Author Topic: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2 (Read 314668 times)

NerzhDishual · « **Reply #240 on:** June 02, 2006, 11:12:16 PM »

Hi (clever) guys

I have been playing with magnets for a long time and, though I have no working device, I do believe that a self powered permanent magnets apparatus can work.
What about, for example, the Troy Reed's motor? It was shown in a 1998 US DVD about "Zero Point Energy".

I am very interested in this topic.
I have locally saved and printed out all the posts:
Part 1: 206 A4 pages.
Part 2: more than 70 A4 pages.
>>> more than 270 A4 pages without the pictures. Good job.

My simple question is : Do the Torbay device really works?

I am asking this question because I'm writing a *favourable* article about the Walter Dario Torbay's device... And I'm begining to have second thoughts.

Should I be mistaken? It was said that the torbay motor has/had been running for a year. Is it true? Could anybody confirm this?

Thanks for any comments.

Best.
from a native guy of the (far most) biggest skeptical country in the word : France. $:-\$

gn0stik · « **Reply #241 on:** June 04, 2006, 08:52:45 PM »

Quote from: NerzhDishual on June 02, 2006, 11:12:16 PM

Hi (clever) guys

I have been playing with magnets for a long time and, though I have no working device, I do believe that a self powered permanent magnets apparatus can work.
What about, for example, the Troy Reed's motor? It was shown in a 1998 US DVD about "Zero Point Energy".

I am very interested in this topic.
I have locally saved and printed out all the posts:
Part 1: 206 A4 pages.
Part 2: more than 70 A4 pages.
>>> more than 270 A4 pages without the pictures. Good job.

My simple question is : Do the Torbay device really works?

I am asking this question because I'm writing a *favourable* article about the Walter Dario Torbay's device... And I'm begining to have second thoughts.

Should I be mistaken? It was said that the torbay motor has/had been running for a year. Is it true? Could anybody confirm this?

Thanks for any comments.

Best.
from a native guy of the (far most) biggest skeptical country in the word : France. $:-\$

We don't know, we've had one person in the forum do a replication with crude materials, and according to him, it worked, very slowly. He blamed the poor performance on poor construction, and many adjustments needed to be made, he hasn't gotten back to us on the details of his adjusted model yet.

madmaxx · « **Reply #242 on:** June 05, 2006, 06:05:28 AM »

Here's vid of what I've done so far. Not much. But you get the idea. Use VLC to play.

Video lan project media player. Available FREE for ALL platforms. http://www.videolan.org/vlc/

Best video player period.

The next step would be to create the top cam that places the stators back down. In this model the ceramic magnets are too weak to continue rotation. However the energy loss is due to sloppy design and high frictions.
I was thinking if one used a wobble type cam to move the stators in a vertical motion only this would increase torque.

TheOne · « **Reply #243 on:** June 05, 2006, 06:22:42 AM »

what is VLC? you cannot put it with a format that everyone can read?

mbogucki · « **Reply #244 on:** June 05, 2006, 08:22:10 AM »

Hi Madmaxx, Hi All,

Video works fine under linux... I used Mplayer.... Looks like a mpeg file...

Anyways... a very impressive and promising video...

I just got my magnets on saturday...hope to start building sometime this week.

--Mike

gn0stik · « **Reply #245 on:** June 05, 2006, 10:04:07 PM »

I've created a model of the motor with google sketchup, the model can be downloaded from http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/details?mid=e9f02d1506e7e259cbddc80d51f2a95b

There is a link to download sketchup and view the model. Or you can download google earth to view it as well.

Regards, Gn0stik.

gn0stik · « **Reply #246 on:** June 05, 2006, 10:15:50 PM »

Quote from: TheOne on June 05, 2006, 06:22:42 AM

what is VLC? you cannot put it with a format that everyone can read?

I don't know what codec it is, but it won't play for me either.

hartiberlin · « **Reply #247 on:** June 06, 2006, 12:50:28 AM »

It is a quicktime movie, please rename the file to
*.mov then the Apple Quicktime player will play it with sound.
I will recompress it and make it smaller...

Okay, now it is done, I have converted it to AVI with Microsoft MPEG4 V2 video codec
and GSM6.10 Audio codec and reattached it at the old message from maddmax.

hartiberlin · « **Reply #248 on:** June 06, 2006, 12:59:02 AM »

Quote from: gn0stik on June 05, 2006, 10:04:07 PM

I've created a model of the motor with google sketchup, the model can be downloaded from http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/details?mid=e9f02d1506e7e259cbddc80d51f2a95b

There is a link to download sketchup and view the model. Or you can download google earth to view it as well.

Regards, Gn0stik.

Gn0stik, many thanks !
I will play with it and let you know.
Great !

hartiberlin · « **Reply #249 on:** June 06, 2006, 01:02:18 AM »

Quote from: madmaxx on June 05, 2006, 06:05:28 AM

The next step would be to create the top cam that places the stators back down. In this model the ceramic magnets are too weak to continue rotation. However the energy loss is due to sloppy design and high frictions.
I was thinking if one used a wobble type cam to move the stators in a vertical motion only this would increase torque.

Hi Madmaxx, what do you mean by:
"wobble type cam" ?
Please explain.
Many thanks for your effort.
Did you try already to put the cap on ?
Are the forces then to weak to keep a rotation
running ?

madmaxx · « **Reply #250 on:** June 06, 2006, 07:47:27 PM »

A wobble crank is a wavy disc. Place a bearing on the end of each stator magnet so that it touches the cam. Retain the magents in a slot instead of by hinge so that they can move vertical only.

It seems to have plenty of force to lift the stators since I doubled the magnets.

But the problem is putting the stator back down. This is the dead spot. There is very little energy to move another cam to put the stator down so that it lifts the next position. The force need to lift isn't much, but the force need to put down is. Once the stator lifts there is only inertia to move the rotor. This inertia is not enough to put the previous stator back.

At least my 2 year old likes to play with it.

NerzhDishual · « **Reply #251 on:** June 06, 2006, 10:29:46 PM »

Salve a tutti
Hello everybody

Thanks for your replies.

Thanks also to Madmaxx for his video (and HartiBerlin for the conversion into AVI).
Sounds promissing to me.
Working with magnets is very very tricky. Is it not? You can not get two identical magnets. Can you?

BTW, I'm reading:

Quote

torbay_test.avi (1072.92 KB - downloaded 17 times.)

17 times only?
Is the motivation slowing down?

Best

smarthousesys · « **Reply #252 on:** June 06, 2006, 10:49:42 PM »

Madmaxx noted your excellent video - though isnt the Torbay priciple to raise the leading magets rather than to lower the trailing ones?

gn0stik · « **Reply #253 on:** June 06, 2006, 11:12:54 PM »

Quote from: smarthousesys on June 06, 2006, 10:49:42 PM

Madmaxx noted your excellent video - though isnt the Torbay priciple to raise the leading magets rather than to lower the trailing ones?

The motor works by repulsion. Lowering the trailing magnet forces a repulsion condition, and moves the stator forward one magnet which forces the next (leading) magnet up. Creating an imbalance that the rotor has to rectify.

So, in short, no.. lifting the leading magnet helps to create the imbalance but it is more to avoid cogging that it is lifted. The rotor magnet in this way sort of rides a magnetic wave like a surfer does. It has a repulsion behind it, and nothing in front of it, to hinder rotation.

NerzhDishual · « **Reply #254 on:** June 06, 2006, 11:17:54 PM »

Hi Smart_House_Sys

I see what you mean.

Is it not a mere "matter of principle" ?

If nothing in the misnomed "stator" is changing (moving up, down or away) the rotor miserably stalls. Should the "variation" be before of after. What is the difference? "moving-principle-wise"?

One of the way to get "something changing" is to use an electro-magnet.
That leads to infinite discussions about measuring. Does it not?

"So For ME" (this expression is patend pending

)
= Sorry For My English
= I whish I could be more accurate, but my English explanations are lacking.

Best

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