mill or you can try to research what rail lines that ran between mills and mines.Most of the old locations have been closed a long time now. Im not sure the stuff would'nt have lasted this long without rusting away.
  Marathonman
 When the impossible is removed what ever is left.

shadow119g

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Doug 1:
I am a lot older than I am willing to admit, however, way back in grade school, i learned that
steel was made for molten Iron ore that had oxygen blasted through it from the bottom. Here
is part of the definition from "Wikipedia."

"Steelmaking is the process for producing steel from iron and ferrous scrap. In steelmaking, impurities such as nitrogen, silicon, phosphorus, and excess carbon are removed from the raw iron, and alloying elements such as manganese, nickel, chromium and vanadium are added to produce different grades of steel. Limiting dissolved gases such as nitrogen and oxygen, and entrained impurities (termed "inclusions") in the steel is also important to ensure the quality of the products cast from the liquid steel.[1] There are two major processes for making steel, namely basic oxygen steelmaking which has liquid pig-iron from the blast furnace and scrap steel as the main feed materials, and electric arc furnace (EAF) steelmaking which uses scrap steel or direct reduced iron (DRI) as the main feed materials. Oxygen steelmaking is fuelled predominantly by the exothermic nature of the reactions inside the vessel where as in EAF steelmaking, electrical energy is used to melt the solid scrap and/or DRI materials. In recent times, EAF steelmaking technology has evolved closer to oxygen steelmaking as more chemical energy is introduced into the process."

Thanks to all for your efforts

Swamp


shadow119g

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RandyFL:

If you don't mind, about how much did you pay for the iron bar stock?
It is totally OK If you don' want to divulge that information.
I have been trying to get a price from them on line, but, I haven't
called them.
I bought some small .5 inch round bar stock from one company
that, when tested my the "spark test" turned out to be polished
steel.
It worked as well as the "hot rolled steel" I used for my "Figeura"
project except for losses for being round instead of square that
fit the plastic spools.
In fact, I tried round ferrite, round steel, and square steel, and the
square steel won by a substantial amount. I am sure the reason
is that there was more steel in 1/2" square hole.

Good luck to all.

Swamp 

hanon

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    • https://figueragenerator.wordpress.com/

I have been thinking that it is easier to get two signals 90 out of phase with an alternator than relying on electronics, which are difficult to design and implement (at least for me). I have 3 ideas which seems to be very easy to test with just an old car alternator from scrapping:


   *** 1) Rewind a common three phase alternator
(3 signals120º out of phase) in order to get a two phase output (2 signals 90º out of phase). Later each signals can be rectified with a diode to get two positive and opposite signals. Here I post links to two winding booklets (they are in spanish, but are easy to understand) with two phase winding diagrams for different number of poles and slots:

http://www.mediafire.com/?mleytebyse86ehk  (see from page 127 in the pdf file)

http://www.mediafire.com/?2rvgz46rkx5a8i2   (see from page 60 in the pdf file)


   *** 2) Use a common three phase alternator and then use a Scott Connection (T Connection) to convert the 3 phase output to a two phase output. A Scott T Transformer Connection is just two transformers with intermediate taps connection (see image attached below). Also very simple to implement. Some links:

http://electrical-engineering-portal.com/scott-t-transformer-connection-overview

http://blog.aulamoisan.com/2013/05/conexion-scott-de-red-trifasica-red.html


   *** 3) Use a common three phase alternator to feed the Figuera generator. Maybe taking two signals at 120º won´t get a 100% optimized output but perhaps it may work too. Who knows... It is worth to try it. As you guess this is also very simple to test.  ;)

I hope this could help everyone.

RandyFL

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I paid 160.00 which included the shipping...
I'm about a couple of days from finishing up scraping the hard edges off...then I'll wrap them with 26 AWG ( primaries ) and 16 AWG ( secondaries )...
I still have a couple suppliers that I might approach if this batch of soft iron doesn't measure up.

Scrap yards still use electro magnets to lift scrap metal...
when the demand for soft iron comes back ( and I believe it will ). We will be on the fore front of the new wave of technology.


RandyFL

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Hanon,
I've been thinking about 3 phases from the Clemente Fig. generator...
there are 7 transformers ---------14 primaries and 7 secondaries

Can/could one of the 7 secondaries recharge the battery...and the other 6 be paired to a 3 phase motor with each pair tuned with enough resistance and capacitance to the correct phase....Hope I worded that correctly...

All the best
RandyFL

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Hello antijon - welcome

I built the solid state device using the 555...when I was satisfied with the results I started working on the transformers... And the quest for the elusive soft iron.

All the best
RandyFL

marathonman

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easiest Quadrature i have found to date in one of my Electronic books. outputs are 90* out of Phase.
Sorry the preview was not that big!

antijon

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Thanks RandyFL... After seeing you guys talking about 90 degree phases, I think I was wrong about the phase lagging in the coils, but why 90 degrees? I thought the two primary coils were in antiphase.. fill me in?

RandyFL

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How much do you know about electricity?

antijon

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@RandyFL I'm a refrigeration tech so I know quite a bit from real world experience.. though my knowledge in solid state circuits is lacking, I can play safely with lethal voltage and currents. Why do you ask?