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Author Topic: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant  (Read 530211 times)

Offline Omnibus

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #90 on: April 07, 2009, 07:25:01 AM »
@Grimer,

Academics are comfortable in their theory of relativity swamp while society has to rely on truck drivers to come up with something sensible. We’re living in tragic times. Real dead-end.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #91 on: April 07, 2009, 09:13:25 AM »
All that our good Professor did was hedging his bets. That is what academia does. Ask them for a definitive statement on something controversial and all you get is weasel talk.

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Re: Update: CONTACT WITH SJACK ABELING
« Reply #92 on: April 07, 2009, 09:40:10 AM »
Just gotten off the (mobile) phone with Sjack Abeling, he was calm, very polite and informative.

Where to start:

IT IS REAL

He has a partnership with Henkel for the glue techniques and Erik (Engine/Turbines/Generators) has the commission for the generators.

Money is not the real issue, he has core investors.The Patent(s) are handled by a commercial company, and he is confident they will be accepted. The word Perpetuum Mobile or infinity is not used and should not be desired.A basic agreement is made with the Ministry of Economic affairs.

It is all exactly as stated. The core of the system is the Dual Leverage System as described. He says it works with an incredible acceleration from stand still and the main engineering issue is the correct way to keep the system from destroying itself, in other words containment via some form of advanced braking system. He said that is what is he spending most of his time on right now.

He was sorry he could not divulge any information yet, but the investors will not allow him to present anything as a stipulation of their providing Venture Capital. He said however that the moment he gets the ok he will start a tour across schools for starters. He mentioned that he would update the site with what he could, but in the short term (weeks) no full disclosure is to be expected.

In closing I asked if he would want to say anything to the members on this forum:

"Volhouden, het is zeker mogelijk" which means:

"Persevere, it is indeed possible".

I do not know if I should laugh or cry because on the one hand after having spoken to him I am convinced he is for real and on the other hand I really fear his invention will be bought & suppressed by a some corporation...

It is too early to tell.

Cheer up AquariuZ. I think it's real too cos I can understand what is going on. At first I thought it must be an extension of the work of that New Zealander, Bruce de Palma. But I now see that Sjack is probably invoking a higher derivative than acceleration, i.e. rate of change of acceleration. This will really unhinge the internal gyros..

After all, Sjack isn't the first is he. There was that fat bloke, Bob, a few years ago - and though that one has never seen the full light of day, it hasn't been disproved either.

I realise it is very difficult for people to believe that when they push against an object to accelerate it, they are only doing the equivalent of turning their steering wheel (in a modern car) but nature has evidently developed servo-mechanisms long before we thought of them. Not surprising really is it?

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Re: Update: CONTACT WITH SJACK ABELING
« Reply #92 on: April 07, 2009, 09:40:10 AM »
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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #93 on: April 07, 2009, 10:05:41 AM »
The way one can be received by internal servos can easily be demonstrated in the case of rotational inertia by filling a black box with free running gyros in gimbals. If the gimbals are free then it is easy to rotate the box. Lock the gimbals and the rotational inertia (mass if you didn't understand what mass really is and didn't know what was going on) increases enormously.

Likewise, any decent engineer could devise a railway waggon where if you pushed against it with a force of 1 pound, release of gyro energy would drive the wheels with a force of 1000 pounds.
The human pusher would be deceived into thinking that the mass of the carriage was far less than in reality since he would judge the mass from the acceleration produced by the force he applied. He would  not realise that the energy he was putting in was merely a control energy which was being multiplied a thousand times by the machinery inside the waggon.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #94 on: April 07, 2009, 10:35:59 AM »
All that our good Professor did was hedging his bets. That is what academia does. Ask them for a definitive statement on something controversial and all you get is weasel talk.

Hans von Lieven

Not only that, but if you confront them with a totally heretical idea together with substantial evidence all you will get is silence. In short if you challenge them to fight, they back off and slink away. Early in my career I realised it made far more sense to see materials as held together from without rather than from within - with all the implications as to the existence of the aether that this implied. In short, that internal tensions were merely negations, reduction in external pressure.

An international conference was coming up in which we had to present our experimental work. I realised that to be true to myself I must put forward this heretical view. I wasn't looking forward to it and expected to be lynched (metaphorically speaking). To my amazement the only comment we got was some chap who came up after the conference dinner looking very worried and said,

"That paper of yours. It was a hoax, wasn't it?"

We fell about laughing and assured him that we were deadly serious. I don't think he believed us.

To be quite honest I came to the conclusion that people only go to those conferences for the beer.


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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #95 on: April 07, 2009, 11:01:45 AM »
So, we are in a bad shape. On the one hand we have a whole department (center): http://www.rug.nl/natuurkunde/onderzoek/instituten/ctn/organisatie/index full of bright people who with full certainty are wasting their time 100% while the society perceives them as reliable scientists. On the other hand we have the likes of Sjack Abeling, more of a gold-digger than anything else (why otherwise the games he is playing), who may be onto something while hiding in his barn. The former is institutionalized provable nonsense, the latter a betting game. We are really in a bad shape.

If you really want to get involved why not pay Sjack a visit instead of the professor.

He is not "hiding" in his barn. His data is publically available. I even spoke to him over the phone. I would visit him myself but I am 1600 miles away from Ter Apel.

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« Reply #96 on: April 07, 2009, 11:03:47 AM »
NO COMMENTS ON MY THEORY?

Is it that bad?

Racking my brain reading the clues over the past few days this is my initial try... The weights are connected via bars like the things used in weightlifting (Dutch: "Halter"). The wheel consists of two layers with slots. The halters effectively connect the two wheel layers... To get the "D" type action, some form of static barrier must be placed between the two wheel layers, which will stop the bars connecting the weights from going past the six o clock position, effectively pushing the welter in an upward motion, shot putting the halter (two weights connected with a steel bar) from the six o clock position into the twelve o clock position on the other side. Pow. The halter lands between twelve and one o clock and falls into place where gravity takes a hold.

There are 16 slots on each wheel, each "Tube" has two slots, one halter per tube so a total of 8 halters for the system.

Here a quick wm2d model I made, yes, it is full of errors but hopefully you will see what I am trying to say. This is the view from one side, you should see the spheres as only one part of the halter. I have made only 8 slots, as the full 16 would be too intensive for now. Funny thing is that the slots look somewhat like boots (as in the video).

Model download http://www.gigasize.com/get.php?d=yz59m4y7wqd

It is 1.34Mb zipped.

Needless to say the barrier stops the weights in this model whereas in the real model the bar connecting the weights would be stopped. For motion display purposes I use a motor at -0.20 rad I would not dare to presume to create an entire working model of the actual system because this is simply not possible with this software.

Hopefully I will be able to make a more complete view soon. Looking forward to suggestions.

Edit: this is what I mean with halter, it is a dumbbell weight

Second picture: The dumbbell path viewed from the side with the white circle being the axle of the wheel, the right side being the fixed acceleration path and the left side being the lifting or dumbbell shot-put path.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #97 on: April 07, 2009, 11:23:20 AM »
@Aquariuz

I do not normally post strong views about ideas as I do not wish to upset anyone... but a device generating power from weights, in whatever arrangement, is rubbish. I only say this so that those people listening to those people pushing such ideas and talking investors know to be wary (run in fact).

Phyics is physics, sometimes slightly wrong, sometimes yet to be discovered but wheels and weights hold no possible surprises.

Regards

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #98 on: April 07, 2009, 12:24:03 PM »
but a device generating power from weights, in whatever arrangement, is rubbish. I only say this so that those people listening to those people pushing such ideas and talking investors know to be wary (run in fact).

Everything that can be invented has been invented.
    Charles H. Duell, Commissioner, U.S. patent office, 1899 (attributed)


Without further comment.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #99 on: April 07, 2009, 01:28:53 PM »
Everything that can be invented has been invented.
    Charles H. Duell, Commissioner, U.S. patent office, 1899 (attributed)


Without further comment.
Lol, why no comment? I'd like to hear your thoughts about that...

Yes, this was one of those "historical" statements which is still widely used by the "FE" proponents as a "proof how science is blind".... I suggest you explore the background of this famous statement, it certainly is interesting...

Surely, you don't believe that some clerk opinion could represent a general scientific opinion of that time? Why did you pick the minority opinion? Because it suits you at the moment?

Shall we start with the flat Earth, Heliocentric stuff,..  Alchemy, Phlogiston..
Continuing with Tesla, Edison,... Wright brothers, flight,... tectonic plates,.. .. rockets,.. the bumblebee story, genetics,..etc...? Pick one...

People always make mistakes. Me, You, ... and everyone else...

Just reread this thread of yours, and list all the false statements made by anyone participating so far....

The results?
Cheers!

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #100 on: April 07, 2009, 02:08:44 PM »
@Aquariuz
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Phyics is physics, sometimes slightly wrong, sometimes yet to be discovered but wheels and weights hold no possible surprises.

If it works then you will be in for a nice treat, the nicest surprise of all, an impossible surprise.

I do envy you, ;D

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #101 on: April 07, 2009, 02:28:00 PM »
The way one can be received by internal servos can easily be demonstrated in the case of rotational inertia by filling a black box with free running gyros in gimbals. If the gimbals are free then it is easy to rotate the box. Lock the gimbals and the rotational inertia (mass if you didn't understand what mass really is and didn't know what was going on) increases enormously.

OK.

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Likewise, any decent engineer could devise a railway waggon where if you pushed against it with a force of 1 pound, release of gyro energy would drive the wheels with a force of 1000 pounds.
The human pusher would be deceived into thinking that the mass of the carriage was far less than in reality since he would judge the mass from the acceleration produced by the force he applied. He would  not realise that the energy he was putting in was merely a control energy which was being multiplied a thousand times by the machinery inside the waggon.

Frank, you're a "decent engineer", so you can "devise" that wagon of yours all by yourself..
Or, at least provide some serious data to back up this experiment...

You can use a "gyro fairy" to spinn all the gyros which will then propell (tricky mechanism, but as Grimer says, any engineer can solve this...) the wagon only by a slight push of some external force.... No need for a locomotive? If I understand this correctly, i could push the wagon (?) all by myself? As long as the gyros are spinning? 1000:1 "gain"?
That would be something...

Either I don't understand what you're saying here, or your "wagon case" is simply wrong...
Cheers!

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #102 on: April 07, 2009, 02:31:30 PM »
Hi AquariuZ,
thanks for getting involved and thanks for posting your wm2d file.
I also think that Sjack has designed his logo for a reason and I think it depicts the path of the weights in his system.

I think that the dots in his logo should be interpreted as parts of a chain (= links of a chain).

Obviously the weights (= links of the chain) which are pulled up through the middle of the wheel, do not create torque whereas the weights on the rim of the wheel create torque and lead to rotation of the wheel.

The problem where I am stuck in my mind, is how to create a 'mechanical interface' which pulls/puts the chain onto the rim of the wheel at 12 o' clock.

I wish you success with your next simulation.

PS: if Sjack wants to slow down the wheel, it may be a good idea to do it with a pendulum which he can link to the wheel as Bessler did.
see right side of
http://www.orffyre.com/Weissenstein1.jpg
In this way he can force the rotation of the wheel into a fixed rhythm.
« Last Edit: April 07, 2009, 02:57:47 PM by oscar »

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #103 on: April 07, 2009, 02:45:02 PM »
I Think slowing the wheel down is a minor problem, just increase the load.  Connect more generatos or a gearbox .. So when it wants to spin out of control you increase the resistance, wich will also supply more energy or heat.. So that is a win-win situation.

( Or am i missing something?)

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #104 on: April 07, 2009, 02:57:33 PM »
@aquariuz

Reality check required.

The search for alternate energy must at least have some logic.

If someone calims to have a working device and claims the energy comes from, say, zero point energy, then it deserves looking at.

If it might come from thermal, or some 22 dimensional vortex then we should try to see if it might be so, even if it does not easily gel in our minds.

But this device does not give any hint of any claim of it coming from a theoretical source, just a claim it comes from common, everyday gravity........

Logic says 1=1 and for gravity (weights) potential enerrgy is m x g x h. Nothing magical here, simple arithmetic. So whatever you do you simply transfer potential energy to kinetic and back to potential with frictional losses slowly bringing things to a halt.

If there is no logic or hope then why do people want to make FE look like mumbo jumbo.

Let us search for real ideas / theories and investigate claims based upon common sense.

Phil

 

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