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Author Topic: Larskro's magnet motor video was a fake - he admits on second video  (Read 90435 times)

ALVARO_CS

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Re: Larskro's magnet motor video was a fake - he admits on second video
« Reply #105 on: April 21, 2012, 11:16:25 AM »
 Hello all
May anybody here (experimenters only pls.) help me in understanding this?

 
I will not make any attempt with a battery, as I have made many experiments with the Adams motor, and similar pulsed motors, always with battery.
 The goal to  achieve a self runner, even with an initial thrust is may be an utopia but. . . as a true friend of mine said, “ I wish to be judged for my aspirations, rather than for my achievements”  

 
I made the Rovella device, as close to the original as I could with salvaged parts, and with the schematic posted in earlier pages.
Not got the repelling effect but I wish to understand why the two leds flashes only when the reed is at 80-90 degrees of the coils center.
Is it due of the coils capacitance ?, as there is a wide delay in time from the center line of coil core up to the 90 position.
Any help appreciated.
Cheers
Alvaro

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Re: Larskro's magnet motor video was a fake - he admits on second video
« Reply #106 on: April 21, 2012, 01:57:29 PM »
Guys, if you really want to know about what is going on in circuit and the power source is still required, swap battery to capacitor of few farads and charge it before attaching. Then it will clearly show what is happening.
The walls of text in posts do not make any progress... ;)


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Re: Larskro's magnet motor video was a fake - he admits on second video
« Reply #107 on: April 21, 2012, 03:30:23 PM »
He now says it is fake with batteries:
http://youtu.be/n93iIduG01I

And Stefan still has it on the mainpage of overunity.com

*sigh*

Magluvin

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NerzhDishual

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Re: Larskro's magnet motor video was a fake - he admits on second video
« Reply #109 on: April 23, 2012, 02:20:42 AM »
Hi People,

Thanks to Magluvin for this vid.

What was I saying in my previous post?

Some time ago, some trolls were faking non working devices.
For ex:
The "MYLOW's Magnetic Motor based on Howard Johnson's Design"
The "Mike Modded Bedini Cole Window Motor"

About this (faked) Bedini Cole windows motor that was claimed to run of capacitor only: for my part, I spend some money, some time and some hope trying to replicate, more accurately as possible this bloody f' device. I failed, Of coarse!

Now, it sounds like we have a new brand of trolls that are faking genuine OU devices! IHMO, this (pathetic) 'progress' in frauds bodes very well for the 'OU' defenders. Does it not?

Very Best

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Re: Larskro's magnet motor video was a fake - he admits on second video
« Reply #110 on: May 06, 2012, 07:51:36 PM »
Hi everybody!
Despite desperate attempts to buid Larsk-like motor, there's still hope). The clean idea for this motor is use its own EMF/BEMF to selfsustained rotation. So we have to remove all possible drags and encrease BEMF effect. I believe that along with mechanical improvements it's need to remove any core off the coils while the coils have to be increased in turnes as possible. No diodes, or three and more in parallel, discussible. The coils are shorted by default. Rotating magnets induce EMF in the coils. At right moment RS opens coil and the coil change polarity with BEMF spike pushing the rotor ahead. BTW reed switch makes drag on magnet, so it better be changed for hall probably. Cores are not totally under arrest, but should be the best of recommended by Bedini, fast and hysteresis-free.
What do you think? Whould it work?

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Re: Larskro's magnet motor video was a fake - he admits on second video
« Reply #111 on: May 06, 2012, 11:03:37 PM »
Here you go Mags, this is basically a dead thread, so you can answer here:

Quote from: MileHigh on Today at 10:27:50 PM<blockquote>The answer is 90 amps at 60 seconds.  I was giving you a chance to correct yourself.  So why did you say 75 amps?  Why is the answer 90 amps?  Try for the bonus question.

See folks. This will go on and on. With purpose. Ill let you have your thread back. ;]
</blockquote>Mags



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Re: Larskro's magnet motor video was a fake - he admits on second video
« Reply #112 on: May 06, 2012, 11:36:11 PM »
@Abrec

For my part, I would not criticize any honest experimenter.
I'm not sure to understand you fully (scientifically-wise).
Anyway  I sometimes use my intuition.
Yes Intuition is not Science. :P

If you think that there's still hope with 'Larsk-like motor',
please test your own ideas.

I'm daily basically amazed by the creativity of people.

Very Best

Magluvin

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Re: Larskro's magnet motor video was a fake - he admits on second video
« Reply #113 on: May 06, 2012, 11:53:43 PM »
Here you go Mags, this is basically a dead thread, so you can answer here:

Quote from: MileHigh on Today at 10:27:50 PM<blockquote>The answer is 90 amps at 60 seconds.  I was giving you a chance to correct yourself.  So why did you say 75 amps?  Why is the answer 90 amps?  Try for the bonus question.

See folks. This will go on and on. With purpose. Ill let you have your thread back. ;]
</blockquote>Mags

Im game. But your  8) rules dont apply.   ;D

First off, Im thinking why is he asking me what would happen if we switched the input to -4v from 3v. In what situation would that BE a situation. Its not. Its fantasy land circuitry. So is Ideal components and an I deal world.  And with the bonus question, there is no criteria as to when to make the switch, in time, or at what current level. To me, this would make a difference, as much as saying -3v to - 8 v.  And YOU MH require high detail from me and my answers to questions that lack detail enough that giving a detailed answer of all the variations that could be had could take a long time.

You expect me to present something more professional than the quality of your lacking request.

Now tell me what is real and what is not.   Its all a game to you. Fantasy Island   Hey Boss, De Plane. De plane.

I am not going to name all of the electrons involved and give you charts and paths and the pressures they all encounter "articulate, in depth" just to fill your funky aganda.
Ya gotta be nuts.  And even then I dont think it would be good enough.

So you can spin this all you wish as to why Im not going to continue this artificial issue with your artificial circuit and artificial workings of a circuit that dont exist.

Just like above in this very thread. You implied that your little rendition of Lars circuit was the one you believed that he used because you had a so called discussion with lars.
Tell me MH, tell me where Lars says that he agrees that your circuit is the one in his device. I can show you where he says that your version would work also. Yet you pawned this off on us above as fact.  You Lie your lil butt off. Just like you accuse Rosemary of.

Sorry M 8) , ya get nuthin.  :o ;D

Mags

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Re: Larskro's magnet motor video was a fake - he admits on second video
« Reply #114 on: May 07, 2012, 01:46:03 AM »
Here is bonus question again:

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Bonus question:  Precisely what happens if the ideal voltage source switches to negative four volts after 90 seconds?  It's an ideal instantaneous switch in polarity.  Explain what happens.  Use your command of English to explain exactly what happens.

It's perfectly clear.  90 seconds after the start of the experiment the voltage polarity switches to negative four volts.

So the full question is as follows:  There is a circuit that consists of an ideal voltage source connected to an ideal inductor.  That's it,  there is only a single component in the circuit besides the ideal voltage source.  The ideal inductor is two henrys.  The ideal inductor is connected to the ideal voltage source and that marks the start of the experiment.  For the first 90 seconds the polarity of the ideal voltage source is plus three volts.  Then at the 90 second mark the polarity of the ideal voltage source changes to minus four volts and it remains at minus four volts thereafter.  Please describe exactly what happens in this circuit.

Do you comprehend the question now?  If instead of answering if you just give me attitude I will assume that you can't answer the question.

I suppose that you will continue experimenting with your coils.

MileHigh
« Last Edit: May 07, 2012, 03:00:22 AM by MileHigh »

Magluvin

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Re: Larskro's magnet motor video was a fake - he admits on second video
« Reply #115 on: May 07, 2012, 01:53:27 AM »
Yes, my coils. I havnt finished testing them with my magnets.  :o ;D

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Re: Larskro's magnet motor video was a fake - he admits on second video
« Reply #116 on: May 07, 2012, 02:00:08 AM »
Play with them but it would be better if you knew how they worked!   :(

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Re: Larskro's magnet motor video was a fake - he admits on second video
« Reply #117 on: May 07, 2012, 02:53:08 AM »
This Ideal stuff can confuse.  You probably expected me to say something other than -4v, or else why would you ask it of me.  ;) This IS the issue with Ideal Ideas. It is basic. Its as basic as you can get. No scratches in the glass. None.

Isnt it funny to think that the 4v ideal source would remain at 4v at all times, even when the current is flowing opposite of the 4v emf at the time of switching. But it does. Ideally.

Ideally, the 4v Ideal source is like the super nova black hole of 4v power supplies. Its the MH-4000/GIGIDI. (invented by Kramerica industries ;] ) You can take all of Rosemary's batteries and hook them up to the MH-4000 and the MH-4000 will pull the battery voltage down to 4v no matter what configuration the batteries are in, series or parallel, backward, forward. Rock steady 4v champion of power supplies.

But until "ideal" inductors and Ideal power supplies are for sale, I would rather learn about what is available and can be had, in the simplest form possible.

We can not actually experience Ideal circuits. We can only theorize and dream. But with what we have, I can get hands on experience, and make changes and see and feel the results. This is how you learn. Not with the karate book from the library in your basement for five years. Ive seen it. It doesnt work very well.

Like if you have a simple 1 coil pulse motor. Read as many books as you wish, but find one that would show the effects of changing the angle of the coil while running. Or adding backing mags. Its just not out there. So who has the advantage, the straight coil guy, or the one that has more moves and knows how to move them? ;]

Ideally, to provide an understanding, it can also make for confusion later. In the real world, those voltages have way more dynamic than Ideal. I dont believe it is that difficult to understand in real world materials as compared to Ideal. it is a raw form, but no where near the same results any way you put it.

Mags n The Moonies

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Re: Larskro's magnet motor video was a fake - he admits on second video
« Reply #118 on: May 07, 2012, 04:36:18 AM »
Magluvin:

Being dismissive of ideal components is a huge mistake because all real components are based on ideal components.  The solutions to circuit problems when using ideal components are easier as compared to using real-world components.  Ideal component concepts are used nearly every single say by electronics professionals.

I have seen free energy types being dismissive of discussing ideal components before and it's a shame.  it shows an inability to "think outside of the box," and it's a pretty small box.

I will leave it to anybody in the thread to discuss the circuit and question posed if they want to.  You know the great irony - people "experiment" with coils without understanding how they work.  I won't answer the question.  If somebody does the work to figure it out and get it right so much the better for them and they will learn much better than being spoon-fed the answers.

MileHigh

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Re: Larskro's magnet motor video was a fake - he admits on second video
« Reply #119 on: May 07, 2012, 04:42:08 AM »
Well we will just have to see if anyone takes you up on this wonderful offer. Lets imagine each one that shows up ya get $100 bucks. Lets see how business goes. ;]

Mags