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Author Topic: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY  (Read 11844302 times)

Jeg

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« Reply #11205 on: November 02, 2015, 08:39:53 PM »
Narrow winding and odd number of layers indeed cause flux leakage and resulting spikes.
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Hi Verpies
I would like to ask your opinion on the difference between multistrand wires and solid core wires. In this application with 12+12 turns primaries, would it be any difference if we use the one or the other kind?

In Tesla like air coils with thick insulated wire as secondary what kind of the two wire types would be more appropriate to use?

Thanks 

AlienGrey

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« Reply #11206 on: November 03, 2015, 01:04:35 AM »
Hi Verpies
I would like to ask your opinion on the difference between multistrand wires and solid core wires. In this application with 12+12 turns primaries, would it be any difference if we use the one or the other kind?

In Tesla like air coils with thick insulated wire as secondary what kind of the two wire types would be more appropriate to use?

Thanks

your talkin about litz wire, it's best to use at high frequency because the plasma or electricity runs on the skin of the wire so the more strands the better, or use copper pipe for the area of skin.

http://www.dartmouth.edu/~sullivan/litzwire/skin.html

Tomtech29

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« Reply #11207 on: November 03, 2015, 01:07:43 AM »
Hi.
I agree with this that the appropriate standards are purposely escape from the facility camera .
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"(which we cannot use as feedback signal) and a loaded current transformer signal."

Forgive me introduce only will muddle in my mind sitting there Prejudice you've had other comparisons I like to keep what you've done With thanks.

I pondered what needs to be checked I wanted to catch the moment and make sure do not miss anything there will be no other chance for me a repeat
  I find strange idea It's me :D

Tomtech29

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« Reply #11208 on: November 03, 2015, 02:03:37 AM »
Here we see the output amplitude sinusoidal blue:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpuU2mJxR4k
at the end we see that the probe of the oscilloscope is on the small toroid transformer
photograph is misleading PCB


Jeg

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #11209 on: November 03, 2015, 06:32:17 AM »
your talkin about litz wire, it's best to use at high frequency because the plasma or electricity runs on the skin of the wire so the more strands the better, or use copper pipe for the area of skin.

http://www.dartmouth.edu/~sullivan/litzwire/skin.html

Thanks for the info AlienGrey.
I am talking more about multistrand wires without insulation between each strand. Will it respond better than solid core wires in our Ruslan case? Or there is not really any difference? I ask because there was much talk about it but without theoretic support which interests me. ;)


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« Reply #11210 on: November 03, 2015, 10:25:18 AM »
Hi Verpies
I would like to ask your opinion on the difference between multistrand wires and solid core wires. In this application with 12+12 turns primaries, would it be any difference if we use the one or the other kind?
From electronic point of view the stranded wire behaves a little more like a Litz wire compared to a solid wire, because the conduction between the strands is not perfect due to naturally forming oxides and sulfates, which form a weak insulation layers between strands.  Also, strands are usually not ideally parallel and this limits their contact area and mutual conductivity.

Of course an older or previously heated wire will have more of this decreased conductivity between strands, making it act more and more like a Litz wire with time which has lower impedance to HF currents than a solid wire.

Jeg

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« Reply #11211 on: November 03, 2015, 12:35:07 PM »
From electronic point of view the stranded wire behaves a little more like a Litz wire compared to a solid wire, because the conduction between the strands is not perfect due to naturally forming oxides and sulfates, which form a weak insulation layers between strands.  Also, strands are usually not ideally parallel and this limits their contact area and mutual conductivity.

Of course an older or previously heated wire will have more of this decreased conductivity between strands, making it act more and more like a Litz wire with time which has lower impedance to HF currents than a solid wire.

Thanks a lot Verpies! I was hopping to hear that there is no difference, as solid core wires are much cheaper than stranded. Nice point of view though. I have to search now for speaker wire I guess. :)

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« Reply #11212 on: November 03, 2015, 10:45:56 PM »
I removed the PLL system from my circuit as i have doubts about its ability to do what it suppose to do which is tracking the inductor/wima caps LC resonance.

It will lock on a given frequency, but it won't follow the resonance of the LC when being loaded (shifted).
For it to do that it should have some peak detecting / following capabilities which i do not see present with my limited knowledge of PLL systems.
If it is present then someone please point me to it and explain how it works.

I am now using the via Ebay ordered little TL494 circuit which drives a pair of UCC37322 MOSFET drivers to drive the yokes MOSFETs.

I can control with a little potmeter the frequency and have set the duty cycle to the max. 45%.

One thing i noticed is that the resonance frequency of the inductor/wima caps LC is NOT the max output on the grenade / bulbs, there is a few hundred Hz difference.

 
Screenshot below shows:
the voltage (yellow trace) across the wima caps (in resonance).
the little peaks (green trace) on the Kacher MOSFET gate
the yokes MOSFETs gate signals (blue and purple traces).

By the way, there is a resonance frequency shift when more bulbs are added to the load even when using the TL494 circuit
1 bulb (100W) gives 15.28KHz
2 bulbs gives 15.39KHz
3 bulbs gives 15.43KHz
4 bulbs gives 15.52KHz
5 bulbs gives 15.66KHz
6 bulbs gives 15.71KHz
7 bulbs gives 15.81KHz
8 bulbs gives 15.84KHz
9 bulbs gives 16.02KHz
10 bulbs gives 16.09KHz.

Video here:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdIf9Pjyuhs&feature=youtu.be

Regards Itsu

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« Reply #11213 on: November 04, 2015, 02:14:14 AM »
Now that is interesting, a PLL is just phase lock, and frequency off the PLL just tries to pull in with the VFO, so if you put a divider in series it will double the lock frequency, you need an AVC control circuit like an LM393 to track for maximum frequency (VFO)     against amplitude feed back circuit, hmm no one else has reported this problem yet. Any way nice video.

AG

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« Reply #11214 on: November 04, 2015, 10:58:46 AM »

It will lock on a given frequency, but it won't follow the resonance of the LC when being loaded (shifted).


Nice work Itsu!
I just wonder why i can't reach the same voltage as your inductor/wima caps when in resonance. I see that you reach voltages up to some 700V while i can not exceed 300V. I use 24V pwr supply, 2XIRFP250 mosfets, 2Χ12T primaries and 25+25T inductor. I will try again today as i find it real weird. In the meanwhile, when i start my heater circuit (yoke-mosfet driver) a strange sound is emitted from my yoke. It is a hissing sound like which also gives anomalous behaviour when i adjust my frequency or pwm.!

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« Reply #11215 on: November 04, 2015, 11:12:13 AM »
Now that is interesting, a PLL is just phase lock, and frequency off the PLL just tries to pull in with the VFO, so if you put a divider in series it will double the lock frequency, you need an AVC control circuit like an LM393 to track for maximum frequency (VFO)     against amplitude feed back circuit, hmm no one else has reported this problem yet. Any way nice video.

AG


Thanks,        Hmmmm,   well  probably no one else build this circuit then.


Itsu

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« Reply #11216 on: November 04, 2015, 11:20:22 AM »
Nice work Itsu!
I just wonder why i can't reach the same voltage as your inductor/wima caps when in resonance. I see that you reach voltages up to some 700V while i can not exceed 300V. I use 24V pwr supply, 2XIRFP250 mosfets, 2Χ12T primaries and 25+25T inductor. I will try again today as i find it real weird. In the meanwhile, when i start my heater circuit (yoke-mosfet driver) a strange sound is emitted from my yoke. It is a hissing sound like which also gives anomalous behaviour when i adjust my frequency or pwm.!

Jeg,

what is your output of the MOSFET's?     Mine are outputting at the moment something like 70V squareish wave like  ;D
My inductor coil is 11m long wire in 2 layers each 23 turns bifilar, so one layer say clockwise, then at the end back to the beginning, then again next layer clockwise.

The hissing sound points for me to a short or flashovers in a coil, but with only 3, 12 and 26 turns primaries / secondaries that sounds indeed strange.
Did you perhaps left the yoke old windings on there?

Regards Itsu

 

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #11217 on: November 04, 2015, 12:21:38 PM »
Jeg,

what is your output of the MOSFET's?     Mine are outputting at the moment something like 70V squareish wave like  ;D
My inductor coil is 11m long wire in 2 layers each 23 turns bifilar, so one layer say clockwise, then at the end back to the beginning, then again next layer clockwise.

The hissing sound points for me to a short or flashovers in a coil, but with only 3, 12 and 26 turns primaries / secondaries that sounds indeed strange.
Did you perhaps left the yoke old windings on there?

Regards Itsu

 

Hi Itsu. Thanks for the help. I will measure my primaries asap and I'll report. My inductor is 12.5m which is the 1/3 of my 37.5m grenade.
About hissing, do you think that it matters if my28T is on the air? I mean it is not connected yet. I have wind it but it is still disconnected. Only the 3T is on place and measures are taken like that.

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« Reply #11218 on: November 04, 2015, 01:11:09 PM »
Now that is interesting, a PLL is just phase lock, and frequency off the PLL just tries to pull in with the VFO, so if you put a divider in series it will double the lock frequency, you need an AVC control circuit like an LM393 to track for maximum frequency (VFO)     against amplitude feed back circuit, hmm no one else has reported this problem yet. Any way nice video.
I think he is saying that this circuit does not have a detector for detecting the series LCR resonance when driven by a voltage source (yoke's secondary).

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« Reply #11219 on: November 04, 2015, 01:47:19 PM »
Hi.
Itsu
Thanks for the changes but I thought that at the outbreak of HV. across the wima caps (in resonance) draw the energies Ruslan says that shifts the phase current?
 you tuned the kacher to run (pulsed) on a third of that 2.65Mhz = 883Khz with you I do not see a flash- 0.5V voltage increase with or without the kacher ontop
Now let me ask you a question, have you tried using the small transformer to measure the current with a resistor ,so that the peak voltage of it was ripped from the driver pulse Kacher?
 -because you did not show where you got 15 kHz input to the controller Kacher or you connected in parallel a gateway one channel Pusch-pull am I right?
or even simply where the mustache at the top of the sine
I wonder if this is possible:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZ5ZY3L1O9s

This material does not prove anything but there is a visible flare if this is true?
info:
It uses a 200 watt light bulb under the push-pull 25 volts 2.5 amps -At the inclusion HV ampere consumption of the battery
increases to 3 Amper.
The pulse is powered by a 50 Volt draws 1 Ampere.

as instability pulses fall in a different place
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmsZEGyJfBQ
Hmm.