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Author Topic: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant  (Read 832434 times)

Grimer

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #525 on: April 12, 2009, 11:34:52 PM »
Quote from: AquariuZ on April 12, 2009, 10:58:44 PM
True, but remember it is not the weights that touch that jagged edge, it is an oval shaped joining bar (in this case)

Yeah. I've just realised that as you can see from my last post. The bar has a smaller diameter than the weights and so you get more bangs (rotations) for the buck as the assembly progresses along the rack track,

I didn't know it was oval shaped. Presumably that's like a two toothed cog and must have some mechanical advantage or other.
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Grimer

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #526 on: April 12, 2009, 11:46:34 PM »
Quote from: Cherryman on April 12, 2009, 11:31:55 PM
When you with calculation state something, isn't then possible to export that into a curve as a DXF file?  If that is possible then we have the perfect angles..


Sorry - I don't do calculation - I've been spoilt in my career and always has someone else for that.
A bit like being a king in the past who didn't need to read and right cos he always had scribes to do that for him.  8)

And I've no idea what a DXF file is ( I know what a bastard file is though  ;) )
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Grimer

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #527 on: April 12, 2009, 11:59:32 PM »
Quote from: AquariuZ on April 12, 2009, 10:48:07 PM

I am starting to have doubts now too, sorry to say.

I'm not. Now that I can see the high rotation of the weights is modelling the temperature rotation of atoms I'm confident he has a jumbo sized heat engine. with the weights and the working fluid and gravity as the energy source.

I wonder how Bessler got his rotation. The weights were cylindrical which figures. He let people handle them but wrapped in a cloth. Maybe he wanted to hide the hole for an axle.
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Grimer

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #528 on: April 13, 2009, 12:25:08 AM »
Quote from: Grimer on April 12, 2009, 11:25:51 PM
I'll do my best. ;D
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What happens to the rotating weight when it slams into the going down bit I wouldn't like to say,  :o

I suppose that's the pressure on the piston bit.

And now for beddy byes - till I need to get up for a pee.  :-[
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AquariuZ

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #529 on: April 13, 2009, 12:32:01 AM »
FWIW

Initial "Egg" shape try attached.

Need to reshape legs so they do not point to axle.

And no acceleration, not even in a vacuum & friction less environment....
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eisenficker2000

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #530 on: April 13, 2009, 12:35:18 AM »
After reading the patent; hockeysticks  and ellipse..
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AquariuZ

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #531 on: April 13, 2009, 12:36:53 AM »
Quote from: Cherryman on April 12, 2009, 09:53:55 PM
Here a version with the rails

Ah! I can use that!

Thanks Cherryman
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AquariuZ

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #532 on: April 13, 2009, 12:38:03 AM »
Quote from: eisenficker2000 on April 13, 2009, 12:35:18 AM
After reading the patent; hockeysticks  and ellipse..

Cool, but don´t they bend the other way in the length???
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Cherryman

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #533 on: April 13, 2009, 12:39:52 AM »
Quote from: eisenficker2000 on April 13, 2009, 12:35:18 AM
After reading the patent; hockeysticks  and ellipse..

I like it! Got a file?
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broli

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #534 on: April 13, 2009, 12:44:31 AM »
Quote from: eisenficker2000 on April 13, 2009, 12:35:18 AM
After reading the patent; hockeysticks  and ellipse..

Yes very cool indeed, spares a lot of time in reading boring text.

Someone should get the feedback of Abeling on that animation  ;D.
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eisenficker2000

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #535 on: April 13, 2009, 12:51:37 AM »
@AquiriuZ: Take picture 8 from the patent and bend back the ends near the axle, so the angle pushing the weight up has a smaller vector in the horizontal plane

@Cherryman: If you could use dxf/Autocad format?


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Cherryman

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #536 on: April 13, 2009, 12:59:05 AM »
Quote from: eisenficker2000 on April 13, 2009, 12:51:37 AM
@AquiriuZ: Take picture 8 from the patent and bend back the ends near the axle, so the angle pushing the weight up has a smaller vector in the horizontal plane

@Cherryman: If you could use dxf/Autocad format?




Perfect! Send it up

Did you test it WM2D or something? 
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AquariuZ

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #537 on: April 13, 2009, 01:09:22 AM »
Using Cherrymans wheel I can visualize the violent launch of the weights near 12 o clock position.

Now, if you can keep the weight in its socket you may have something.

There are small bursts of acceleration, but again the ball needs to be kept locked into place to get full benefit from the launch. The launch is a scissors effect.

Model attached with an initial momentum of -0.200 rad/s but WITHOUT MOTOR.

Turns for a while (friction less environ)

I´ll see if I can lock those balls
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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #538 on: April 13, 2009, 01:11:07 AM »
@Cherryman: in DXF..zipped :-\
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LarryC

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #539 on: April 13, 2009, 01:14:32 AM »
Quote from: eisenficker2000 on April 13, 2009, 12:35:18 AM
After reading the patent; hockeysticks  and ellipse..

I'm glad you're showing the upper left quadrant closer to the video. The guides need to allow the weights to be freely thrown outward, varying due to centrifugal force based on rpm. The centrifugal slam at the outside edge of the hockeysticks is where the acceleration is coming from.

Regards, Larry
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