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Author Topic: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant  (Read 461187 times)

Offline persume

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #30 on: April 04, 2009, 09:45:58 PM »
Actually Broli it is AquariuZ who said he had other patents, I think it is up to AquariuZ to answer.
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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #31 on: April 04, 2009, 09:50:09 PM »
http://v3.espacenet.com/searchResults?locale=en_EP&ST=quick&IA=ABELING+JACOBUS+JOHANNES&compact=false&DB=EPODOC

If I can do it in less than a minute then you sure can as well? But I guess ignorance will never dissapear  ;D.


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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #32 on: April 04, 2009, 10:10:13 PM »
No need for a cheap remark Broli. Thanks though, I did try by using his last name several times and nothing came up.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #33 on: April 04, 2009, 10:17:20 PM »
Okay then can you show me how it was discovered that he did commercial work for Shell and Phillips?


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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #34 on: April 04, 2009, 10:37:57 PM »
Okay then can you show me how it was discovered that he did commercial work for Shell and Phillips?

You know what you are probably right. I just tried finding the complete list and could not find it, I made a mistake while looking for JACOBUS and got hits for SHELL INT and PHILIPS ELECTR. an oversight, sorry.

Here now the complete list of worldwide patents where JOHANNES JACOBUS ABELING is the inventor:

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1                Energie-omzettingsinrichting.         in mijn octrooilijst   
        Uitvinder:  ABELING JACOBUS JOHANNES [NL]      Aanvrager:  ABELING BEHEER B V [NL]
        EC:      IPC:   F03G7/10; F03G7/00
        
Informatie over publicatie:      NL1034252  (C1)  —  2009-02-16
2       Light guide plate for e.g. LCD screen, has two patterns of V shaped light reflecting grooves in its front side    in mijn octrooilijst 
        Uitvinder:  ABELING JACOBUS JOHANNES [NL]      Aanvrager:  PPWS B V [NL]
        EC:   G02B6/00L    IPC:   G02B6/00; G02B6/00; (IPC1-7): G02B6/00
        
Informatie over publicatie:      NL1027958  (C2)  —  2006-07-06
3       LIGHT BOX AND METHOD FOR PLACING A LIGHT BOX IN A PORTABLE POSITION    in mijn octrooilijst 
        Uitvinder:  ABELING JACOBUS JOHANNES [NL]      Aanvrager:  VBF GROEP B V [NL] ; ABELING JACOBUS JOHANNES [NL]
        EC:   G09F13/04    IPC:   G09F13/04; G09F13/04; (IPC1-7): G09F13/04
        
Informatie over publicatie:      WO0209078  (A1)  —  2002-01-31
4       Arrangement for positioning a picture to be shown against a background    in mijn octrooilijst 
        Uitvinder:  ABELING JACOBUS JOHANNES [NL]      Aanvrager:  JACOBUS JOHANNES ABELING [NL]
        EC:   G09F21/04    IPC:   G09F21/04; G09F21/00; (IPC1-7): G09F21/04
        
Informatie over publicatie:      NL9400707  (A)  —  1995-12-01

Four patents, including the Energy Conversion Method.

I remind you that that patent has a C1 classification which is a third stage status meaning that there were two previous stages of which the initially filed patent was in 2007. Hope this now settles it. This does not diminish any of the claims made nor negates them.

I understand the frustration but as Broli said you know as much as I do with regards to this project. The fact he used "we" does not really mean anything, come on now guys, he probably worked on this with an assistant or his family for all we know. The generalization of "noone has seen it but him" should not exclude the & his own.

Do not shoot the messenger, please be patient, I am as impatient as anyone else for him to put up.

I am glad I posted the initial thread because clearly noone has even heard of this.

The original source of the Youtube video is TV Noord, a local news media channel based near Amsterdam.

Waiting for response, or someone in here with more knowledge about the project or an affiliation to one of the claimed partners on the site mooieenergie.nl for verification.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #34 on: April 04, 2009, 10:37:57 PM »
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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #35 on: April 04, 2009, 11:06:40 PM »
For what it is worth, I have just sent the following message to Henkel Benelux:

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Goodday,

Mr. Sjack Abeling of Abeling Beheer B.V. has referred on his website mooieenergie.nl to Henkel as partner in relation to the "Weight Power Plant" project of Abeling Beheer in the Netherlands.

On this website the following claim is made:

"The construction of the first "Weight Power Plant" is expected to commence in May 2009.
The location of the first Weight Power Plant is probably going to be the province of Groningen

Partners:

    * Abeling Beheer B.V. partners with Henkel B.V. http://www.henkel.com/. The system is mainly constructed out of glass. In colloboration with Henkel the Glas AanHecht company will provide innovative glueing methods for the building of the power plant."

Can you please confirm this?

I am trying to determine if this project is some kind of joke or if it is a serious project.

Thank you in advance for your attention.

With kind regards,

(signed)

I will post any replies here.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #36 on: April 05, 2009, 03:40:52 AM »
You know what you are probably right. I just tried finding the complete list and could not find it, I made a mistake while looking for JACOBUS and got hits for SHELL INT and PHILIPS ELECTR. an oversight, sorry.

Here now the complete list of worldwide patents where JOHANNES JACOBUS ABELING is the inventor:

Four patents, including the Energy Conversion Method.

I remind you that that patent has a C1 classification which is a third stage status meaning that there were two previous stages of which the initially filed patent was in 2007. Hope this now settles it. This does not diminish any of the claims made nor negates them.

I understand the frustration but as Broli said you know as much as I do with regards to this project. The fact he used "we" does not really mean anything, come on now guys, he probably worked on this with an assistant or his family for all we know. The generalization of "noone has seen it but him" should not exclude the & his own.

Do not shoot the messenger, please be patient, I am as impatient as anyone else for him to put up.

I am glad I posted the initial thread because clearly noone has even heard of this.

The original source of the Youtube video is TV Noord, a local news media channel based near Amsterdam.

Waiting for response, or someone in here with more knowledge about the project or an affiliation to one of the claimed partners on the site mooieenergie.nl for verification.

AquariuZ

 So this seems like he is trying to get patent without a competed design? This would be another red flag to me. Or there should be some design to look at if completed, I would think.


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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #36 on: April 05, 2009, 03:40:52 AM »
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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #37 on: April 05, 2009, 04:05:01 AM »
AB
Your first red flag was hauled down above,, Shell etc...B S

Your second seems to not follow the evolution and additions to patents ,ie  a work improved or expounded upon by the inventor

Whom as I understand will be sharing this info publicly

Chet

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #38 on: April 05, 2009, 10:48:26 AM »
As a New Yorker would say: The Dutchman is pulling his putz.

Hans von Lieven

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #39 on: April 05, 2009, 01:32:01 PM »
AB
Your first red flag was hauled down above,, Shell etc...B S

Your second seems to not follow the evolution and additions to patents ,ie  a work improved or expounded upon by the inventor

Whom as I understand will be sharing this info publicly

Chet

Chet

Well that's fine with me. But when things are uncertain when people say things without red flagging People fall into things like hype and fraud. For instance there have been thousands of frauds and no runners. This whole string looks to be a setup for possible fraud. Just to much hype and no evidence. Not even a covered wheel either started on its own or a slight push with an acceleration. Without this there is nothing to even consider if a working device even exist. I await the public and proper evidence. 

PS in the US shell is a gas co.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
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Offline dutchy1966

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #40 on: April 05, 2009, 03:06:57 PM »
Hi everyone,

On Abelings website i found a short description of the principle he uses. Seems like is harnessing the centrifugal force that the weights are creating. I've translated the part below.
I hope it helps.

From his website:

V: Waar komt de extra energie vandaan in uw systeem?
Q: Where does the excess energy in your system come from?

A: De gewichten worden per twee toegepast, een vallend/duw gewicht en een gewicht dat omhoog gebracht moet worden. Door de vinding van het duo hefkrachtsysteem ondervindt het vallend/duw gewicht nagenoeg geen hinder van het gewicht dat omhooggebracht moet worden.
Linksboven in het systeem ontstaat een versnelling van het gewicht (zoals bij kogel stoten). Het gewicht verplaatst zich hier sneller dan het systeem waarin het zich bevind, waardoor het systeem op deze plaats (rechtsboven in het systeem) een duw krijgt, want het systeem vangt het gewicht weer op. De route van de gebruikte gewichten in het systeem wordt vooraf bepaald. Daardoor bevinden de gewichten zich altijd in een vaste positie ten opzichte van elkaar, zodat het gewicht dat omhoog gebracht moet worden minder weerstand uitoefend op het vallend/duw gewicht. Dit zorgt ervoor dat het systeem vanuit iedere stand/positie begint te draaien. De extra kracht wordt linksonder in het systeem gerealiseerd en bovenin het systeem overgebracht op het systeem zelf waardoor versnelling (extra energie) ontstaat. Wanneer het systeem het gewicht niet zou opvangen dan zou het gewicht met hoge snelheid wegvliegen.

A: The weights are applied in pairs, one falling/pushing weight and a weight that has to be lifted. Because of the invention of the "twin liftingsystem" the falling/pushing weight is hardly hindered by the weight that has to be lifted.
In the upperleft of the system an acceleration of the weight is created (like with shot put). At this popint the weight moves faster than the system it is part of. The system gets pushed in this area (upper right area) because it has to 'catch' the accelerated weight. The route the weights take in the system is predetermined, that way the weights are always aligned with eachother in a way that the weight that has to be raised, puts less resistance onto the falling/pushing weight. This accomplishes that the system starts rotating from any position. The excess power is realised in the bottom left end of the system and in the top system transferred to the system itself, by which acceleration (= excess energy) is created.
If the system wouldn't 'catch' the weight it would leave the system at high velocity.     


Regards,

Dutchy  (and yes... I'm Dutch. )
« Last Edit: April 05, 2009, 03:30:57 PM by dutchy1966 »

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #41 on: April 05, 2009, 05:24:15 PM »
Dutchy your effort is appreciated but his website is already translated to English  ;D.


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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #42 on: April 05, 2009, 06:11:03 PM »
Dutchy your effort is appreciated but his website is already translated to English  ;D.

Great translation though, so thanks  ;)

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #43 on: April 05, 2009, 06:15:32 PM »
That sounds like it is possible then.  If you think of an aircraft wing, it is also somewhat "D" shaped, this allows the air on the top of the wing to have to speed up to flow as fast as the air on the bottom (since the distance is greater).  The faster flow causes the pressure to be reduced on top allowing the air on the bottom to push up on the wing to generate lift.  I am not saying his weights are generating lift, up if using the same principle with the speed sounds feasible.

Mark


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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #44 on: April 05, 2009, 06:17:01 PM »
Chet

This whole string looks to be a setup for possible fraud. Just to much hype and no evidence. Not even a covered wheel either started on its own or a slight push with an acceleration. Without this there is nothing to even consider if a working device even exist. I await the public and proper evidence. 

AB, I would not call it hype at all, it is just a website. There are no link farms, no media coverage, nothing. I found it by accident Googling Abeling. Not much Hype, he just gives a current status report.

If he has not contacted me by tomorrow night I will call his company on Tuesday, because I feel like a child who was promised some candy and is then told "maybe tomorrow".

I want my candy.

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