Author Topic: Practical Method for Production of Water Fuel with Piezoelectric (Read 411720 times)

Sprocket · « **Reply #465 on:** April 11, 2011, 05:38:35 PM »

Quote from: superman9976 on April 11, 2011, 04:52:14 AM

Hi Solvenia,

I am inquiring that china company you posted about the transducers. I will order them. The 45khz at 35watts. I have a question though. Is the joule thief circuit the controller and power supply for the transducer? That Mary at the company is asking what PCB I need and what are my power requirements after reading these last few pages on this thread I think I just realized I dont even need their PCBs for the transducer. Am I correct? It would certainly save me money and time. If you are near my location I could drop one off or mail it to you I want to order 5 of them.
If any of you were at the energy conference and remember the Mag heater. In the past week I realized what it would take to build one and ordered the magnets and put them onto a plywood disc. Wow it turns water to steam rapidly within a minute or two. Whatever material you put in front of it, copper is my favorite, it heats up very rapidly with what? Magnetic waves!
The E3 plugs I found out were resistor plugs they have a value of 4.9 Kohms so they do not work well with my CDI setup. They put out a very weak spark normally and with the resistor its not much better. I am using the AEM 4 channel off of amazon.com but I have found other resistorless plugs that will work and want to use copper plug wires with it.
Told you I was still around
Chris

Hi. Do you have any further info on this 'Mag Heater'? Sounds interesting!

Regarding power requirements for the transducers, I think 'Mary' was quite right in her inquiry. 35 * 2 Watts is a LOT - I built a meager 20W supply and was surprised with the amount of heat generated in several metres of resistance wire (14 Ohm total) I was using as a test-load. And you are talking 70 Watts - good luck finding a Joule-thief to power those! Also, having gutted a 30W humidifier for other things, I can attest that its power-supply is non-trivial.

I don't get why people are still going on about transducer frequency here - these things are already 'tuned' optimally to do the job in question, ie. produce a mist from water, at their rated frequency. It's akin to buying an AM radio then trying to tune it to pick up UHF signals!

And unless I've missed the boat completely, there has still been no proof-of-concept that Zn0 crystals even work as described - why are people buying 'power-transducers', looking for power-electronics circuits to supply same, when the concept itself hasn't yet been shown to work?!?!

b_rads · « **Reply #466 on:** April 11, 2011, 09:09:02 PM »

Quote from: altrez on April 10, 2011, 11:07:52 PM

ZnS anyone lol. Its really so easy once you understand. Everything that's needed is from nature. You just need to know what to look for

-Altrez

Altrez - you are absolutely correct, zinc is available in many foods(vegetables, oysters, beef, etc)
A few tidbits on ZnS
From wikipedia - zinc sulfide
Laboratory preparation It is easily produced by mixing an amount of zinc and sulfur and then igniting it. The result (after cooling) is zinc sulfide.
Zinc sulfide is insoluble in water and solutions containing Zn2+ readily precipitate ZnS in the presence of sulfide ions (e.g., from H2S).

Zn2+ + S2âˆ’ â†’ ZnS
This has formed the basis of a gravimetric analysis for zinc.[4]

It is produced in quantity from zinc oxide as a by-product of the synthesis of ammonia from methane.

Description from ebay product - search for zinc sulfide - $12.00 for 10grams.
Glow Powder
Glow in the Dark Pigment
16 Ounces
Did you ever wonder how Glow in the Dark things get that GLOW?

This is the stuff (Zinc Sulfide) that makes it happen! It is a non-hazardous powder that activates in almost any light source but is especially sensitive to the blue portion of the light spectrum. It will glow when exposed to a regular incandescent light bulb, sunlight, blacklight or fluorescent light. What a fun way to teach about energy.
You can turn regular putty into Glow in the Dark Putty by mixing a little of this Glow Powder into it. Add this Glow Powder to paint and Presto! you have glow in the dark paint. Add it to acrylic sealer or white glue.
@Sprocket. I agree, why go superpower on the electronics until proof of concept has been achieved. If a large amount of hho is produced going with higher current electronics then off the shelf electronics should prove working model.

The Power To Be · « **Reply #467 on:** April 12, 2011, 12:25:16 AM »

The continuum of the usual belief, brute force current will always produce heat, the desired effect is quite the opposite.

The toroid transforms DC into oscillating AC, slow waves will produce cold, cool your the lattice of your toroid and you achieve super-conduction if your alloy proper elements. Enclose your coil in ideal vacuum and you have perpetual power source. Receiver ZnO produces rapid disruptive discharge via oscillation and you obtain unity transformation of waves, the desired electrostatic skin effect. No energy is wasted to heat.

You do not need to buy anything as you can harvest materials locally easily. I will not think for you, you need to learn on your own.

Heat is medium paced waves that is wasteful.

Good luck and have a nice day.

superman9976 · « **Reply #468 on:** April 12, 2011, 05:40:16 AM »

Quote from: Sprocket on April 11, 2011, 05:38:35 PM

Hi. Do you have any further info on this 'Mag Heater'? Sounds interesting!

Regarding power requirements for the transducers, I think 'Mary' was quite right in her inquiry. 35 * 2 Watts is a LOT - I built a meager 20W supply and was surprised with the amount of heat generated in several metres of resistance wire (14 Ohm total) I was using as a test-load. And you are talking 70 Watts - good luck finding a Joule-thief to power those! Also, having gutted a 30W humidifier for other things, I can attest that its power-supply is non-trivial.

I don't get why people are still going on about transducer frequency here - these things are already 'tuned' optimally to do the job in question, ie. produce a mist from water, at their rated frequency. It's akin to buying an AM radio then trying to tune it to pick up UHF signals!

And unless I've missed the boat completely, there has still been no proof-of-concept that Zn0 crystals even work as described - why are people buying 'power-transducers', looking for power-electronics circuits to supply same, when the concept itself hasn't yet been shown to work?!?!

Yeah I do what did you wanna know? I suggest looking at magnetic heater video on you tube too. The magnets are alternating north south configuration the more the better and thinner metal stock works better than thick. It puts more load on the motor which draws more current which makes it less efficient.

I am trying to replicate Power To Be's setup since he started out by saying 45khz transducers work best. Someone from the past had efficient HHO production with the lower frequency like around 43khz which was said in earlier posts. Something about acoustical resonance? These transducers have a minimum power requirement is 15 watts and go up 2400 watts. So by building this pierce circuit we will achieve acoustical resonance? And power it with toroid transformer? Or just a joule thief circuit? In the design book I have the pierce circuit they are showing goes down to 600 khz and up 30mhz. They call it a Pierce Crystal Oscillator. I'm pretty sure there's a design somewhere that will go down lower though.

Chris

superman9976 · « **Reply #469 on:** April 12, 2011, 05:42:49 AM »

I also wanted to ask has anyone had any success adhering their crystals to a substrate? Or know what material to use for adhesion. If it was posted earlier I probably missed it.
Thanks
Chris

e2matrix · « **Reply #470 on:** April 12, 2011, 07:05:46 AM »

Quote from: superman9976 on April 12, 2011, 05:42:49 AM

I also wanted to ask has anyone had any success adhering their crystals to a substrate? Or know what material to use for adhesion. If it was posted earlier I probably missed it.
Thanks
Chris

I've been thinking about silicone. It's cheap as I get it around $3.00 for about a 10 ounce tube (like you use in a caulking gun) and that will go a long way. You will normally have at least 10 to 20 minutes to get your crystals on to it before it starts setting up but the sooner the better. Unlike most adhesives it does not get hard but remains flexible. I think that may be good since anything that sets hard might limit the ability of the crystals to flex as we want them to do. However I'm not sure silicone is ideal as it might have a somewhat dampening effect of vibration. I'm mostly thinking out loud on this as I have not tried it yet.

I also want to mention the possibility of using two transducers at different frequencies if no one has yet found some readily available (and affordable) in the target frequency of 43-45 Khz. If you have two transducers with a frequency difference between them of about 43-45 Khz then you will get the same effect and maybe even some extra benefit in harmonics.

The Power To Be · « **Reply #471 on:** April 12, 2011, 07:05:56 AM »

Quote from: superman9976 on April 12, 2011, 05:42:49 AM

I also wanted to ask has anyone had any success adhering their crystals to a substrate? Or know what material to use for adhesion. If it was posted earlier I probably missed it.
Thanks
Chris

Hey Chris,
What material have you chosen for your substrate?. By adhering crystals, it is the same as building a transducer but self build transducers is much superior as you can optimize it's properties, there are many ways to adhere crystals.

@All
Thank you for your continued efforts
I must apologize for my anxious habits at times but there is so many fascinating things that awaits us.

@b_rads
glowing paint is fun but how about using ZnS as a transducer to convert electromagnet waves into water sonoluminescence.

The Power To Be · « **Reply #472 on:** April 12, 2011, 07:51:18 AM »

Quote from: e2matrix on April 12, 2011, 07:05:46 AM

I've been thinking about silicone. It's cheap as I get it around $3.00 for about a 10 ounce tube (like you use in a caulking gun) and that will go a long way. You will normally have at least 10 to 20 minutes to get your crystals on to it before it starts setting up but the sooner the better. Unlike most adhesives it does not get hard but remains flexible. I think that may be good since anything that sets hard might limit the ability of the crystals to flex as we want them to do. However I'm not sure silicone is ideal as it might have a somewhat dampening effect of vibration. I'm mostly thinking out loud on this as I have not tried it yet.

I also want to mention the possibility of using two transducers at different frequencies if no one has yet found some readily available (and affordable) in the target frequency of 43-45 Khz. If you have two transducers with a frequency difference between them of about 43-45 Khz then you will get the same effect and maybe even some extra benefit in harmonics.

Great idea, it may work to lower frequency at same time with dampening effect, may be good for prototype.

You guys should spend more time building things, observe and just have fun. You creativity flows freely if you enjoy and have fun with your work.
Has anyone reduced Zamak?, you can build a simple HHO torch very cheap with common plumbing parts. All materials that you need for this project can be recycled from common electrical waste. Use your stirrer to evenly mix metal solution for complete reduction.

Si is a great material to alloy in your toroid, you can refine common glass to semiconductor purity easily, even oxide silicon as well. You can make ceramic parts easily by refining common dirt that you walk on. You can build a small kiln with home made fire bricks, use HHO as your fuel. Utilize common materials such as Al, Zamak etc. Refine your own materials, you will learn a whole lot at the same time.

The secret of the Universe awaits you, please do proceed and learn to understand the forces of Nature, Together we can make a Change and set Man Free.

Slovenia · « **Reply #473 on:** April 12, 2011, 12:49:38 PM »

Hi Chris,

Great to see you are still around. The 45 Khz transducers Mary has appear to be the right deal. It looks like you are really getting into this now. That's great! The JT Circuit is to tune the transducer to the right frequency. The power is increased by the transformers, but there also has to be an input voltage. We're working with Pierce circuit in conjunction with the JT Circuit as I understand it. I wouldn't mind getting one of those transducers from you if you are going to be ordering them. Please PM me what the price would be including shipping and I'll get back to you if I want to do it. Thanks!

Best Regards,
Slovenia

Quote from: superman9976 on April 11, 2011, 04:52:14 AM

Hi Solvenia,

I am inquiring that china company you posted about the transducers. I will order them. The 45khz at 35watts. I have a question though. Is the joule thief circuit the controller and power supply for the transducer? That Mary at the company is asking what PCB I need and what are my power requirements after reading these last few pages on this thread I think I just realized I dont even need their PCBs for the transducer. Am I correct? It would certainly save me money and time. If you are near my location I could drop one off or mail it to you I want to order 5 of them.

Told you I was still around
Chris

Slovenia · « **Reply #474 on:** April 12, 2011, 01:15:17 PM »

The updated archived file of this thread is available at Scribd.

This Thread Update:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/51189669/Practical-Method-for-Production-of-Water-Fuel-From-OU

Compilation of Power To Be Posts Update:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/52177573/Compilation-of-Power1-Posts

Slovenia · « **Reply #475 on:** April 13, 2011, 01:06:06 PM »

Sun Gazing
I've been doing a lot of research on how to activate the human brain since Power To Be got me interested in this area. I discovered there are many ways to accomplish this. One of the less complicated and straightforward methods is by Sun Gazing. It has been practiced by many ancient civilizations for a long time but pretty much kept quiet in recent times. It enables the brain to be activated to full capacity and also the pineal gland. It also enables man to go without food for long extended periods of time. One yogi hasn't eaten since 1995. Anyway, for your pleasure and our research:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/48567043/Sun-Gazing

Slovenia · « **Reply #476 on:** April 13, 2011, 06:56:20 PM »

I think this is very pertinent to the electric wind or ionic scenario. Anyway, last night I woke up with this on my mind, so I want to share it in case it will help someone.

A post of Power To Be came to mind last night while I was sleeping. I will refer you to the post so you can read it for yourself and come to your own conclusion. Anyway, Power To Be brought up a point in Aaron's thread on Energetic, "Spark Plug 2". He said that the Luc circuit was adequate to do the job.

Anyway, please refer to that thread in my compilation of Power1 posts. It is somewhere toward the back of the pdf file.

Share what you believe to be true.

Link to Updated "Compilation of Power1Posts":
http://www.scribd.com/doc/52177573/Compilation-of-Power1-Posts

superman9976 · « **Reply #477 on:** April 15, 2011, 04:44:17 AM »

So I have been thinking for the past few days. I keep thinking the substrate could be steel since zinc naturally adheres to bare steel. I will try this idea this weekend. It seems the transducer is where the crystals are adhered right on to the disc. If I cut a circle from a piece of sheet metal grind off the coating and soak it in heated mason jar with my crystals and allow it to dry will this be a start to a transducer? I could take silicone and put a few dabs on the disc and this would adhere to some solid material (like little stand offs) but still allow it to oscillate with the pierce crystal oscillator circuit attached to it. Of course I would have to put the homemade transducer in a container and then attach a balloon to the opening of the container to capture the gas. The faster the balloon fills the closer I get to the right oscillation. I should build this pierce circuit with adjustable capacitors inducers and resistors like a varible cap varactor diode or a pot.
Am I to figure a fundamental frequency with overtones? Or does the fundamental frequency just automatically produce overtones?
I will keep thinking about it and looking at my books. I have a friend I can ask too. But if you power to be can help in anyway like component selection? This stuff is a lot to take in for a beginner. I definitely want to learn about it though.

I think the toroid transformer will be the easiest part but the pierce circuit will require the most work. The build my own transducer idea is just out there I never considered building my own. I am wondering where I would place the leads. Is it a two wire setup or just one to get it to oscillate?

The CDI project is taking a bit longer than I thought but definitely showing signs of progress. I am coming up with ways for a good heat exchanger for my mag heater project.

Solvenia I got a price on the transducers $11 ea. plus the shipping which is probably $61 like you said but I am holding off until I try to build some things for now.

Chris

Slovenia · « **Reply #478 on:** April 15, 2011, 10:04:56 PM »

Anybody else working on this project? I know there are two or three of us still kicking. It would be helpful if we got our heads together and shared a little bit. I'm really into it but don't have the electrical background, so it's a real slow progress for me. I would like us to show Power To Be progress really soon of some fashion or other. I'm used to working as a team on these projects, and I've put a lot of effort into this project to help others and keep it alive. Of course, in helping others I also helped myself in the understanding aspect too but I was expecting a lot more from the group than I am seeing. I'm having to find experts outside this forum to help me now and that's making me take a hard look at some things if you get my drift.

eisnad karm · « **Reply #479 on:** April 15, 2011, 10:26:04 PM »

work on what exactly? have a read of the thread..there is no grand design
Mark

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