@MileHigh

You have probably heard that water is an excellent analogy for electricity.  The water pressure is the voltage.  The water flow is the current.  A water resistor is just a long thin hose, there is friction between the moving water and the walls of the hose.  A water capacitor is just a big tank of water.  A water coil is just a big coil of hose.

an abstract from your post here:
http://overunity.com/15289/delayed-lenz-or-not-post-your-explaination/msg428647/#msg428647

You are not in a position to comment on the technical capabilities of anybody.  Educate yourself, and that will change.

and from your post here:
http://overunity.com/15289/delayed-lenz-or-not-post-your-explaination/msg428664/#msg428664

As you seem to be very urgent to give "educated" advance to other people, it would be nice, if you advance in your education also.
There something called "Electrical Papers" (2 toms, about 1500 pages, freely available online in .pdf format) by a little known author ( I hope you may know it ) named Oliver Heaviside. And although not widely known, it could be said that 90% of our understanding of Maxwell is due to this self-thought physicist and mathematician. Actually the known Maxwell equations are really Maxwell-Heaviside equations as Heaviside is the one to enhance and translate most of the Maxwell's, at that time, poorly understood work (although that it was available for about 40 years already), in the currently widely accepted fundamental state known as "Classical Electrodynamics" developed in vector format.
If you go and read his "Electrical Papers", as I highly recommend, if only, for your educational purpose, you will be surprised to find out, that he devotes several pages in explaining how it is WRONG to associate one of the observable electrical phenomena named "flow of electricity in a conductor" with the flow of water. He is also quite notorious, notably arguing about stupidity, and he basically says, that this is one simplistic analogy "an uneducated person can make".
So to put this very simple, association of the electrical phenomena ON and through a conductor ( named "destructor" by Heaviside, see many things are not as they are thought to be) with a flow of water, is highly misleading, unless of course one starts to think that the electrical phenomena materializes mostly ("flows") outside of the water pipe than inside of it, which would be true analogy. But of course, this turns many thing upside down, although the order does not change, as all physical things will continue working as they do not caring much of our understanding about them, and one has to have quite a vivid imagination in order even to start consider this idea.

For your convenience here are links to the noted fundamental work that everyone should read, for it gives quite a different perspective and clear one's understanding over very fundamental concepts being wrongly settled/rooted and understood at the "educational" institutions and subsequently in the, supposedly, educated people, throughout the history and today:

https://archive.org/details/electricalpapers01heavuoft
https://archive.org/details/electricalpapers02heavrich

Epwpix:

Your logic is flawed.  I stated that water is a good analogy for electricity.  If you search you will probably find thousands or tens of thousands of references stating that.  Yes, you will find a 19th century Oliver Heaviside reference where he says it's not the case.

So, how do you yourself analyze this situation?   You have thousands or tens of thousands of references that agree with me.  You have perhaps just a few that disagree with me.  What do you do in a case like this?

Water can model electricity perfectly when you look at the energy dynamics.  That is the context for this statement.  Beyond that, I don't have to look anywhere to make this statement.  I can use my education and intellect to clearly and unambiguously see that this is 100% true.

Now, I am fully aware that many people can't see or make the connection.  It's not so obvious, that's for sure.  It's just like stating that a mechanical flywheel is a perfect analogy for an inductor.  A puck on a skating ring is another perfect analogy for an inductor.  Nature and the physical world is telling us that "energy acts the same way in different systems."  It's actually quite beautiful.  Sometimes, when I an trying to understand how a circuit works I start thinking about the water analogy or the flywheel analogy.

If somebody is interested and wants to follow up so they can appreciate it for themselves, they are going to have to search or buy a related book, etc.

Heaviside may have been referring to some other aspect of electricity, I don't know.

So to put this very simple, association of the electrical phenomena ON and through a conductor ( named "destructor" by Heaviside, see many things are not as they are thought to be) with a flow of water, is highly misleading, unless of course one starts to think that the electrical phenomena materializes mostly ("flows") outside of the water pipe than inside of it, which would be true analogy.

So, it looks like you have a problem with the fact that a magnetic field will be outside of a wire, and the is nothing outside of a water pipe.  The interesting thing about that is it does not matter.  The analogy in terms of power and energy still works perfectly.

MileHigh

water is not the analoge of electric current. string theory can explain why current or magnetic flux must be closed. you must have closed flux medium or at leased one loop of wire that current on it. (look for coupling coefficient) in order to coupling coeffficient to be high full cricle magnetic flux needed. this coupling in generators is highest or needed for amperes.
I've looked for the principle "there is a wall between them" what this topic is all about; it also works on static electricity generator too. but do not forget it; walls are made of bricks. one side of the wall is charged plates other side generating plates; looks the same ( ) between same size plates but not connected to any ware besides isolators. ( the trick is equlise capacities of plates and wall in all contition, this is made by holes on wall plates; if the area is quarter size than capacitans also quartersize)

water is not the analoge of electric current.

Water is an excellent analogy for electricity in terms of power and energy.  When you do the Google search "electricity water analogy" you get about 468,000 results.

If you search: "Nude women"  you get 5,000,000,000,010 results.  Probably  more in a few minutes, ha ha.

Bill

Luc,
Nice core!
I think you are getting ahead of me. It looks like things are fitting together well for you.
I think you could just wrap some thin fiberglass tape or some plastic around the core to wind the coil on so it doesn't cut the wires coating.
It would be nice to keep the gaps close as possible between the rotating C and the core sections. That's the point where the flux is contained in the core.

I ordered some silicon steel sheets that I will mill up into the second design but it looks like the holidays might slow me down somewhat.
 
You do know that this is all theory and is the only theory I can imagine that would allow the generator from Syair to operate as shown.
Is this like Jim Murray's patent?

 
 

Would you mind if I join this discussion?


I think it doesn't make a big diffrence, probably reduces the flux as it is a further curve and as it reduces the cores diameter. Remember how big the inner core of a MOT is.


What saw did you use to cut it?


Peace