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AlienGrey

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #18075 on: September 22, 2017, 05:04:10 PM »
Nick Hi had a look at your Scop shot of your yoke photo, If that's your device I would say your transistors are in an 'not on or off but in a resistive mode if I were you I would go for a different winding to try and minimise the effect or get a better 'core' you want the ringing in the transistor off time or dead time, I sincerely hope this helps you.

PS I had this problem my self.

Allen

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #18076 on: September 22, 2017, 05:10:33 PM »
  I don't know what you're talking about. My fets and yoke are working fine.

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« Reply #18077 on: September 22, 2017, 06:27:11 PM »
Nick,

Although your dead time control on the PWM is OK, the 'effective dead time' may not be and this can be checked with drain to source current waveforms as suggested by Itsu.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #18078 on: September 22, 2017, 06:55:57 PM »

   Hoppy: There is no problem with the dead time controls. I can raise or lower the duty cycle as needed. And there is always the minimum dead time between cycles.
   Adding another load by connecting up the feed back path is not going to lower the heating, but raises it instead. Just like it does when I place any more bulbs on the output. In any case we'll see what happens, soon enough.
   I'll show better scope shots when I get the chance.


OK, so you have now tried feeding back. Did your lamp get brighter?
 

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #18079 on: September 22, 2017, 06:59:40 PM »
   Itsu: just how should I test for the current wave form?

    Hoppy: No, I have not connected the feed back circuit up, yet.
   There is no point in connecting the feed back circuit until I resolve the snubber heating issue. The induction circuit need to be able to work well by itself, first.

  Itsu: Is it possible to show in a short video of your induction circuit lighting 400 watts worth of bulbs, for a few minutes run time? As well as showing the lumin output at your bulbs, and the temperature of the snubber resistors?


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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #18080 on: September 22, 2017, 07:43:52 PM »
   Itsu: just how should I test for the current wave form?

    Hoppy: No, I have not connected the feed back circuit up, yet.
   There is no point in connecting the feed back circuit until I resolve the snubber heating issue. The induction circuit need to be able to work well by itself, first.


Nick,

This youtube video gives you a fairly simple method not needing expensive 0-scope current probes. By displaying both waveforms on dual trace screen, you will see the relationship in time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwQzMxNOenI

This is the type of resistor required: -
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-Pcs-BI-TECHNOLOGIES-TT-TO-220-0-05-OHM-R050-J-SHUNT-RESISTOR-CURRENT-SENSE-/141778517512?epid=1952262068&hash=item2102a87e08:g:5n4AAOSwFnFV~CiR

PS. Monitoring current this way would also give you a good indication of current drawn from your source power supply. Without this information, you will never know whether or not your device is becoming more efficient in terms of getting closer to unity. Brighter bulbs, no matter how your device is tuned does not necessarily indicate that your device is getting more efficient. A further step would be to start looking at power consumption.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #18081 on: September 22, 2017, 07:47:58 PM »

    Hoppy: No, I have not connected the feed back circuit up, yet.
   There is no point in connecting the feed back circuit until I resolve the snubber heating issue. The induction circuit need to be able to work well by itself, first.

OK. I assumed from your previous comment:" Adding another load by connecting up the feed back path is not going to lower the heating, but raises it instead." that you had done this.

AlienGrey

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« Reply #18082 on: September 22, 2017, 08:11:36 PM »
  I don't know what you're talking about. My fets and yoke are working fine.
Hey Nick! woo! No offence Nick, I'm not your enemy, ;) It's no bother, you're on a learning curve, you will get there, in the end, my friend. or anyone else for that matter. The sooner we all break even the better.

Allen

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #18083 on: September 23, 2017, 01:05:53 AM »
   Itsu: just how should I test for the current wave form?

    Hoppy: No, I have not connected the feed back circuit up, yet.
   There is no point in connecting the feed back circuit until I resolve the snubber heating issue. The induction circuit need to be able to work well by itself, first.

  Itsu: Is it possible to show in a short video of your induction circuit lighting 400 watts worth of bulbs, for a few minutes run time? As well as showing the lumin output at your bulbs, and the temperature of the snubber resistors?

Nick,

as Hoppy already mentioned, you can test the current by using a current probe, or a CSR (current sensing resistor).
I think the best way is to put a non inductive 1 Ohm resistor in the MOSFETs source line, so you can use your normal probe to measure the voltage (thus current) across this csr.

See the below video of my setup running for some time using 400W of bulbs (220V)
It also shows the current probe being used which was set at 5A/Div.  (second part of the video!!)

Nothing is really getting hot, but there is not much luminense on the bulbs either.
All temperature readings are in degrees celcius.

Video here:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSfNrwqkPhM     (don't use IE to display).

Screenshot shows the:
MOSFET-1 drain voltage (yellow),
drain current (green @ 5A/Div.),
gate signal (purple) and the
MOSFET 2 drain voltage (blue).


EDIT: i realize that the green current drain trace was taken from a primary coil lead BEFORE the Oleg snubber diode, so it does NOT really represent ONLY the drain current.


Itsu
« Last Edit: September 23, 2017, 10:03:09 AM by itsu »

AlienGrey

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #18084 on: September 23, 2017, 04:08:24 AM »
Have a look at this Scope shot back from April sometime when I was experimenting with magnetic cores...

Yellow was Drain 1, Terkwoys was Drain 2 and Purple was the Grenade or was it the 4 turns core wind? anyway, it was with a 40-watt bulb driven at low power.
The effect was only from one type of toroid wind and nothing else worked like this effect. I didn't use a Katcher at all it was just set up on my work table. I stripped down the 'core and photographed the core windings which I posted on the database and shared with Nick and Void as far as I can remember before 'the issues began'  :-[ :-X :-\ >:( :( >:(! but some info has been lost due to my drive crashing in the gap.

To be honest, I can't remember if the Purple waveform was the Core 4 turn winding or the grenade output, sorry but the grenade was a Stalker design of his website.

Notice all the activity is in the dead time zone !!!!!!!!!!    ;D :D ;) :)

Nick
No offence Nick 'mate' but why doesn't your waveforms look like the one above?

How do I explain to you (in the nicest possible way) it's the core and the way wound and it's material!

Also, notice no spike overshoot or wasted energy sent to Earth, the circuit uses 2 UF4007 diodes in an and formation with a 4uf7 250v cap to earth and a 56-volt TVS diode feeding back to the 12 volt feed all fed in via a 100uh choke.

Allen

PS who knows how long the core can sustain the above effect or it's effect of the core material. will it turn to dust or wither away or just go 'pop' in a ferrite dust cloud?  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Bifilar wind it so it saturates with thick low wind numbers. Experiment outside the box. Notice the glass fibre tape.
« Last Edit: September 23, 2017, 12:10:13 PM by AlienGrey »

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #18085 on: September 23, 2017, 06:41:47 PM »
   Itsu:
   Ok, thanks for the video and advice. 
   Without the 28t coil and 168t coil and rectifier hooked up, it's hard to properly judge or compare the results.
   Your lumin levels would probably much higher on those bulbs if the 28t was also connected up. And possibly the heat on the snubbers, as well. In any case,  the heat on the snubbers (or lack of), was what we were really trying to show and understand.
So, it does look like the cleaner the square wave signal becomes, the less output it will provide.
   I do very much appreciated you helping me out in this way.

   Hoppy: 
   First I'll install the new carbon resistors that you recommended. Which I have now received. They only come to 1/2 watt size, so I'll have to use about 4 of them in series for the Oleg snubber, to get the 2 watts of resistance. And we'll see if the RC snubbers 1/2w 47ohm carbon resistors hold up, or not. I may have to double them up, as well.
 
  I have a lot more voltage and current going through my device, as compared to Itsu's test and video. My normal peaks with snubbers are over 200v at resonance. And at avalanche can get to over 350v. Which can partially light 600w worth of bulbs, or higher wattage, and this without going into the avalanche effect. So, that is probably why my snubber resistors get so much hotter.
But,  something may not be quite right on my set up, still. In any case, we'll see what happens when the new carbon resistors are installed.

  I now also have 10 more brand new Mosfets to play with. As well 4 new 4420 drivers chips of the right (through hole) size,
  Once I install the new resistors, I'll make another short video.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #18086 on: September 23, 2017, 06:48:19 PM »
Nick,

If you parallel resistors, the resulting resistance will be reduced substantially. See this link for calculator: http://www.sengpielaudio.com/calculator-paralresist.htm


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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #18087 on: September 23, 2017, 07:02:00 PM »
   Hoppy: Ok, then I'll install them in series. Error corrected now.
   Thanks for reminding me.

   AG: You mentioned:
"Nick
No offence Nick 'mate' but why doesn't your waveforms look like the one above?
                                                                                                              end quote.
   No offence taken, mate.
   All I can say is that that is like comparing apples to pears.
   Why don't you build a proper Ruslan/Akula/Stalker type of replication, then we can compare notes.
As as I've been going with Itsu.

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« Reply #18088 on: September 23, 2017, 09:47:51 PM »
Nick,

i have installed a 40W/220V bulb (which dimly glows) on the 28 turns (it has a 50V plus spike square wave on it), but it did not change anything much.

I changed the 1K Oleg snubber resistor for a 12K one and allthough the spikes got somewhat worse (from 100V to 170V), it hardly heats up now.
So you might want to try a higher Oleg snubber resistor yourself.

By the way, to double the wattage on your resistor (from ½W to 1W), you have to use 4 similar resistors, 2 parallel, and 2 in series.
If you want to go from ½W to 2W, then you need 16 of those, 4 in series and 4 parallel
If you want to keep the same Ohm value that is off course.


 
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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #18089 on: September 23, 2017, 10:30:34 PM »
Well, what's the difference all the devices work under the same principle unless you're referring to the yoke?

Well if you built a device with a yoke that yoke has to be a Russian yoke of military speck what I'm asking you is, is your and Itsu's device a Russian military spec device because I couldn't get one?

if it is where did you get it from and you need to ask your self why doesn't it work in your device correctly?

Allen