And some nice pictures of  a  homemade Cavitation  Pump being built and installed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgXiEE6_Nqw

The fact of the matter is that we are still all screwed in our asses over the world's energy problem no matter which way we look at it.

Yes, Moab and IronHead gave good examples of converting energy (like the cavitation pump), but we can convert energy until we are blue in the face and we will still end up cold. We would need a source of energy, and nothing presented so far on any site on the internet in any place has provided significant and most importantly reproducible information about a clean and infinite [renewable] source of energy (other than the givens, such as solar and hydro-electrics).

Sure we have countless threads and countless websites with countless followers of countless "masters" who think they have the answers, but still to this day nothing has changed from the regular hustle and bustle of the free energy culture. Everyone is still stumbling over the same old quirks and effects in physics which fail to break the laws if you look closely at them. There are always holes in logic, and there always will be. Humans are notorious for taking shortcuts in logic in order to come to conclusions which help us feel better about ourselves. No one would want to spend thousands of hours of their life on earth just to end up with nothing. Even if there is blaring evidence contrary to their beliefs about something, it is a natural process to completely leave said evidence out of conscious awareness and come to the conclusion one wants. Religion is a testament to this. There is no evidence of a god, of and Adam or Eve, or of the universe being created in seven days (in fact there is countless evidence against this), and yet millions upon millions still hold these beliefs dearly and don't dare to question them.

If there was an effective, easy, safe way to save ourselves from our impending energy crisis, we would have found it by now. I know that laws can bend, and things change over history, but we are at a point where the current model if physics is so complete (with the exception of a unified theory), that only minute changes here and there are possible.

But there is an effective, easy, and safe way to save ourselves. We have had it since the beginning of the universe. It has been with us forever, and yet we choose to ignore it. It is nothing. We have to use nothing. We need to stop consuming at the rate we are; we have to stop raping the planet of its resources. We need to stop acting like a cancer. EVERY other species that has inhabited this Earth has NEVER had an impact of such great magnitude as we have created. We have single handedly altered the weather cycles, killed (and are still killing) off many other species to extinction, not due to natural selection or environmental pressures, but because we are so damn fixated on having more, building more, and consuming more.

We can no longer play the "We are superior because we can think" card to justify our actions. This is not a matter of dignity, of proving we are better. The planet could care less. In order to survive as a human race, we have to realize together that we must stop our ways or we will KILL this Earth, and us along with it.


Just take a step back and look at the current state of the world. We can't even get along with each other. We are blowing each other up for no reason other than trying to prove that one god (essentially merely an idea) is better than the other; that one ideology is superior than the next. If we are expecting to perpetuate our existence on this Earth, we first have to get along with each other before we can get along with the earth.


We have a long way to go, and I believe that many people on this forum, and on any other forum are taking the wrong approach to saving the world. They are merely trying to justify the fact that we can consume (because if we can develop free energy, it won't matter how much we consume), but the fact of the matter is we can't. We are a cancer to mother earth, and before we can find a solution we first have to realize that we are a problem.

If there was an effective, easy, safe way to save ourselves from our impending energy crisis, we would have found it by now. I know that laws can bend, and things change over history, but we are at a point where the current model if physics is so complete (with the exception of a unified theory), that only minute changes here and there are possible.
 ---- Quote by Sataure

Reminds me of: "If man could fly, he would have wings."

and before the Michaelson-Morely experiment, physicists thought they had it all figured out with the ether that surrounded us. Until the experiment showed there was NO ether. Then came Einstein and his theory, and the whole of old physics was thrown into Chaos.

Trouble is, Einstein had to assume that the speed of light was constant in order to explain the M/M experiment.  Do you still believe that the speed of light is constant? Many scientists no longer do, so this throws even more Chaos into the mix.

My point is, there is no firm evidence that the current model of physics IS complete. In fact, there are so many anomalies that are still unexplained that you can't ignore the fact that there is so much more we humans need to learn about our universe.

Therefore, my mind is not closed to research in this direction, unlike some others who post here. Just because you cannot see the definitive proof now, doesn't mean you will never see it in the future. So closed a mind can never see mankind expand into the universe that surrounds us.

Unlimited energy is not a curse, it is a harnessing of power. The power to dream, explore, and expand beyond our earthly borders. Mars is closest, and if you search on the net you will find organizations that have rational, science-based ideas on how to terra-form that planet for human habitation.

I work in research every working day. I can assure you we do not know everything about the universe. I also believe in the Research process to find the TRUTH that surrounds us, as long as your mind is open to the truth.

Sorry Sataure, you are wrong. Thankfully many humans never had your defeatist mindset throughout history. We would still be living in caves and eating with our bare hands, blaming the guy next door for stealing our backyard rabbits and other food sources, and never discovering the beauty of Calculus.

I think physics is great and is a great model for inventions, however, physics is only temporary and is always some how having to be changed because some brilliant man invented something that disproved it. Thats why physics SHOUDN"T ALWAYS be trusted for everything. You assume the carnival will have some clowns, but sometimes thats not the case, and plus, don't assume every clown will be funny.....(i don't want to get into that )

Well politics aside from water-fuel and hydrogen technologies, we first have to have a replicative, efficient model before we have to worry about anything.

Even if we did find an efficiency over 100, it would have to be quite a bit greater over 100% before it would be efficient and practical to go into mass production. One must think about the energy it takes to gather, refine, and assemble materials to create a finished product, and if the energy it takes to produce the device or appliance is greater than the energy produced by said device within the mean operable time frame (that is to say, the amount of time the device is predicted to operate before malfunction), then the device is no longer a viable source of new energy.

You also have to think about availability of materials. If we suddenly found a new device that produced a lot of power but also used a lot of copper or neodymium (quite a difficult material to refine and find), then the cost of materials would increase dramatically as the demand increases, just like what happened to oil over the years. Instead of Exxon and other powerful oil companies, we will have new powerful companies based around the copper or neodymium industries.

So you see, even if we seem to have solved a problem by developing new technologies based upon certain materials, new problems with greed and control will arise around the new industries.

Again, the only viable way to stop this cycle would be to stop consuming so much and reduce our dependencies upon material goods.

Now, perhaps new discoveries will lessen the effects of greed and power that we have today in the oil economy, but ultimately the cycle will continue again.

Just my two cents.

I think physics is great and is a great model for inventions, however, physics is only temporary and is always some how having to be changed because some brilliant man invented something that disproved it. Thats why physics SHOUDN"T ALWAYS be trusted for everything. You assume the carnival will have some clowns, but sometimes thats not the case, and plus, don't assume every clown will be funny.....(i don't want to get into that )

What the hell was I thinking when I compared carnival clowns to physics?

Is it not the clowns that are thee pinnacle of over consumption . With there excessive use of makup and shoes 5 times to big. All that plastic and Nylon. Youthink they use those little bikes for transportation ,NO! Enough material on there backs to cloth 12 people .I say DO AWAY WITH THE CLOWNS **Pink Floyd voice**  "getum  up against the WALL "
Clowns are scary anyway .

There really was a point in this post .
IronHead