Author Topic: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2 (Read 314646 times)

kukulcangod · « **Reply #270 on:** June 11, 2006, 03:24:02 PM »

Just an idea but ......what if the magnets where electromagnets , feeding from the same rotation of the motor??
I figure it would have to be "cranked " at the begining but we might have an ever increasing force at some point if law of conservation permits

toorik · « **Reply #271 on:** June 11, 2006, 10:43:28 PM »

hey kukulcangod!

can you post a video of your device?
so what if its not working yet. we can still learn from it.

did you shape your magnets or not?

I'm going to try with 3/4 inch cube neos (twelve of them). dont think I will be able to shape them.

best of luck.

stiffy · « **Reply #272 on:** June 12, 2006, 07:20:01 PM »

Could someone test the Torbay-like setup without moving one of the stator magnets but to insert a sheet of diamagnetic material in front of the semicircular rotor magnet? Would this cause the assymmetry we are looking for without moving a stator magnet? Thus a fixed 360 deg arrangement of N poles on the outside and a semicircular arrangement of N-poles on the rotor, where a sheet of lead, bismuth, plywood etc is use to disturb the field in front of the rotor magnet.

gn0stik · « **Reply #273 on:** June 12, 2006, 07:53:37 PM »

I doubt this would work, as the diamagnetic force is very weak.

Regards, Gn0stik.

Maran · « **Reply #274 on:** June 13, 2006, 06:16:03 PM »

nobody think that we are loosing valuable time and money.......
we may have 15 "experiments" on process.....
why don't we organice a grupe to fabricate torbay's transgenerator at one and post all the information so all of us can fix the problems on torbay's designe, cos all agree that the transgenerator can be a lot better.

I propost JASON has the head lead. somebody second?

??
let said that torbay's trasngenerator is 150 us$ each, we can start with a donation "pro-rebuild " of 20 us$ each.......in my case .... JASON, tell me where do I send the money.

best regards

maran

gn0stik · « **Reply #275 on:** June 13, 2006, 07:49:02 PM »

Quote from: toorik on June 11, 2006, 10:43:28 PM

hey kukulcangod!

can you post a video of your device?
so what if its not working yet. we can still learn from it.

did you shape your magnets or not?

I'm going to try with 3/4 inch cube neos (twelve of them). dont think I will be able to shape them.

best of luck.

if you use a wet tile saw you can cut them.

toorik · « **Reply #276 on:** June 13, 2006, 10:36:38 PM »

Quote from: gn0stik on June 13, 2006, 07:49:02 PM

Quote from: toorik on June 11, 2006, 10:43:28 PM
hey kukulcangod!

can you post a video of your device?
so what if its not working yet. we can still learn from it.

did you shape your magnets or not?

I'm going to try with 3/4 inch cube neos (twelve of them). dont think I will be able to shape them.

best of luck.

if you use a wet tile saw you can cut them.

Hey Gn0stik! a wet tile saw? not sure what you mean.
Do you mean electrical tile saw?

thanks

omnicognic · « **Reply #277 on:** June 13, 2006, 10:42:05 PM »

Here is a wet tile saw, it should make nice cuts in ceramic magnets (in theory):http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=3733

gn0stik · « **Reply #278 on:** June 14, 2006, 01:00:03 AM »

Yep that's it. You want to use a wet saw because you don't want to overheat your neos.. It wrecks them. The water keeps them cool while cutting.

eavogels · « **Reply #279 on:** June 14, 2006, 02:21:03 PM »

I did a lot of tests with my Torbay device. I still move magnets by hand. Pushing a stator magnet up, is not using energy from the device. Pushing it back, however, cost energy. By making the magnets more heavy, it can made easier to pull them back in line.

But I thought about something else as well. Torby let the rotor magnets just pop up. This means that the kinetic energy that is released at that time, is lost (converted to noise). The 'head'-unit of the device coud easily have a slanted startpoint as well. That mean that the magnet that pops up helps the 'head'-unit around and is a counterweight for the magnet that has to go down.
This is not only more effective, it makes that device less noisy as well.

Eric.

kukulcangod · « **Reply #280 on:** June 14, 2006, 07:43:09 PM »

toorik and all in the hopes that we can learn from this and since nobody else has posted more about motor progress here we go.
It seems that the Torque in my device is not enough , for moving anything , it just doesn't move a bit once the ramp is in place pushing down 3 magnets in spiraling progressive degree, I solved the problem of leaning down in my rotor, but still same result .
6 magnets were used 'cause I couldn't cut them otherwise I would've install 8 because it would've create more torque obviously with stronger magnets the force will be maybe enough, we don't know because we are on our own on this one believe me .
Ceramic magnets are not enough, in the pics you'll see my first wheel, all plastic and then the white tray light as a feather with the acrylic ramp.....no the bolts don't interfere with magnets going down, I did this to regulate the angle in a convenient way I hope this serves of inspiration to others wanting to regulate their device according to what they have available which was what I did this time using what was already around.
Feedback is important, I wonder where you are "Silverdragonsr".....

also Stefan hope you are around to see what's going on in here despite the Soccer world cup....what a party!!!

So I have to recreate and experiment more things.....keep the good work, Best of Lucks

kukulcangod · « **Reply #281 on:** June 14, 2006, 07:49:25 PM »

2 more pics

kukulcangod · « **Reply #282 on:** June 14, 2006, 07:50:16 PM »

last one

penguin hood · « **Reply #283 on:** June 14, 2006, 08:30:32 PM »

A simple idea:
The same configuration from Torbay motor, but the stator with fixed magnets (no movable parts) and one coil placed (with core in axial direction) in front of the semicircular rotor magnet. The coil is short-circuited or better with a capacitor as load to reduce losses. For example, a LC configuration in electric resonance with the mechanic rotation.
By Lenz effect the coil produces the unbalance on the stator magnetic field to move the rotor.

toorik · « **Reply #284 on:** June 14, 2006, 09:13:08 PM »

Hey kukulcangod and all!

Nice pics.

couple of questions: what kind of magnets are you using. are your stator magnets not the usual ferrite magnets that are polarized through thickness? because if they are then check madmaxx's design at page 14. I believe he had the polarization wrong. (sorry madmaxx and kukulcangod if i'm wrong

)

and same for the rotor magnet. which way is the rotor magnet polarized?

best of luck.

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