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Author Topic: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE  (Read 1843532 times)

Offline Doug1

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1125 on: March 24, 2014, 09:50:11 PM »
 I do not know how to make these measurements but I do know that these problems are present in AC measurements. Last week for an input of 220 volts and 15 amps I hit an output of 300 volts and 10 Amps. I had a load of 14 x200 watts lamps glowing very bright. But unless the amperage at the output also goes beyond the 15 amps input, we cannot be sure of COP>1 performance. This output of 300 volts and 10 amps came out of using only one of the three modules of the Figuera device.

 Check your watts, most likely a RMS average wont allow for coming closer or further from coil resonance. There is only 300watt difference in watts,you might want to record log your inputs you might find a variance due to a sagging line voltage from your utility lines or over compensation at certain times when they expect a greater demand during the work day to prevent brown outs.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1126 on: March 24, 2014, 11:16:54 PM »
Hello Hanon!

I fiddled with the simulation software, until it refused to work (lol) and this is the only thing i could came up with. In other configurations with one or two transformers, something would always short out, so this is the best I could do.

The transformer outputs are all 24V, but also 12V could be used for a low power version. You can use one transformer with 3 separate outputs or one with two outputs (for the AC part) and another with one (for the DC part). For the consumption of the transformers and the loads see second picture below. The power rating of the resistors R1 and R4 has to be at least 25Weach, as for R2 and R5 has to be at least 40W each. You can also use adequate lightbulbs instead of resistors.

Total consumption: around 150W, total usable output: around 24W

Make sure the coils for the two electromagnets are 6 ohms each (for the 24V version) and it should work fine.

http://s26.postimg.org/edyigsgu1/Double_offset_ac_generator_for_Figuera_with_3_tr.jpg

http://s26.postimg.org/mjzg4ts1l/Double_offset_ac_generator_for_Figuera_with_3_tr.jpg


Dann


Hi Dann,

Thank you very much !!
 
I see that you have simulation skills. I would like you to try to simulate your previous circuit but instead of using 2 DC sources maybe you can sustitute them by 2 diode briges and 2 capacitor (using a kind of scheme similar to the one included in  post  #1064) in order to convert AC current into the DC (where required). This way we could skip mixing AC and DC sources and we will just need AC. Also we will save the 2 transformers. Do you think it is possible?

It will be nice to have all your circuit based just on one standard AC source. I think there will be more wires and diodes but the final result will be easier to implement. Don´t you think so?

Thanks in advance!!

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1127 on: March 24, 2014, 11:54:03 PM »
Dieter,

Keep on with your good work. It would be nice that when you finish your research you would do a pdf file with your all your findings. All this info divided  in many post into a chaotic forum is difficult to asimilate by us. I think you are dicovering one of those thing that are not explained by current EM theory. A final paper will be good for sharing your findings with other people outside this forum. Go ahead!!

Dann,
Thank you very much from the deep of my heart. You have got what we have been looking for since many months: a very simple and reliable circuit. Thank you!!!  If you make any further improvement in the circuit do not forget to post it. I am sure that it will be used by many people.


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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1127 on: March 24, 2014, 11:54:03 PM »
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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1128 on: March 25, 2014, 01:27:55 AM »
Doug:

Thanks for the advice. I do not have watt meters and we will need to buy them.

You are particularly accurate in your descrption. We have voltage fluctuations here and depending on input voltage the output voltage and amperage also changes. If the input voltage is higher the output is also at the higher end. Output decreases when the input voltage decreases. Both input and output use the same analog Ammeters but I would agree that the anlog meters show different readings when they are swapped. So I would concede a measurement error. My request is what are the precise equipment that should be used to measure the output and do I need to maintain the same resisitive load to calculate. That is not known to me. I would be greatful and obliged if you can guide how to measure and maintain the log for AC currents.

Thanks in advance..

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1129 on: March 25, 2014, 03:31:10 AM »
OK guys, one last circuit.

I looked back on this thread and I saw an interesting idea in post #1075 by Hanon. My concern with that idea was that the AC transformer would heat up because of the DC pumped through it, but I did a simulation and everything seems to be OK - at least in the simulation.

So this is what I came up with (see first picture below), two transformers, one bridge and a rheostat - very simple.
The first transformer for the AC side has an output of 2 X 12V (or 24V center tapped) and consumes about 10W. The second transformer for the DC side has an output of 24V and consumes around 45W. The load (lightbulbs) consumes around 18W on each output and the rheostat (47 ohm at 20%) is for adjusting offset and consumes around 17W. You can se the consumptions on the second picture below.

The resistances of the coils (for the electromagnets) has to be 36 ohm each if attached to the outputs of this circuit.

OK Hanon and guys, I think this is what you've been looking for, enjoy it!

http://s26.postimg.org/6a9a1xhdl/Double_offset_ac_generator_for_Figuera_with_2_tr.jpg

http://s26.postimg.org/71207pjqx/Double_offset_ac_generator_for_Figuera_with_2_tr.jpg


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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1129 on: March 25, 2014, 03:31:10 AM »
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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1130 on: March 25, 2014, 08:38:34 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HH8VvFeu2lQ
Here also one output coil shorted. (it Ф transformer) Efficienty of it about 190 precents, but or there some errors or not wery simple it make, because I not get that results like this gay in this video (but I not 100 precents exatly make like he, I use different cores, other wire and so on).

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1131 on: March 25, 2014, 11:46:44 AM »
"My request is what are the precise equipment that should be used to measure the output and do I need to maintain the same resisitive load to calculate. That is not known to me. I would be greatful and obliged if you can guide how to measure and maintain the log for AC currents."

 Yes use the same load to test but without the right equipment I dont know how to rig up a substitute to measure the watts accurately. I dont even know what your service is from the grid, single or three phase.I guess your on 220 or 230vac from what you have said so far. There can be too many variables to just guess at the condition of distribution system or how your shop is wired or how the rest of the consumers on your line have split their loads. A system out of balance will have a lot of problems during peak demand periods.Maybe you should try to test at a time of the day when fewer people are drawing more form the system. Still not sure what your output goal is. I stated mine a long time ago in horse power and kw so I would know how much material would be required or at least have something to work off of or toward.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1132 on: March 25, 2014, 03:17:37 PM »
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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1133 on: March 25, 2014, 08:36:08 PM »
I do not know whether this is so far been reported, but this device works!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39hVwNIRbNU

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1134 on: March 25, 2014, 10:34:46 PM »
MenofFather,


first of all, say Guy, not gay.  Having all those Anodes and Cathodes is already enough.  ;D


So did you build a device, do you have details, pictures?


One thing I noticed yesterday, when the core contact (example given: between E and I) is not perfect then the efficiency sinks rapidly. So therefor I do now use a vise ("schraubzwinge"), with two wooden spacers to prevent altering the core flux.


Update of my tests: 3.6 Ohm shortened (as mentioned) didn't perform well eighter, 20 mA with open and 40 mA with closed "lenz compensator" coil (love that name), so here it really is half the flux. Tested the initial duo again, now 53 mA.


What makes it so difficult to measure AC in is, in a Transformer the amps and volts are out of phase 90° as long as there is no load, and therefor the power factor is zero. You may have amps and volts and yet the consumption may be zero.  And the whole goal here is to draw from the output without to change that zero power factor. Normally in a transformer, the 90° phase shift will decrease, the more you draw. At full load the amp wave and volt wave are matching, phase shift is 0°, power factor is 1, consumption is really equal v*a (*0.707, cause it's AC).


An oscilliscope would be helpful. Isn't there any dead simple 99% software oscilloscope one could build with a couple of resistors?


Hanon, yes, I' ll put all results in one thread and or pdf the sooner or later. With respect to Clemente Figuera I will now back off a little bit in this thread.


Regards


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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1135 on: March 25, 2014, 11:45:02 PM »
Hello Shokac!

Can you make a new thread for this one? The idea looks preety simple, you would just need machinning and mechanical skills to replicate it. I'm sure some of the guys would like to at least discuss it. By the way, do you understand the language? I do a bit - already figured out all needed for replication.

Thanks for this one!

Dann


I do not know whether this is so far been reported, but this device works!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39hVwNIRbNU

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1136 on: March 26, 2014, 12:50:19 AM »
Hi Dann,

Please tell me what you think about post #246 (in page 17) complemented with the circuit  included in post #1058 (page 71). It is about filtering two half AC waves whether with a RC filter or with a RL filter (better). Please see the Excel file attached to see the calculations. In case of the RC filter  the value of R·C = 0.0072 Ohm·Farad , and in case of the RL filter the value of L/R = 0.0072 H/Ohm.

Do you think that it may work fine? Could you make a quick simulation of this circuit?

Thanks!!

Dieter,
One user in post #453 (page 31) recommended a kind of oscilloscope that can be manage through the PC sound card. I have not used but maybe you could give it a try. Copy of that post:

    Visual Analyser Project - Scope Freeware
    Good up to 10Khz
    You do not need to buy the hardware for it to work.
    But if you can, will have a useful tool for a good price.

http://www.sillanumsoft.org/download.htm



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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1137 on: March 26, 2014, 03:53:27 AM »
you should really watch this guys.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJsVSMQqCOM

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1138 on: March 26, 2014, 05:22:09 AM »
Hanon, thanks. I'm afraid all soundcard baded solutions cannot display phase shift / volt and amps separated.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1139 on: March 26, 2014, 01:36:57 PM »
MenofFather,


So did you build a device, do you have details, pictures?

I build about many of this versions, about 3-4 on 50 herc and and about 4 on 15 volts and hight frenquency. On 50 herc all have without load big curent consumptiot, but tthis guy have small curent consumption. I now build something like Hane transformer, because thay wery similar.
My latest divice primary coil have about 820 turns and secondarys coils have about 45-55 turns. But need more turns on primary, to get less energy consumption on without load.

 

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