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Duranza

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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #180 on: May 26, 2006, 05:39:56 PM »
As i have said before please post cad drawings in here. I'm a CNC machinist with access to lots of materials including acrylic and cast. I have built a small prototype but no cap to bring the arms down yet. Let me see what you have to see if i can make it.

kukulcangod

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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #181 on: May 26, 2006, 11:06:19 PM »
Hey Duranza How's your setting behaving so far??, Mine is working as expected without the top!! I used my fingers to make it go in sequence ,  the satisfaction that Torbay might got out of his discovery had to be incredible ,Thank you Mr Torbay only a few hundred years of skepticism have been wiped out with your invention.....the main construction problems I have found are this:
 
Angles in the rotor magnets are critical in a way that they have to be at certain distance and angle according to your magnet strength because I was getting rejection in the opposite way at some point ,  therefore due to my crude construction simply the rejection was not enough I had to add a second half moon which increased rejection but then I noticed that leveling the stator magnets wasn't critical anymore, just don't let them stay too low in between other side magnets or they will lock it down, if they are not cut in angles to avoid interaction among them, mine were jumping ,now they are at rest with no problem, some rejection still there and efficiency  will be affected I'm sure, but I have no choice until I calculate for the top flywheel.

I had 7 ceramic magnets the big ones from radio shack 4.5 by 2  by 1 cm, trying to avoid the fatidic "6" , they were to close and I couldn't cut them in angles my Rotozip finally got burned out!! so taking away one solved the balancing sequencing angling of the lifter wheel etc. All of this might sound daunting but just realizing that a relatively small adjustment made it ok , reveals the potential efficiencies in this motor ..just my 2 cents.

Is working partially and with materials I already had which is remarkable and couldn't wait to let you now about it.......the top is next.

I hope I could be able to download your plans Jason. cause I only have the rhino 3 demo for designing, I've heard of Dan La Rochelle he sent me pics of the relationship of the Aztec calendar and the sacred matrix and the egyptians in the Hameltech forum years ago thanks again for it..... what a convenient thing to have those magnets available.
Anyway let us know duranza how much would it cost to manufacture one of this I want to power air conditioning for my mother whom is sick and my father at this point paralized due to brain embolism.........medical costs make payment of power something impossible in a 3rd world country power still ridiculously high accordingly to water levels as well, even if you get the air conditioner the power consumption a year is about 600 to 1000 dollars a year! they are enduring 120 Farenheit everyday now. Good Luck

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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #182 on: May 27, 2006, 01:20:50 AM »
Kulkangod:

Nice work. Sorry to hear about your mom and dad. I'll keep them in my prayers.

All:

I've been thinking about inverting the concept. It should be possible if all of the variables are inverted.

Put the "elevables" (raisable magnets) on the rotor N sides out. Then put the half moon stator magnet on the base S side in(It works in attraction). Just BEHIND the Stator, as the rotor turns, put a wheel to lift the ramp that pops the raisable magnet up. Ahead of that, almost immediately after it's raised, above the rotor, place an armature that holds a ramp that forces the raisable magnet back down.

The torbay motor works on the concept of creating a magnetic "gradient" so to speak, with the weak spot ahead of the rotor, to keep it always in repulsion from behind. This concept should work with an attraction based motor as well, but the weak spot would have to be behind the rotor instead of in front of it, to keep it in attraction mode from ahead.

There would be several benefits with this motor over the torbay design. It could be made MUCH smaller, The magnets would last orders of magnitude longer, and there would be FAR less force required to place the rotor magnets back in place in attraction mode than repulsion. Not to mention, the mechanism to force them back down, and you'd have much less mass rotating without the ramped topcap, and lifting ramp on the rotor itself.

If it fails in attraction mode, it would be simple to configure the motor for repulsion as in the torbay device, using his concept with a different mechanical configuration, and you'd still gain more efficiency, due to the fact your not turning as much weight. Torbay's motor does a LOT of work just turning the rotor, topcap, and lifting ramp. Also, the lever style lifting mechanism seems to be a bit bulky, seems to me something far smaller could do the job, further reducing the weight the rotor has to carry.

Anyway these are my thoughts, I just had to get them down. I'm gonna make a trip to home depot to scout "off the shelf" parts that could possibly be used for the various mechanisms involved, most importantly the lifting mechanism.  I firmly believe that if people can build something like this after a trip to their local home depot, with little cutting or milling, it will spread like wildfire, and nothing the oil companies or govts of the world can do will stop it from spreading. 

Regards.

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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #183 on: May 27, 2006, 09:10:37 AM »
Hi Everyone,

I was attempting to put a few last minute pieces and parts on the 3D model before putting out the pieces individually for download but I didn't have enough time to finish it off. But I did take some screenshots of the various parts and pieces for you all to check out. All I have left to complete is the rollers for the stator arms and to draw in the screws, nuts and bolts to hold everything together. I will then lay out the pieces on a 2D plane so I can give you all a good estimate of how much plastic you will need to fabricate it.

@ FredWalter:

I realize that the base is too big. The person who was supposed to be fabricating this model for me would be sectioning the base up into four chunks to machine and then put them together. The model was scaled to fit the size rotor magnets that we had available.

God Bless,
Jason O

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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #184 on: May 27, 2006, 09:12:34 AM »
Here are more screenshots:

FredWalter

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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #185 on: May 27, 2006, 01:21:48 PM »
Torbay's motor does a LOT of work just turning the rotor, topcap, and lifting ramp. Also, the lever style lifting mechanism seems to be a bit bulky, seems to me something far smaller could do the job, further reducing the weight the rotor has to carry.

When you are thinking about all that weight, think "flywheel".

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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #186 on: May 27, 2006, 01:26:33 PM »
I realize that the base is too big. The person who was supposed to be fabricating this model for me would be sectioning the base up into four chunks to machine and then put them together.

How big is the rotor? The base can be made in pieces, but the rotor has to be one piece.

That looks like a lot of work, to make this model. About how many hours did it take to make it?

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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #187 on: May 27, 2006, 04:41:47 PM »
Hi FredWalter,

I'm not sure how long it will take to make because the guy doing the work hasn't had the time to start fabricating it yet. But I can say that I made the cuts on most of the parts so that they could be cut almost all at once. The 3D model itself took me about 7 hours to draft up from start to finish.

The rotor cap in my drawing is 8" in diameter and the smaller hub pieces are 4" in diameter. How big of a cutting area can your CNC machine handle?

jake

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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #188 on: May 27, 2006, 05:12:21 PM »
What do you want to make the base out of?  Send me the material and I'll machine it for you for nothing.  If I have the material as surplus I'll donate it as well.

How about 1/2" aluminum for the base?  Could you possibly fit the design into 10.75" stock?  I have 1/2" mic-6 aluminum plate 10.75x15 that I will donate to the cause if you can make 10.75" fit.

gn0stik

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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #189 on: May 27, 2006, 05:42:39 PM »
Torbay's motor does a LOT of work just turning the rotor, topcap, and lifting ramp. Also, the lever style lifting mechanism seems to be a bit bulky, seems to me something far smaller could do the job, further reducing the weight the rotor has to carry.

When you are thinking about all that weight, think "flywheel".

Flywheels are perfectly balanced, which the torbay parts are obviously not. Not to mention, they take a long time to spin up.

At any rate, I like Jason's design a lot. Very nice. One question; Jason, do you think the angle of the cut on your stator magnets is enough to prevent interaction? Also I was looking at them, and I noticed you had what looked like a ceramic mag sandwiched between two neos, is that correct? What's the purpose of that?

Also a small wheel on top of your stator magnets might reduce friction on the topcap.
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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #190 on: May 27, 2006, 05:56:55 PM »
Thank you Gnostic has been a battle......Jason I have the same question as Gnostic, 'cause I have the interaction problem which made my rotor going stale or backwards depending on momentum and the magnets are ceramic type not that, strong.
 
Damn I can't find a suitablelfly wheel and the weekend is on us for vacations I'll keep working until the evening I can't waitt!. Enjoy...remember the heros.

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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #191 on: May 27, 2006, 06:33:45 PM »
How big of a cutting area can your CNC machine handle?

I don't have any CNC machines at the moment. I do have a Sherline 2000 milling machine, which I want to CNC when I have time and workshop space. The specifications for Sherline's machines are here: http://www.sherline.com/specs.htm

If you could get the parts sized so that they could be constructed on a Sherline, then there would be thousands (or more) of CNC hobbiests across the USA that could make them.

For my Sherline 2000: x-travel 8.68", y-travel 7", z-travel 5.38"

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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #192 on: May 27, 2006, 07:04:12 PM »
I can handle 120" x 60" x 30"

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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #193 on: May 29, 2006, 04:01:16 PM »
Hi Everyone,

I was attempting to put a few last minute pieces and parts on the 3D model ....
Jason O

Hi Jason.
I think that the TOP (image004.gif) is different from the pictures that Omnibus sent us. You use the whole rotation to bring a popped up magnet back in line with the other magnets, and Torbay uses only a part of the rotation to bring the magnet back in line.
Regards,
Eric.

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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #194 on: May 29, 2006, 05:45:19 PM »
  Just another know-it-all in your face newbie here.  I don't want to insult anyones intelligence here (especially
mine) but I just can't understand the necessity of lifting all these heavy stator magnets up and down on the
Torbay design.  Just seems totally retarded although I realize the asynchronous aspect of the design is very
good.  Instead of wasting all this energy flopping heavy magnets around, why not just use the ramp to
raise lightweight Conetic shields up and down and let the poor stator magnets rest in peace!  This would let
the device run more like a sewing machine and less like a jack hammer!
  A device that would do this is in this patent application for a Low Energy Magnetic Actuator:
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/20060066428.html?highlight=low%20energi%20magnet%20actuat
 It is claimed in the patent that it only requires a small amount of energy to turn the magnetic field on and off.
 This would have to save tons of energy hammering magnets up and down and reduce friction.  What am I missing here?
  All right, I will go back to my comic books now and leave everyone alone!

                                                    Glenn

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