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Author Topic: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE  (Read 2366021 times)

hanon

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1200 on: April 04, 2014, 01:28:03 AM »
I have also made tests with like poles and a pancake in between, it was very dissapointing, no voltage or any microamps.

Dieter, note that when testing like poles facing each other you have to provide two unphased signals to the electromagnets (for creating the swing back and forth of the collision plane between both fields) and you have to provide room for the movement of the magnetic lines in order to cut the induced wires. A pancake coil between two close electromagnets will not let the wire be cut by the movement of the magnetic lines.

Please read this file:
http://www.overunity.com/12794/re-inventing-the-wheel-part1-clemente_figuera-the-infinite-energy-machine/dlattach/attach/131133/

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1201 on: April 04, 2014, 04:43:49 AM »
Hanon,


In my test the pancake was very small in terms of total copper mass, maybe that's why I had failed. You have to try it. Build it !!  You may be able to make tape coils with rolls of aluminum foil, and plastic foil interleaved. Tho not shure how Alu performs in induction.


Go for it!


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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1202 on: April 04, 2014, 07:25:40 AM »
dieter




It's simple....
About Columbus egg : he did that by hit egg on tabletop damaging the tip.Another way is by fast rotating it. However the most natural way is to hold egg using two fingers and I think Figuera could thought about two equal and opposite forces : one on top and one on bottom...
Now you tell me if there is any other way to keep egg standing ?

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1203 on: April 04, 2014, 02:37:39 PM »
Hi Forest,
 
I have to tell you that in Spanish the expression “egg of Columbus” is frequently used when something is very simple but it is difficult to guess at first. I think Figuera used this expression in this sense, not to communicate any idea about the configuration of the device. But who knows…
 
In your post from yesterday you commented that all coils must be in series  and the commutator will power sequentially each one. Could you draw an sketch to show this configuration? I cannot guess how 14 coils are in series and then how the Figuera´s commutator is connected to those 14 coils. Depending on these connections the magnetic field will be different. Please an sketch will be very valuable. Thanks
 

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1204 on: April 04, 2014, 04:28:17 PM »
hanon


I wish I could but commutator is black magic for me. My brain is working first on impressions and not matter how silly it looks it never failed. Flat pancake output coils in parallel makes required amplification factor by rising output current. To do that as you described exact and opposite poles are needed and output coils placed in the middle (exactly!) . Then imagine how commutator connects/disconnects coils on one side to lower field strength while the other side is stable connection (that solve strange commutator one side only while second is simple pass). Changing need to be discovered yet , maybe it is such : one coil then 2 coils then 3 coils and so on up to the final amount to make field strength then same (but opposite) as on other side , then flip sides.


The best would be to check having 4 coils only : 2+2 and trying to see how field can be moved

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1205 on: April 06, 2014, 10:59:48 AM »
Hanon;

very interesting concept and worth pursuing but copper foil is expensive and is not coated. one would have to coat manually and that would take some time unless someone knows where to get pre coated foil.???????

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1206 on: April 06, 2014, 02:34:28 PM »
Marathonman

 MWS Wire Industries
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 Catalog= TechBook 082011 Pdf.
 If you can find the catalog online there is information in there you didn't even know you wanted to know. They make stuff you haven't even dreamed of yet. I will try to upload the catalog as an attachment but I dont have very good luck with it. If it is there good if not it didn't work.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1207 on: April 06, 2014, 08:28:03 PM »
Thought I let you know, I modified my core to act like a BiTT. It definitly had a huge impact. eg. without it, I was able to get 200 mW from two secondaries in series, now this gives nothing at all anymore. I was however able to squeeze out a new record of 245 mW, compared to a max potential dissipation of 308 mW, but there are clues that the power factor was way under 1. When I attached the device directly to the supply, regardless of the tiny impedance of the primaries (dc resiststance about 14 ohm together), the supply remained cool and the wattmeter showed zero watts. Without the cap however, the dissipation went up to 7 watts. Without the core mod it usually  used to dissipate up to 20 Watts, way too much for the supply, so in that case it was getting very hot quickly.


This BiTT thing really seems to work. The temperature of a supply is a good indicator (when there is no oscilloscope) for effective dissipation, when the inductive load has only a few dc ohms...


Looks a bit taped and glued together, actually it is, but anywho...
« Last Edit: April 06, 2014, 10:33:07 PM by dieter »

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1208 on: April 06, 2014, 10:53:53 PM »
Marathonman

 MWS Wire Industries
 31200 Cedar Valley Drive
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 818 991 8553
 Catalog= TechBook 082011 Pdf.
 If you can find the catalog online there is information in there you didn't even know you wanted to know. They make stuff you haven't even dreamed of yet. I will try to upload the catalog as an attachment but I dont have very good luck with it. If it is there good if not it didn't work.

Doug;

 I have a MWS catalog already in my possession but i didn't know whether the copper foil roll was coated or not. MWS is very expensive also and they don't sell partial rolls. i priced 18 awg wire at almost two thousand Dollars. OUCH !

Here is copper roll but i don't think it is coated so i will have to coat it myself.  http://basiccopper.com/10-mil-010-inch-.html

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1209 on: April 07, 2014, 12:11:38 AM »
Dieter,
 
Thanks for sharing your results!! I don´t know if a capacitor unphases the intensity by 90º or it just unphases the voltaje. I am not sure of the answer. We are still far from the original design of Mr. Figuera.
 
About the document with the tape coil and like poles facing each other, after publishing that paper I realized that the induced field in fact oppose to the inducer field. I did a mistake and I applied the Fleming left hand rule (used for motors) and latter I learnt that I should had used Fleming right hand rule, which is the correct rule to be aplied for generators. So the induced filed actually is the contrary to the one I stated, and finally it really oppose to the inducer field.

If you think about the Buforn´s patent with all the electromangnets in a row, putting the group of 3 coils in series and one after the other, he said that with this configuration you could use the two poles of each electromagnet. This mean that with the basic group of 3 coils (electromagnet + induced + electromagnet) one pole of each electromagnet is not used. Thus, the configuration should have a pole in each electromagnet spoiled, and then, the only configuration which matches this situation is with the 3 cores forming a line. I don´t know but for any reason Buforn did not close the coil arrangement forming a perfect toroid. For any reason he kept it open in it sides. Tesla also used transformers with open magnetic paths (louse coupling). Maybe an open magnetic circuit is the way to tap energy from the surroundings. I don´t know. Just thinking loudly.
 
 

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1210 on: April 07, 2014, 05:28:46 AM »
Robert Adams used a type of opened end magnetic path and got massive efficiency in the 800% range so there has to be something to it.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1211 on: April 07, 2014, 10:24:15 PM »
Marathonman,


You mean Adams from NZ who made the Adams motor that later became the Bedini SSG? Have you got any links?


Hanon,


You are right, neighter BiTT cores nor caps are part of the Figuera Patent. But it may be interesting to see further things you can do with the tri-coil device. And if there's free energy, we will take it anyway I guess.


Now, the simplicity of the following is surprising, considering the impact it may have, while it seems to be unused:


The cap brings the voltage in a -90° phase to the current, right? We know an inductor causes the magnetic field immediately. It is the induced, that brings the current in -90°, right? (or we could say the voltage in +90°.)
So what is probably happening here, is: The inducer works 90° out of phase all the time, so it dissipates only reactive energy, the induced does however work normally, except in this BiTT it will not return the Back MMF to Sender, but deflect it to the additional core parts, so the primaries are not affected.


Fact is, it worked only within about 50 to 150 uF. But we should also mention, that it doesn't mean much when such a wall wattmeter reads zero Watt. Although, with the wrong capacity it read 7 watt, so...


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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1212 on: April 08, 2014, 01:52:17 AM »
Sorry I didn't see the question before.

Hi Doug:

I have to admit that I have not used a resistor in between the coils in my tests while using low voltage and high amperage currents. If it works it is fine as it can cut down on the amount of wire and can reduce the cost significantly.

What is the kind of resistance that you would advise to be used for a 12 volts and 16 amps current source. It is a pretty decent 192 watts and the amperage is also significant.

12 watts or 12v one amp.
 


Assume we have two inductors and one induced.

Should we use the resistors between the transformer output wires and the inductors if the inductors are in parallel.

Should we use the 3 resistors if the inductors are in series. one from transformer to primary 1 beginning, one between primary 1 end to primary 2 beginneing and one between primary 2 end to transformer.

Now what is the kind of resistance that you would advise to be used in these places for the current source of 16 amps and 12 volts. Please advise and let me test. I will post results after testing.

Like the picture,I added the switch according to the text.
"Here what it is constantly changing is the intensity of the excitatory current which drives the electromagnets and this is accomplished using a resistance,through which circulates a proper current, which is taken from one foreign origin into one or more electromagnets, magnetize one or more electromagnets and while the current is >higher or lower<(not on or off) the magnetization of the electromagnets is decreasing or increasing and varying (not off), >therefore the intensity of the magnetic field is the flow which crosses the induced circuit<.
 As seen in the patent drawing the current, once that has made its function, returns to the generator where taken;(no it doesn't really show that) naturally in every revolution of the brush will be a change of sign in the induced current(? does that imply the induced circuit is returned to the same connections of the source) but a switch will do it continuous if wanted( what switch? A switch instead of the resister aray? Or it is switched from the original source to a self acting mode). From this current is derived a small part to excite the machine converting it in self-exciting and to operate the small motor which moves the brush and the switch( and? not or?); the external current supply, this is the feeding current, is removed and the machine continue working without any help indefinitely.

First. Give completely for free, electrical currents continuous or alternate of any voltage and applicable to:

 Take some consideration that in Tesla's patent Method of obtaining direct currents from alternating currents #413,353. A stationary magnetic field can be used to block half the wave form of an alternating current to produce dc current. The inducers if provided with low current continuously and alternately given impulses of higher current still maintains the requirement of acting like a diode while shifting the field strength between the inducers. So long as the magnetic poles do not reverse. The only way to keep all this activity is to keep the inducers fields apart. NN or SS with induced in between.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1213 on: April 09, 2014, 05:21:41 AM »
Hi Doug:

Thank you very much..It does appear that adding a resistor to the primary would decrease substantially the input amperage and V=IR(and power factor in AC). When power factor remains the same adding a resistor to the primary should bring down the amperage in the primary. Yes it must certainly reduce the length of the coil used and result in considerable savings on wire and we can use less wire of greater size. Probably this is why the resistor circuit was used by Figuera to send the current to the primary electromagnets. Let me check that and confirm to you. I will need to check if the output amperage and voltage remains the same after the input amperage is brought down. Again Thank you very much for the enlightening guidance. I'm obliged.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1214 on: April 09, 2014, 11:49:42 AM »
There was a time in early history when people made their own resisters actually not that far back. Made from common and handy junk they had laying around, graphite makes a nice resister if you can get it. I like pencil refills. If it goes poof so what cut another one a little longer or use a small diameter wire it also acts as a fuse and can be used to build a carbon light in a pinch. I doubt they had radio shack or nicrome wire in the late 1800's.If they did it wasnt easy to get. You could build a very nice rotating resister distributor that is adjustable in the resistance at each segment with it;s own sliding contact so the contacts can be moved up and down the resister material.