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Mechanical free energy devices => mechanic => Topic started by: 4REAL on June 17, 2007, 09:39:31 PM
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In reference to all the videos I have watched all the web pages I have visited. I have yet to see any thing realevent, not one single thing. Be it hydrogen generation, magnetic motors, or over unity.The v gate guy with the green skateboard wheel seems the most honest. The gentleman who has 5 postings on you tube about his Joseph Newman motor. Great I love it now show me how the frickin thing is built so I can try it for myself.
Not a single one of theses videos or web pages gives comprehensive instruction on how to make any of there devices, EVEN THE ONES, ESPECIALLY THE ONES, THAT ClAIM WHAT THEY ARE DOING IS FOR ALL OF OUR BENEFIT.
The guy from hydrogen tap very interesting chap except he only needs two video's not 95. One that shows a working device powering a drivable car and another that shows and explains how he built it and what parts I will need to build one.
I am glad I have only bought one DVD. One that claimed to show how to power my car with an on demand hydrogen generator. Then when I left feed back stating it was full of irrelevant material the guy gets mad explaining I need to visit his web site. I visit the web site and he admits openly that the device is a work in progress and good luck with our experiments.
I believe in zero point, I believe in the either, I believe in over unity so for Gods sake some one show me a working device I can build at home or its all hot air.
I admit I am not a very intelligent person so all you people out there working for the benefit of mankind sell me a set of plans with comprehensive instructions for a device that will at least inspire me or shut the *#@% up.
You discredit your selves with all this ego grasping. You discredit your selves with exaggerated claims, no substance and no credible solid evidence or theory.
SHOW ME SOMETHING THAT WORKS PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Forgive my rant
Geoffrey
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Forgive my rant
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Do like the rest of us and try experimenting for yourself.
You think you are frustrated?? , try working on a hundred different ideas with no result, then winge, till then earn your place to Cry :o
You fucked up when you described people in here as **ego grasping**.
It is not about the ego for the guys in these forums, it is about an adventure to discover what has not been discovered and sharing what they find per experiment along the way.
Think you need to read a few more threads mate.
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Rant Retracted!! :) moab
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lol
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I was really going to conjure up some innovative flame thrower on this guy .
But I can see he is just in pain.
BTW Good post Moab
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CLaNZeR
Have you posted videos on utube do you have a web page that is full of bits and pieces of other peoples work, if not then why are you so pissed off? My rant was directed at the people who are filling up the internet with so much garbage I can't find the information I need to do a LEGITIMATE experiment. Those people that are ego grasping denigrate and bury the hard work of well intentioned visionaries.
Moab
not all of us can afford heat pumps and plasma reactors nor have the time for that kind of large scale project. If you have a hot water pump that saves you $50 a month why would you want to keep that information to your self? That kind of work is exactly what I am looking for show me how to do it. Maybe I can make some kind of contribution.
Thats why I am here because I have a genuine concern for the well being of people who have a genuine need for these technologies. and I have not been able to find lesson one in amongst all the crap. I am not a beggar just looking for legitimate base to start from.
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I'm all about sharing info with others, if they are truely doing the work, you can tell... It's when they want flat out "hand it to me" verbatim instructions to avoid doing any work themselves... then my responses are more along the lines of..."why don't you go outside and play hide and go f*ck yourself"
(http://www.gearheadkustoms.com/specialolympics.jpg)
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The world is Ugly
The only contribution you seem to have is pissing and moaning about how you can't build. It is obvious that you can not see what works and what does not work based on this non-ability to build you own world , so you buy it. But we have nothing here for you ,nothing you can buy. Nor do we have anything for you to build because of the prior statement you are unable. So stick with paying high bills and buying your life off the shelf.
You came into this forum in the wrong way and now I feel you will get nothing but shrugs when you need help and you do need help . I can feel your anger , the bills piling up on you , working your ass of to make ends meet, Going crazy because the the Corps are raising prices of everything and The Govs with the high taxes. I have felt that pain though it was long ago.
Forget trying to build anything , it's just not you. You will work your ass off for the rest of you life to buy off the shelf.
Even if you wanted to learn to build it will take you years.Something we have been doing since we were children. I am sorry but that is how it works.
The self contained and operating
IronHead
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My rant was not directed at any one here. It bothers me that I have pissed you all off. I expressed myself poorly.
I honestly thought that buy expressing my frustration here in this forum that I would be directed to a source of information where I could begin to learn some thing.
I am sorry
thank you for your help
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Tell me about yourself skeptic84
What do you do for a living and so on, some background.
Lets see where you might start to learn our ways.
The ways of the builder
IronHead
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I am A house painter I have been a fabricator, a Brunswick pinsetter mechanic, an oppspeck engineer for a plastic injection molding company. I have even assisted in the engineering of a meter mix dispensing machine for silicone rubber extrusions and although you couldn't guess it from my careless posting I am a student of Buddhism.
I am genuinely concerned about the world having depleted its oil reserves and what that means for all of us ordinary folks and those much less fortunate than us. I am optimistic though, I believe that we are surrounded by untapped sources of energy.
I am not the brightest person, I often do not express myself well. Out side of complex electronic circuits I can trouble shoot and repair complex mechanical and electromechanical machines. I can not start from scratch though and most of the information I find on the net about alternative energies is spoken way above my head or is very vague and most of the time seemingly secret.
But I am curious and like most of us in a very short while I will have great need to understand the things discussed here.
Geoffrey
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Wow I would have never guest. Good on you for reaching out to somewhere to learn , to wake from the matrix. As you know there are no turnkey get power for free systems .And you know why if you are that which you say in the above statements. You are an aware man in a controlled world maintained by power greed.
First off your name alone will bring on distrust to others here and any other forum as they will simple see you as a non builder with nothing but rage. It is a symbol of such a thing in the brainwashed off the shelters we see every day. Change It !
Next , I think you might want to start small if you really want to build something that works, and is fairly easy to do. To prove to yourself that you can do this and it is done. To set yourself free knowing you can survive without the controllers pulling your strings. One small step can fortify this emencly
Do you own your own home ? because we don't want to be fooling with someone else's property here.
Stop thinking , kick you brain out the door and let the mind take over then we can begin.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GteWfNeMs4w
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=HamsaYogi
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Thank You for your advice and for these invaluable links IronHead.
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4REAL a good name change. Go back and read my post again.
Now look around the forum and come back then we will disuse a few things to work with and different ways to go . Hot water, Battery charging, Fuel, AC and DC power sources, Chemical reactions.
"Welcome to the real"
IronHead
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Why? Some answers. At the end of this video are some nice number comparisons of electric motors running in RV mode.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5757587323690598971
Good reading on many technologies .
Devices 1 -20 and Patents Translated 1-56
http://www.panacea-bocaf.org/files/patrickkelly/Start.html
Practical guide of basic electronics
http://www.panacea-bocaf.org/files/patrickkelly/Tutorial.pdf
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4Real Nice 180.. The answers are in these pages and in the minds of the builders on this and other forums. Seek and you shall find.
The cavatition pump you ask about is here> http://www.hydrodynamics.com/
They wont help you. but you can build it for your own use. If you have questions i can give you a few pointers. Its a machineing project, and not all that hard to make.
But then again i have a fully equiped shop for these kind of builds.
@Ironhead. Nice links Bro!
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And some nice pictures of a homemade Cavitation Pump being built and installed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgXiEE6_Nqw
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Ironhead
nope I do not own my own home, I have spent some time browsing the forum and the links you posted. I am enthused about the forum I look forward to seeing more. Tonight I am very tired and I am going to bed.
Thanks Ironhead and Moab
have a great day!!!
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The fact of the matter is that we are still all screwed in our asses over the world's energy problem no matter which way we look at it.
Yes, Moab and IronHead gave good examples of converting energy (like the cavitation pump), but we can convert energy until we are blue in the face and we will still end up cold. We would need a source of energy, and nothing presented so far on any site on the internet in any place has provided significant and most importantly reproducible information about a clean and infinite [renewable] source of energy (other than the givens, such as solar and hydro-electrics).
Sure we have countless threads and countless websites with countless followers of countless "masters" who think they have the answers, but still to this day nothing has changed from the regular hustle and bustle of the free energy culture. Everyone is still stumbling over the same old quirks and effects in physics which fail to break the laws if you look closely at them. There are always holes in logic, and there always will be. Humans are notorious for taking shortcuts in logic in order to come to conclusions which help us feel better about ourselves. No one would want to spend thousands of hours of their life on earth just to end up with nothing. Even if there is blaring evidence contrary to their beliefs about something, it is a natural process to completely leave said evidence out of conscious awareness and come to the conclusion one wants. Religion is a testament to this. There is no evidence of a god, of and Adam or Eve, or of the universe being created in seven days (in fact there is countless evidence against this), and yet millions upon millions still hold these beliefs dearly and don't dare to question them.
If there was an effective, easy, safe way to save ourselves from our impending energy crisis, we would have found it by now. I know that laws can bend, and things change over history, but we are at a point where the current model if physics is so complete (with the exception of a unified theory), that only minute changes here and there are possible.
But there is an effective, easy, and safe way to save ourselves. We have had it since the beginning of the universe. It has been with us forever, and yet we choose to ignore it. It is nothing. We have to use nothing. We need to stop consuming at the rate we are; we have to stop raping the planet of its resources. We need to stop acting like a cancer. EVERY other species that has inhabited this Earth has NEVER had an impact of such great magnitude as we have created. We have single handedly altered the weather cycles, killed (and are still killing) off many other species to extinction, not due to natural selection or environmental pressures, but because we are so damn fixated on having more, building more, and consuming more.
We can no longer play the "We are superior because we can think" card to justify our actions. This is not a matter of dignity, of proving we are better. The planet could care less. In order to survive as a human race, we have to realize together that we must stop our ways or we will KILL this Earth, and us along with it.
Just take a step back and look at the current state of the world. We can't even get along with each other. We are blowing each other up for no reason other than trying to prove that one god (essentially merely an idea) is better than the other; that one ideology is superior than the next. If we are expecting to perpetuate our existence on this Earth, we first have to get along with each other before we can get along with the earth.
We have a long way to go, and I believe that many people on this forum, and on any other forum are taking the wrong approach to saving the world. They are merely trying to justify the fact that we can consume (because if we can develop free energy, it won't matter how much we consume), but the fact of the matter is we can't. We are a cancer to mother earth, and before we can find a solution we first have to realize that we are a problem.
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All though your phraseology is abit extream ( use nothing) and over done I can not disagree with you .
You are right. Conservation is th only way know matter what kind of energy machines are developed and used in this world. That and stop trying to save everyones life , people are suppose to die, let them !
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If there was an effective, easy, safe way to save ourselves from our impending energy crisis, we would have found it by now. I know that laws can bend, and things change over history, but we are at a point where the current model if physics is so complete (with the exception of a unified theory), that only minute changes here and there are possible.
---- Quote by Sataure
Reminds me of: "If man could fly, he would have wings."
and before the Michaelson-Morely experiment, physicists thought they had it all figured out with the ether that surrounded us. Until the experiment showed there was NO ether. Then came Einstein and his theory, and the whole of old physics was thrown into Chaos.
Trouble is, Einstein had to assume that the speed of light was constant in order to explain the M/M experiment. Do you still believe that the speed of light is constant? Many scientists no longer do, so this throws even more Chaos into the mix.
My point is, there is no firm evidence that the current model of physics IS complete. In fact, there are so many anomalies that are still unexplained that you can't ignore the fact that there is so much more we humans need to learn about our universe.
Therefore, my mind is not closed to research in this direction, unlike some others who post here. Just because you cannot see the definitive proof now, doesn't mean you will never see it in the future. So closed a mind can never see mankind expand into the universe that surrounds us.
Unlimited energy is not a curse, it is a harnessing of power. The power to dream, explore, and expand beyond our earthly borders. Mars is closest, and if you search on the net you will find organizations that have rational, science-based ideas on how to terra-form that planet for human habitation.
I work in research every working day. I can assure you we do not know everything about the universe. I also believe in the Research process to find the TRUTH that surrounds us, as long as your mind is open to the truth.
Sorry Sataure, you are wrong. Thankfully many humans never had your defeatist mindset throughout history. We would still be living in caves and eating with our bare hands, blaming the guy next door for stealing our backyard rabbits and other food sources, and never discovering the beauty of Calculus.
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I think what was meant by all of this is that unlimited power is not the cure all. Yes there are many technologies throughout the last 100 years that could give everyone on this planet free power to do as they will . Just like free water and what once was, free dirt to plant in. But I am not sure that will cure the world of it massive over use of all things they consume. I might be wrong but this is how I read into what Sataurë was trying to say . though many points go way overboard. As ResinRat has cleanly pointed out.
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I think physics is great and is a great model for inventions, however, physics is only temporary and is always some how having to be changed because some brilliant man invented something that disproved it. Thats why physics SHOUDN"T ALWAYS be trusted for everything. You assume the carnival will have some clowns, but sometimes thats not the case, and plus, don't assume every clown will be funny.....(i don't want to get into that :-[)
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All righty then I am sorry I have not been able to post again until now but as I said I am a painter and I work in a resort town full of America's wealthiest entrepreneurs and they all want there house finished and painted yesterday. You know just like the first impression I myself made with my first posting. GIMI GIMI GIMI.
I have Sunday off but I still do not have the time to respond the way I would like, to every issue or question raised in this one small thread. There is a huge wealth of information here @ over unity dot com. It would take a very long time just to look over a small portion.
I have a project that I had already started before I signed up here. I promised free unlimited use of it to a friend of mine, a very talented musician. So I have to finish that. When I do I will probably undertake the making of a motor driven mechanical switch for pulsing D.C. current. This device would enable the user to use what ever voltage they wanted at what ever amperage they wanted and enable the user to vary the pulse frequency by simply speeding up or slowing down the drive motor. Would this device have practical applications in Hydrogen generation experiments?
I do not want to start any political debates and that can be very difficult when we talk about energy in todays world. I believe that there are turn key solutions that would serve the common persons energy needs. But just think of what it would mean if you or I came up with a device that would enable the common working person to convert there car and home to run on tap water. It would crush the most powerful and most profitable industry in the world today. In turn it could bring world PEACE and that would crush the second most powerful and profitable industry in the world today, the industrial military complex. THEYwill never let that happen, not easily!
One thing THEY do not take into account and that is,
"that there are three things that can not be concealed for long, the Sun, the Moon and the truth!"
Buddha
See you soon
With Compassion
4REAL
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Well politics aside from water-fuel and hydrogen technologies, we first have to have a replicative, efficient model before we have to worry about anything.
Even if we did find an efficiency over 100, it would have to be quite a bit greater over 100% before it would be efficient and practical to go into mass production. One must think about the energy it takes to gather, refine, and assemble materials to create a finished product, and if the energy it takes to produce the device or appliance is greater than the energy produced by said device within the mean operable time frame (that is to say, the amount of time the device is predicted to operate before malfunction), then the device is no longer a viable source of new energy.
You also have to think about availability of materials. If we suddenly found a new device that produced a lot of power but also used a lot of copper or neodymium (quite a difficult material to refine and find), then the cost of materials would increase dramatically as the demand increases, just like what happened to oil over the years. Instead of Exxon and other powerful oil companies, we will have new powerful companies based around the copper or neodymium industries.
So you see, even if we seem to have solved a problem by developing new technologies based upon certain materials, new problems with greed and control will arise around the new industries.
Again, the only viable way to stop this cycle would be to stop consuming so much and reduce our dependencies upon material goods.
Now, perhaps new discoveries will lessen the effects of greed and power that we have today in the oil economy, but ultimately the cycle will continue again.
Just my two cents.
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Consumption is a process required by all life: from the space you displace to the dark pint. Others have died (even if you are a vegetarian) so that life may continue. No discovery will stop this process. Certainly technology has made it easier for humans on this planet, but have we lost our reverence for life? Why do we continually fail to harmonize with nature? Even in this it seems as if we must consume her and in doing so die.
Our attempt to stave off the end seems to welcome it. No matter. Death is but a transition - new life will spring forth from a new mother. Silly humans.
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I think physics is great and is a great model for inventions, however, physics is only temporary and is always some how having to be changed because some brilliant man invented something that disproved it. Thats why physics SHOUDN"T ALWAYS be trusted for everything. You assume the carnival will have some clowns, but sometimes thats not the case, and plus, don't assume every clown will be funny.....(i don't want to get into that :-[)
What the hell was I thinking when I compared carnival clowns to physics???? ??? :-\
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True bitRAKE, but we've stepped far beyond the natural limits of healthy consumption with the industrial age. No longer are we merely consuming to live like every other organism, we are consuming for our ego's. Certainly we do not need large SUV's and cars to live (though we've dug ourselves into a whole where we must use them for salaries which pay for food grown by someone else), but it certainly makes us feel good about ourselves superficially. We do not need many lightbulbs (though they are nice), nor large televisions, nor expensive, large housing. These are all luxuries which indirectly harm the earth and the rest of its inhabitants on an atemporal scale (that is to say, we can not foresee when this harm will take place in time, but it will).
True, consuming is a natural part of life, and life itself even emits CO2, but when you consume far more than any other species and don't give back to the earth what you have taken, then you begin to create a problem.
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Is it not the clowns that are thee pinnacle of over consumption . With there excessive use of makup and shoes 5 times to big. All that plastic and Nylon. Youthink they use those little bikes for transportation ,NO! Enough material on there backs to cloth 12 people .I say DO AWAY WITH THE CLOWNS **Pink Floyd voice** "getum up against the WALL "
Clowns are scary anyway .
There really was a point in this post .
IronHead
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I,4one, REALly think that somehere out there is a circus missing a clown. ::)
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Sataur?, consumption beyond what is needed to live? That has been debated for thousands of years - it is a question of how one defines life and of resource management. Should each person be allocated an exact regimen of nutrients and social interaction (ala 1984, Brave New World, THX 1138, etc)? Maybe once the planet is exhausted and over-populated this will be a valid option for even the most egoistic!
Personally, I don't own a vehicle, TV, or house; and agree with your assessment of excess. To me it's very important to know what I consume and leave behind in waste. I've starting growing some of my own food, and I'm a DIY'er in general. My packrat nature has me reusing everything and thinking in that mindset from the get-go.
Examination of the census data seem to make it clear the US has been postponing an inevitable great depression. This "war" was just another step to stave off the implosion of the medicated bloated populous. Think about it: people don't know how to take care of themselves anymore! [After living through the 1920's depression my grandmother would not live anywhere she could not have a garden! For over 75 years she grew her own food and traded with local artisans.]
We divided from nature when social selection became possible. Humans might have been excluded from the definition of nature from the start?
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I believe your assertions about the prospect of our country (and for the over consuming first-world countries in general) are correct, bitRAKE. We will have a rough transition into living for ourselves once again. Done will be the days of driving 10 to 30 miles to your office job which supplies money to buy food and goods for everyday living. This system has too many holes in it and it leaks far too much.
We will become more direct and one with the land. Instead of large farms producing food for thousands and thousands of people, I believe it is more practical for each or a smaller group of households to have a farm or large garden to supply food for themselves. This liberates us from the need to drive somewhere to make money which then is purchase food which was also shipped from somewhere else to a location where you must drive to in order to achieve possession.
This is only one example of the many changes that will happen to the world's societies. As we decentralize and become more independent, self sufficient entities, government will become less powerful, and eventually I see it evolving into more of a societal guideline for moral behavior in an area. This is one reason the government tries to push more industrialism, consumerism, and large commercial capitalism. Keeping the need for regulations preserves the need for government. Specific countries and borders will no longer be such big issues, and people will [hopefully] become more harmonized with each other.
Unfortunately before we develop such an enlightened and free society we must see a need to, and though some of us can accept the need, others are too entrenched in every-day living, trying to support a family and themselves, to take a step back and see whats going on can and must be changed. Others still refuse to accept a need for change because they are blind that their drive for more 'stuff' and more 'money' is a mere veil of distorted reality engendered by their false identity (ego) with material possessions and physical manifestations. Something universally threatening must occur, which shakes the very bones of every man in every society, before the need for change will become apparent and accepted. I only wish we could avoid this fate, but unfortunately it is the only conclusive answer I have come to.
Just my two cents.
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The U.S. republic has become to socialist; no one is truly independent anymore. I think we will need something terribly drastic to happen.
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Well, that is the very thing I will not accept: I will not demonize others and I will not prophetize the need for some apocalyptic event. Polarization is the very thing that de-harmonizes, imho. Instead we should look at the cycle that has been created and not count ourselves out of having an effect on that process (the good, bad and ugly).
You say decentralization, but I'd rather like to see it as re-localization. This is a great opportunity to build communities with all the positives of ancient tribes while still sharing on the global scale. No governance required should be the label on the box! [This is not a vote for Anarchy - although that would be better than what we have.]
I don't know about the whole morality thing. When it comes to people there is no general moral foundation - we need ethical processes that examine each instance with respect and understanding. Morality is a local (family, community, etc) phenomenon that cannot be institutionalized. Judgements are always wrong because each of us is changing and communication takes time. Isn't this our judicial system? [I'm not even going to talk about the Prison industry.]
To have one ego call another ego 'false' is just absurd! We are self-manifesting our destiny by calling whatever occurs by the names of the prophecies we have created; and then we get to talk of progress as we re-define things. [look at the hydrogen 'fuel' movement; global warming; etc] Yet, nothing has changed - that is the ultimate waste. To bring people together out of fear is the false "super-ego" at work - a cultural or collective conscience trait, and not a malady of any individual. [I really hope that is what you mean. I'm accepting of the idea that I'm full of shit - trying to make a distiction between individual fear and group fear is at best dubious.]
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Perhaps you are correct in the idea that an 'apocalyptic' event is needed for change, but I believe some type of catalyst is required to push society into needing a reason for change. Perhaps the mere possibility of something horrendous happening to our dear earth will be enough, but seeing as how global warming still seems to be more of a political issue than one of humanity, we still have a long way to go.
I agree that re-localization would be a more fitting word for what must occur. When I said decentralize I suppose I just meant the breakdown of old-fashioned capitalized industries for the replacement of more local, 'secular' types of growth.
True, morality is more of an issue that is dealt with and learned within the confines of one's own personal life, and should not be dictated or enforced. One must learn to respect and understand enlightened values, not try to emulate them. What I meant by having a moral guideline was to have some sort of compilation of generally accepted customs in a certain area that may change over geographic distances, not so much the rudimentary morals derived through living and enlightened thought. Those these geographic cultural differences would most likely not be significant enough to be noted down (though in societies with extreme rituals such as cannibalism, it may help to know about it before one enters into it ;) ).
Yes, if one ego does apply a negative label to itself or another ego, it defeats the purpose of trying to overcome the ego for the flowering of the true identity all together. One must rid himself of any ideas of getting better at something in order to 'look better' than another before he can truly become enlightened. It must be driven by intrapersonal motivators only. I believe you hit the head on the nail with your interpretation. Anything that is to be done with the hope of gain (over another individual or group) in either a personal or collective mind will ultimately end up with a more negative imbalance overall. Like you stated earlier, movements such as global warming which try to drive the people into fear in order to catalyze change will end up creating more egotism in society than before. 'Ego's will feed on this fear, and take advantage of exploitable opportunities. This can also work in the other direction as well, such as with president Bush filtering scientific documents to downplay global warming. By making it seam less of a problem than it really is, he is exploiting the ego's sense of security with what is currently being done is alright (that burning gasoline in large quantities is not bad for the planet), and he is doing this for personal gain.
We must be careful with how we approach these coming years, and people must realize that not only our physical ways are dysfunctional, but also our mental and psychological. We are out of touch with the beauty of life itself, with who we really are. We are not what we have, what we owe, or what we look like. We are the epitome of greatness in the most physical and ethereal way, and we must embrace this through abdicating our want for it (that is, the desire for greatness). In our 'ego'-driven society, people just want to feel important, but they fail to realize that they themselves are magnificent and great in their own right. They fail to realize that their physical possessions and appearances are meaningless, and that desiring and trying to gain only distances them more from happiness. This is unfortunately one of the downsides to a capitalist society, though people tend to refuse to believe it because of the apparent great "success" of capitalism in America. Whilst it may be successful in its physical manifestation, it fails on a deeper level. America is one of the most unhappy, most drugged, and most sick places in the world, and yet we are the richest.
One has to think if we'll reach a critical point of 'insanity' in the world where we all take a collective "step back" and realize that the world really is a lot more dysfunctional and maimed than previously thought.
Just my two cents.
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Did you realize my response also tries to metaphorically outline my TPU theory? Talk about insane! :-p
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Take the red pill ,see it all.
http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/
Wake up , Be Enlightened
IronHead
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By terribly drastic I could mean a mass ditributed overunity device, world energy companies will freak, and countries economic structures will fall apart. I think thats pretty damn drastic...
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Posting a working model and publishing instructions are too much too soon.
For one I would like to perfect what I have done and produce a marketable product for sale BEFORE I release the blue prints to anyone. The reasons are obvious, why would you spend 3 years making something work only to hand the blue prints to someone you never met while you are in no position to market what you have done. You know what happens next. I would be careful about making sure I could sell it, make it en-mass quickly and cheaply and have a return on that to fund the legal aspects before I made a public plan on how to build the next greatest thing on earth...
I know that goes against what some people are doing here but you can't release the next greatest Operating System Code bofore you can market and keep the product open source! If you fail to protect the actual blue print and al it's technical detail who is stopping Dick Cheny and Halyburton oil from lodging patent on your research? I can show you what I did and give insight to its workings but Ill be a year or 2 from openly publishing a working detailed blue print or API...
Besides, I can't afford a camera phone let alone a DV camcorder...
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I am genuinely concerned about the world having depleted its oil reserves and what that means for all of us ordinary folks and those much less fortunate than us. I am optimistic though, I believe that we are surrounded by untapped sources of energy.
Don't be. the Alarmists have been talking this peak oil doom and gloom from the time the first oil well was drilled.
People still believe a 200 year old theory that oil is made by dead dinosaurs, and other little organic bits billions of years old. None of that is remotely true. One oil field in Saudi Arabia would have had to have 500 billion dead dinosaurs somehow die and fall in the exact same spot to produce the oil in it if you were to believe that rediculous theory. Imagine how many dinosaurs there would have to have been living on earth to fill all the oil fields on earth.
It must have been an awfull crowed place, the prehistoric earth, with dinosaurs packed like sardines on every square inch of land, just to fill the oil fields in use now of the same geological age.
The real truth is oil is constantly being produced far deeper in the earth than anyone has previously thought. The oil we find is the stuff that slowly finds it's way up from these depths and pools in reservoirs along fault lines.
The fact is, we don't really know how much <a href="http://www.gasresources.net/index.htm"><b>abiotic</b></a> oil is produced by the earth. When we find that out we will find out what "peak oil" is, and what the maximum yearly limit we can extract of this never ending resource.
Oil isn't organic, in fact the only thing organic in oil is the contaminants it picks up as it moves through the outer layers of the earths crust where all this "dead dinosaur" material is. All that stuff produces is a bit of methane gas.
Russian and Ukrainian scientists have discovered the true sources and nature of oil long ago, around 1951 which was then used to discover the vast oil fields in Syberia, and to further prove the theories of abiotic oil formation. much has been written about this, but for some reason has been largely ignored by the west in favor of the 200 year old dinosaur juice theory. I think you can imagine why it would be advantagous for big oil to have people think we are always on the verge of 'peak oil".
There are limitations to overcome in order to reach richer deposits of oil, namely drilling through a very hot putty like layer of granite; but research has been ongoing and several proof holes, such as <a href="http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/dp5/inner1.htm#s2"><b>on the Kola Peninsula</b></a> have been drilled, which have also disproved many other theories of how the earth is constructed.
Beyond certain depths, the rock cools and becomes less dense, as well as vains of extremely dense and salty heavily calciumated water is found. It is now thought that these waters, released suddenly during catastrophic events are what formed much of the limestone and calcium deposits found on the surface of the earth, not billions of years of microscopic sea shells, which also explains the lack of any organic evidence found in many deposit sites around the world, including Englands vast deposit. These deep sources of super dence water are now thought to have caused rapid shifting of the earths crust, not the slow billion year theory of plate tetonic theory.
There is a lot of so called 'scientific" B.S. being purposely fed the sheeple in order to keep them ignorant and fearfull, and for several reasons by groups with adgenda's that are not in the best interest of mankind. So, at least in regards for your worries about oil, your main concern should be how badly we are being gouged for something we have a vast abundance of. You'll learn much and find many interesting other bits of information following those links.
As far as "zero point" and energy from the vaccum" stuff, don't waste your time. It's mainly a excersize in measuring the tinyest potential differences in negatively and positively charged protons. In order to find a usefull source of "energy from the vaccum" you'd need an entire universe that has a negative chage, and another entire universe with a positive charge, and a way to hook a couple wires to them, which would then set off a vast chain reaction and collapse both universes, or our own, perhaps instantly! (in theory, sort of like a reverse of the "big bang" theory)
We already can create this phenominum on a usefull scale, we call it a battery.
Many people seeking over unity, do not have, or forgotten the basic fundamentals of what electricity is. Negative and positively charged electrons. to create a potential difference and to thus make 'work", you have to create an imbalance, remove one from one and add it to another other. it will then try equalize itself. this takes work however. you don't get something for nothing.
Unity is getting the same amount of work back that you put in. Overunity is getting more back than you put in, without creating an imbalance that seeks to restore things back to normal. This is explained in lens' law why it can't be done.
There is nothing in this entire universe that gets something from nothing. In fact this entire universe will someday end, because it is like a vast wound up clock, (much more complicated of course) it began with a large imbalance which is slowly restoring itself to the state it was in at the moment of it's creation.
The sun is a giant and very obvious example of this, and if you study everything else in this universe, you will see the same thing happening everywhere.
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I believe your assertions about the prospect of our country (and for the over consuming first-world countries in general) are correct, bitRAKE. We will have a rough transition into living for ourselves once again. Done will be the days of driving 10 to 30 miles to your office job which supplies money to buy food and goods for everyday living. This system has too many holes in it and it leaks far too much.
We will become more direct and one with the land. Instead of large farms producing food for thousands and thousands of people, I believe it is more practical for each or a smaller group of households to have a farm or large garden to supply food for themselves. This liberates us from the need to drive somewhere to make money which then is purchase food which was also shipped from somewhere else to a location where you must drive to in order to achieve possession.
This is only one example of the many changes that will happen to the world's societies. As we decentralize and become more independent, self sufficient entities, government will become less powerful, and eventually I see it evolving into more of a societal guideline for moral behavior in an area. This is one reason the government tries to push more industrialism, consumerism, and large commercial capitalism. Keeping the need for regulations preserves the need for government. Specific countries and borders will no longer be such big issues, and people will [hopefully] become more harmonized with each other.
Unfortunately before we develop such an enlightened and free society we must see a need to, and though some of us can accept the need, others are too entrenched in every-day living, trying to support a family and themselves, to take a step back and see whats going on can and must be changed. Others still refuse to accept a need for change because they are blind that their drive for more 'stuff' and more 'money' is a mere veil of distorted reality engendered by their false identity (ego) with material possessions and physical manifestations. Something universally threatening must occur, which shakes the very bones of every man in every society, before the need for change will become apparent and accepted. I only wish we could avoid this fate, but unfortunately it is the only conclusive answer I have come to.
Just my two cents.
Rubbish. We are already far too overpopulated for everyone to own their own little plot of land to produce enough food to sustain themselves.
Farming pracvtices today are a thousand times more efficient, and is all that keeps this world population alive on the airable land available.
I don't think you gave very much thought to your post, but perhaps you will find many interesting facts if you take the time to reseach some of your assumptions.
As it is, we are far, far beyond any possiblility of "returning to the land" and living like cavemen. Thousands of years beyond in fact.
90% of the worlds population would have to be killed off for individual people to be able to sustain themselves off the land, and even then I doubt many could.
Collective farming has been the way of even the earliest civilizations, simply because
it greatly increases the chances of survival.
Reverting to those type of civilizations however, would be much harder, because people simply do not know how to farm, nor hunt. Plus there is all the other skills, like preserving food to eat while your crop grows, not that it will grow anyways, because you have no fertilizer, and don't know how to keep the weeds and animals from eating it., no tools.
Then, even if you overcome all those difficulties, a better hunter and surviver will probably come along and kill you and take it all anyway.
I get a good laugh at greenies who daydream about 'going back to the land'.
You had better get started now, because it's not easy living a rural life even now with all the conveniences, and you'll need to learn that it's impossible to grow all your own food, so you are going to have to build up stores and stock up on things like ammo. And get to know others that will form part of your post collapse community.
I've been doing it for 15 years, and you can bet when d-day comes, I won't be turning my lights (from my own home made electricity) at night. Anyone thinking they are going to walk out of the cities and return to the land are going to be in for a suprize and a sudden reality check.
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Yes we are overpopulated. Too much so. We have created and environment for ourselves which is unnaturally fertile, and as such we take away from the life of other species and organisms. There are simply too many humans all fighting to get as much as they can from everyone else.
And regarding your earlier posts, it doesn't matter where oil comes from or how long it will last, we have to be responsible and stop using it all together. The same goes for coal, natural gas, and nuclear energy as well (though nuclear energy is probably the best of them all, but is far more dangerous if not handled correctly). These products produce harmful effects which aren't temporally specific to our times, which makes them all the more dangerous. We won't necessarily see effects from the oil we burn today in our lifetimes, and perhaps not even our children's lifetimes, but we have to go beyond our egotism and false sense of superiority and uphold the responsibility to seize the use of oil and other non-renewable resources all together.
You need to get off your fantasy for a 'fallout' like aftermath, and realize it won't be beneficial to you or the earth to perpetuate our self-destructive tendencies which brought us to the collapsed state in the first place. Stocking up on resources and trying to gain an advantage over the rest will only hurt you and our successors in the long run. It is nothing more than a physical manifestation of a false egoic image withheld by most of the world, the same one that has created the corruption and destruction we are faced with today.
What I would suggest to you my dear friend would be to stop, step back, and look at what the root of the problem is. View beyond the physical, and enter the profound. It is not a physical cause which has created these physical effects. It was not what we did that got us here, it is how we were and how we are that did. Meditate, and you will see that the 'you' who you have come to know and identify with is merely a product of our ego-driven society, and is a sad and upset identity to which we have seemingly become perpetually bound. We need to break our bonds, and integrate our ego's into our true, loving identities in a healthy way.
Just my two cents.
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I agree. If oil did run out it would not be long before new ideas on how things work came into mainstream thinking. The difference between then and now is who is paying the research money, for what and why....We hardly know anything about water, H2O. Its properties are unusual and its energy capabilities are 10,000 times greater than Nuclear yet research dollars go into Nuclear simply because its already done, has a shorter R&D investment cycle and yields a greater share of Corporate welfare simply because, its already there! Investing in H2O is not going to happen when the best we can do with it is make steam using oil........
If its true that radio transmissions can "crack it" then good, start using a radio frequency device and bump up the volume, see what does what! Nothing will happen Unless the Oil peters out and screws the world economy or someone beats the giants to it....
Remember the best inventions are the simplest ans most elegant, nothing has to be complicated! After all a silicon chip is a simply a very small screen print of a 2 way diode on a glass substrate, its elegant, simple and easy to make if you know how...Got a microscope?
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OffGrid rdnck, there is a lot of truth to what you say - I don't think large scale agricultural is in danger of being stopped by humans anytime soon. Yet, there is technology that can almost match yields on some crops at a smaller scale. Of course, I'm ignoring the steep initial costs of such systems.
For example, yearly lettuce yields are 500 plants per square yard at a specialized farm. An advanced hydroponic setup can almost match that yield.
There are many pluses for the local grow method. Sataur? mention some and I'll add that crops could be grown in any climate. Like you said, we are pushing the limits of the land that we have to work with. I think other techniques merely help to spread the risk and reduce the burden on an already stressed environment.
Let me make it clear I am not suggesting an energy savings from localized growing. What I'm suggesting is diversification is worth more than small energy losses, and possibly higher quality produce can be grown.
[On a side note: "d-day" would bring out the expert hunters and they will be at your house - talk about a reality check. If not expert hunters then a mob of thousands. "d-day" can/should not be prepared for - it is not a world I'm willing to live in.]
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Edit - It happens.