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Author Topic: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant  (Read 782621 times)

Offline mondrasek

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #510 on: April 12, 2009, 10:13:24 PM »
Here a version with the rails

Cherryman, fine work as always.

Suggestions:

1)  Scale down your Rhino models before importing to WM2D.  Your current model wheel is 200M across.  The Centrifugal Forces at the rim for even the slowest of rotations are magnitudes of times greater than the force of gravity on each weight.  I think you want the Force due to rotation and the Force due to gravity to at least be within a factor of 10 if you expect to see the interactions of the two visually in the sim.

2)  How about a catch for the ball when it is launch back up to the outer egde of the slots?  But maybe again this is too soon.  It will add a lot of complexity to the model and require more computations and therefore errors per frame.  But if you worked with only two slots instead of all 8 it might still calculate quick enough.

Keep it up!

M.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #511 on: April 12, 2009, 10:16:56 PM »
HERE THE COMPLETE TEXT AS OF MIDDLE OF PAGE 5

Sorry for the many posts, I did not want to wait showing all.

Not sure about all this after reading, looking forward to modelling.

               5

(...)
         The invention is now explained using a number of examples, with reference
20      to the attached drawings, where corresponding parts are marked with reference numbers
      which are raised by 100 at a time and whereby:
         Fig. 1 shows a frontal view of the first type of the conversion unit according to
      the invention,
25         Fig. 2 shows a side view od the carrier of the conversion unit of fig. 1, with eight
      guiding rails for weights,
         Fig. 3 shows a side view of the guidance ring and the axle ring of the conversion
      unit of fig. 1,
30         Fig. 4 shows a schematic side view of the path which a weight follows during a
      complete rotation of the carrier,


               6

         Fig. 5A to 5D shows a schematic of a number of positions of an alternative
      implementation of the carrier which is fitted with four weights,
5         Fig. 6 shows a side view of another implementation of the carrier, which
      is fitted with a serrated surface,
         Fig.7 shows a view from behind of another implementation of the conversion
      unit of fig. 7, and
         Fig. 8 ahows a side view of one of the carriers of the conversion unit of
10      fig. 7.

         An installation 1 for the conversion of gravitational energy, consists of two parallel
      movable carriers 2 which rotate around a joint axle line A with each having a number of weights
15      3 attached in the rotational path (fig. 1) These weights 3 are movable in a radial direction in
      relation to axle line A. The conversion unit 1 contains collaborating materials 4 to guide the radial
      displacement of weights 3. These guiding materials 4, which will be discussed in detail hereafter,
20      are incorporated in side plates 5, which are located on the sides of each carrier 2 parallel to the
      plane of the rotational movement.
      
      In the shown example both carriers 2 are fixed against rotation on the pertruding axle 6, which
25      is housed in a baring in the openings 7 in the side plates 5. This axle 6 could be attached to a
      generator, through which the output of unit 1 would be converted to e.g. electrical energy. The
      carriers 2 and the side plates 5 shown in this example are made out of glass, but other materials
30      with minimal friction like metals could be used.

         Every carrier 2 has the appearance of a disc, in which for every weight 3 a radially



                  (7)
      directed guidance track 8 is formed (fig.  2). To facilitate the outward hurling of weights 3 the
      guiding tracks at least have on their end 9 which are furthest from axle 6 a track segment which
 5      is curved. The curvature is pointed towards the rotational direction of carrier 2. In the shown
      example the guiding tracks even have a smooth curvature over their entire lenght.
      

         Each of the weights 3 is movable in a radial direction in an accompanying guiding
10      track 8. Towards that end the weights 3 as shown in the example are installed in pairs. Every
      weight 3 has a joining bar 10 which connects both weight parts 11 and is held by guiding track 8.
15      These joining bars 10 move in a radial direction in guiding track 8.
      
      In an alternative setup of the conversion unit the edges 212 of each guiding track 208 have a
20      serrated surface to minimize friction as the weights make their sliding motion (fig. 6). The joining
      bars 210 of the weights are ovally shaped here to ensure regulated motion over the serrated
      surface 212. It should be noted that this setup shows that the guiding tracks 208 can be
25      distributed non uniformly around axle 206.


         In the example show the guiding materials 4 consist of two installed
      rings 13 which are installed on both sides of carrier 2, along which the weights 3 are movable.
30      These rings 13 in this example have been cut out of side plates 5. The rings 13 run in a horizontal
      direction which is eccentrically in relation to the rotational axle A of carrier 2, and have a slightly
      oval shape, whereby the long axle is aimed vertically. In fact the rings 13 have the shape of


               ( 8 )

      an indented circle. Because of the shape of the rings 13 every weight 3 when it reaches the pinnacle
      of its path around axle A, or slightly before, is accelerated strongly in a radial direction. Because of
5      this a lot of energy is released. The long axle of every ring 13 is slightly tilted in such a way that the    

   weights 3 are forced back inwards even before they reach the lowest point of their path.

         The conversion unit 1 in the example shown is furthermore fitted with secundary
10      bearing means 14, which are fitted around the circumference of carrier 2. These secundary bearing
      means 14 consist of a number of spacers 15 which run from carrier 2 to each of the side plates 5,
15      and a bearing ring 16 which houses the spacers 15.
      Each bearing ring 15 (16?) runs on the outside with a spacing around guiding ring 13 (fig. 3).
            
            The path each of the weights 3 takes during the rotation of carrier 2 around
20      the axle line A is represented in fig. 4. Assuming the position on the top right (indicated as 3°) the
      weight moves down under the influence of gravity, whereby it will attempt to move away from axial
      line A in a radial direction along its guiding path 8 while influenced by the centrifugal force.


25      This radial movement is restricted by guiding rings 13. When the weight almost reaches its lowest
      position 3-5 the radius of guiding ring 13 starts to diminish, which causes weight 3 on its upwards
30      motion to be forced into a radial direction towards axial line A. At around the level of axial line A
      the radius of guiding ring 13 starts to increase again, which causes weight 3 to move outwards
      again starting at position 3-12. This means in essence that weight 3 is being "hurled".


               (9)

      Due to the variation of distance of the weight with respect to the axial line A, a rotational
      momentum   is generated which is translated to axle 6.
         Even though fig. 4 shows the motion of a single weight, it will be evident that
 5      all the weights follow an identical path. This is shown in fig. 5A to 5D, where a setup of the
      conversion unit 101 is shown with four weights 103a-103d and guiding tracks 108. In these
10      views is shown how weights 103(a red.)-103d move from and towards each other.

         In the setup of conversion unit 301 which is currently being prepared for practical
15      application tests there are placed two carriers 302 next to each other with spacing (fig. 7). Each
      weight 303 is shown to have a joining part 310 which protrudes on both sides through the guiding
      track 308 in both carriers 302 and into the rings 313 of the guiding materials 304. The guiding tracks
20      inthis example have the shape of a hockey stick; they are in essence straight and only have a curved
      segment on the radial far end 309 (fig. 8 ) Because of this shape the weights 303 are subjected to
      a short but violent hurling motion. It should be noted that the straight parts of the guiding tracks 308
      are not purely radially aligned but rather are slightly offset with regards to axial line A.

         Even though the invention has been explained through a number of examples it should be
30      obvious that it is not limited to these. There could be more or less carriers and weights than previously
      shown, and the carriers and weights could also have different shapes and dimensions. For example the
      carrier instead of being a disc shape with guiding tracks could also

                  (10)

      be constructed as a wheel with spokes with sliding weights.
         The extent of the invention is therefor solely determined by the following conclusions:
   


                  (11)

Conclusions

         1. Installation for the conversion of gravitational energy into motional energy, containing:
            - at least one rotatable carrier with a horizontal axle with at least one attached
 5      weight which is mainly radially movable relative to the axle, and
            - means collaborating with the carrier to guide the radial movement of the at
      least one weight .
10         2. Conversion unit according to conclusion 1, with the feature, that the guiding
      materials are setup to move the at least one weight near the top of its path around the rotational axis
      away from the axle in an accelerated motion.
15         3. Conversion unit according to conclusion 1 or 2,with the feature, that a number
      of weights is attached to the carrier in a circumferencial way.
         4. Conversion unit according to previous conclusions,with the feature, that the
20      or any weight is radially movable on or housed in the carrier.
         5.  Conversion unit according to conclusion 4,with the feature, that the appearance
      of the carrier is a disc, on which or in which a mainly radially guiding track is formed for the
25      or any weight.
         6. Conversion unit according to conclusion 5,with the feature, that the or all guiding
      tracks at least has a curving segment in the rotational direction on the its far end away from the axle.


                  (12)

         7. Conversion unit according to conclusion 6,with the feature, that the or all guiding
      tracks show a hockey stick pattern.
 5         8. Conversion unit according to conclusion 6,with the feature, that the or all guiding
      tracks show a smooth flowing curvature over its entire lenght.
         9. Conversion unit according to one of conclusions 5 to 8,with the feature, that the
      or all guiding tracks have at least a partially serrated surface.
10         10. Conversion unit according to one of conclusions 5 to 9,with the feature, that the
      or all weights are divided and connected by a pertruding joining part through the guiding track in the
      disc shaped carrier.
15         11. Conversion unit according to one of conclusions 5 to 9,with the feature, that
      two disc shaped carriers with spacing are placed parallel to each other and share one or more weights
      which are installed in the spacing between, and the or all weights show a pertruding joining part on
20      both sides of the disc shaped carriers.
         
         12. Conversion unit according to one of the previous conclusions,with the feature,
25      that the guiding means consist of at least one parallel to its rotational plane covering ring placed next to
      the carrier, along which the or all weights are movable.
         13. Conversion unit according to conclusion 12,with the feature, that the guiding
30      means encompass two on both sides of the carrier placed rings.
         14. Conversion unit according to conclusion 12 or 13,with the feature, that the or
      any ring runs in an eccentrically horizontal direction with regards to the rotational axle of the carrier.

                  (13)

         15. Conversion unit according to one of conclusions 12 to14,with the feature, that
 5      the or any ring shows a mainly vertically aligned oval shape.
         16. Conversion unit according to one of the previous conclusions,featured by the
      installation of secundary housing materials around the circumference of the carrier.
10         17. Conversion unit according to conclusion 16,with the feature, that the secundary
      housing materials contain a number of spacers which run from the carrier towards the guiding materials
      and are housed by a ring which is placed around the guiding materials.
15         18. Conversion unit according to one of the previous conclusions,with the feature,
      that at least the carrier and/or the guiding materials are contructed out of glass.


The first 4.5 pages I'll do later, they are not that relevant.

Now back to the regular scheduled program, have a lot of catching up to do

Hi Cherryman, good to see you back


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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #512 on: April 12, 2009, 10:18:54 PM »
Hi Aquariuz, i had to search some easter eggs  ;D

Anyway, good work on the translation!


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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #513 on: April 12, 2009, 10:20:51 PM »
Cherryman, fine work as always.

Suggestions:

1)  Scale down your Rhino models before importing to WM2D.  Your current model wheel is 200M across.  The Centrifugal Forces at the rim for even the slowest of rotations are magnitudes of times greater than the force of gravity on each weight.  I think you want the Force due to rotation and the Force due to gravity to at least be within a factor of 10 if you expect to see the interactions of the two visually in the sim.

2)  How about a catch for the ball when it is launch back up to the outer egde of the slots?  But maybe again this is too soon.  It will add a lot of complexity to the model and require more computations and therefore errors per frame.  But if you worked with only two slots instead of all 8 it might still calculate quick enough.

Keep it up!

M.

I Will look into that scaling down, i was under the impression it was in .cm  ::)

When you ad cathers to the design then you get something like my early prototypes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSaKQEn0Wwc&feature=channel_page

So there has to be something else...

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #514 on: April 12, 2009, 10:33:55 PM »
This simply cannot work as presented...

I'll try anyway using glass

Darned

IS HE HIDING SOMETHING?

This looks like half a patent

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #515 on: April 12, 2009, 10:36:30 PM »
This simply cannot work as presented...

I'll try anyway using glass

Darned

IS HE HIDING SOMETHING?

This looks like half a patent

Must be.. 

Does he has a working prototype? It could also be that he believes in the principle, convinced a few companies and is allowed to TRY building it...  So Without calling him a lier, just wondering if there is any mention of a working protype.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #516 on: April 12, 2009, 10:44:04 PM »
Cherryman, fine work as always.

Suggestions:

1)  Scale down your Rhino models before importing to WM2D.  Your current model wheel is 200M across.  The Centrifugal Forces at the rim for even the slowest of rotations are magnitudes of times 

There is an issue with Wm2d that when you scale too small contraints break so much easier, this has to do with accuracy settings. It stops being fun when you get hit by integrator errors all the time.

I would try large scale first and then scale down to actual size, but that's just me

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #517 on: April 12, 2009, 10:48:07 PM »
Must be.. 

Does he has a working prototype? It could also be that he believes in the principle, convinced a few companies and is allowed to TRY building it...  So Without calling him a lier, just wondering if there is any mention of a working protype.

There are two mentions. One in the video

"The real prototype is somewere else. The location is kept secret"

Two in the patent page nine section 10/15:

            In the setup of conversion unit 301 which is currently being prepared for practical
      application tests there are placed two carriers 302 next to each other with spacing (fig. 7).

I am starting to have doubts now too, sorry to say.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #518 on: April 12, 2009, 10:50:46 PM »
Greetings All

 After seeing the patent and the drawings. I have but one question. With all this, why is there not some form of video proof to go with it? If it is a done deal it is a done deal. Wright? ::)

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #519 on: April 12, 2009, 10:56:35 PM »
Greetings All

 After seeing the patent and the drawings. I have but one question. With all this, why is there not some form of video proof to go with it? If it is a done deal it is a done deal. Wright? ::)

I think he thought he really "had" it in 2007 but made some form of measuring mistake.

Either that or the patent is incomplete and he really has found it.


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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #520 on: April 12, 2009, 10:56:42 PM »
Those teeth in figure 6 must engage with the weight like a rack to give them rotation,

This is classic Carnot. The rotating weights are analogous to temperature motion of the atoms, The weights on the downside are analogous the the pressure motion. The rising section is the adiabatic exchange equivalent and the descending section is the isothermal equivalent. The driving force is the gravitational potential drop between top and bottom.

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q171/frank260332/rotation.jpg

Above is the rotating power cycle. Think of it as a two stroke and traditional Carnot as a 4 stroke engine,

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #521 on: April 12, 2009, 10:58:44 PM »
Those teeth in figure 6 must engage with the weight like a rack to give them rotation,

True, but remember it is not the weights that touch that jagged edge, it is an oval shaped joining bar (in this case)

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #522 on: April 12, 2009, 11:01:00 PM »
Those teeth in figure 6 must engage with the weight like a rack to give them rotation,

This is classic Carnot. The rotating weights are analogous to temperature motion of the atoms, The weights on the downside are analogous the the pressure motion. The rising section is the adiabatic exchange equivalent and the descending section is the isothermal equivalent. The driving force is the gravitational potential drop between top and bottom.

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q171/frank260332/rotation.jpg

Above is the rotating power cycle. Think of it as a two stroke and traditional Carnot as a 4 stroke engine,

I read you're posts with much intrest, but understanding is not always easy.

What does the above tells about the design.. can you somehow translate it in things i can use in a drwaing?

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #523 on: April 12, 2009, 11:25:51 PM »
I read you're posts with much intrest, but understanding is not always easy.

What does the above tells about the design.. can you somehow translate it in things i can use in a drwaing?

I'll do my best. ;D

Mmmm ....Well you need teeth on the axle cos this is going to give it the highest spin; These teeth engage in the rack, the toothed curve thingees. The axle needs to be as small a diameter as possible where it engages with the rack to give maximum spin. I suppose ideally it would be a conical cog engaging in a slanted rack - a bit like the DAF infinitely variable gear box - cos one has to build up rotational speed.

What happens to the rotating weight when it slams into the going down bit I wouldn't like to say,  :o

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #524 on: April 12, 2009, 11:31:55 PM »
I'll do my best. ;D

Mmmm ....Well you need teeth on the axle cos this is going to give it the highest spin; These teeth engage in the rack, the toothed curve thingees. The axle needs to be as small a diameter as possible where it engages with the rack to give maximum spin. I suppose ideally it would be a conical cog engaging in a slanted rack - a bit like the DAF infinitely variable gear box - cos one has to build up rotational speed.

What happens to the rotating weight when it slams into the going down bit I wouldn't like to say,  :o

When you with calculation state something, isn't then possible to export that into a curve as a DXF file?  If that is possible then we have the perfect angles..