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hartiberlin

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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #150 on: May 15, 2006, 12:15:53 PM »
Hi Danny,
can?t you just invite a friend with a camera, so you both can post a short video ?
What kind of help do you need with FEMM ?

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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #151 on: May 15, 2006, 03:27:10 PM »
Hi Danny!
?Can you post some pictures from your model?
Thanks very much!

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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #152 on: May 15, 2006, 05:18:57 PM »
sorry, the closest friend with cam that i know of is not interested in tech and would not drive that far for just a picture or two.. :( i wish he would... trust me i explored every avenue. the only way for me to post a pic is if i draw it :) my cam is dead.. as nastrand :) he saw it.... the image is very dark and shadowy and all shades of green.... i think it died of neglect... poor thing never got used.... :) well.... i will see if i can maybe come up with enough money to buy a cheep dig camera or something today.. if not it will have to wait. as to the femm... what help do i need?.. hmm.... i need somebody to take a look at my drawings and make a simulation... i have looked at the femm program and decided i do not have time these days to learn yet another program... i need simulations so that i can make adjustments to my design accordingly. the changes i have made range from minor notes to help build the device with house hold parts to one major change... the major change will need femm to back up or rule it out... I have already requested somebodies assistance. If i need I will ask others later.. i am sorry for my hasty post.... i was half alseep last earlier.. I should have waited to make any post untill all was ready... please just disregard all. I have been very busy learning and designing many many things. I have logged over 130 hrs a week at this computer for a little over two months now in an attempt to learn webprogramming and more... my intellegence is a little spread thin these days... perhaps once i catch up with my todo list i will have more time/effort to offer this group.. I will post what I can/have as soon as I have put it all together. sorry/thanks, danny

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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #153 on: May 16, 2006, 10:44:39 PM »
So...Silver....it's alive , it's alive.......aliiiiiiiiiiiive!!!

Is great encouragenment to me, to know that it works somehow, I understand the problem 'cause my magnets from radio shack are heavy and I'm using wood....my wheels from homedepot definitely will add drag to the thing,I'm still trying to figure out how to make the rotor to make it run smooth with a heavy flywheel on top of it....special bearings??......will see but try to get a disposable camera and put it in a video cd that's not to expensive so you can download .good luck

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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #154 on: May 16, 2006, 11:55:19 PM »
Danny,
if you post your drawings, I can see what I can do with FEMM
from it.
Does your motor still run ?
How fast ? RPM ?
What kind of magnets do you use , Neodym or ferrite ?

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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #155 on: May 19, 2006, 11:55:12 PM »
I didn't see this posted elsewhere - apologies if it's a dup.

The attached (whilst not how Torbay specifies his setup) may help create a similar device - using mechanical force only for actuation.

Thoughts?


Interesting idea for replacement of the stators, however there are two problems with it. I'm unaware of any material that would effectively shield a magnetic field. Magnetism is a force not an energy, like gravity. If we could shield a force, we'd have done it with gravity a long time ago and achieved overunity that way. Likewise with magnetism. The second problem is it requires power to make the actuators move the shield. Unless of course we did it mechanically, which also requires power, just mechanical power. However if the torque calculations are correct, there's plenty of that to spare.

Forgive me if I posted prematurely, I've only just read the old thread and I'm on page 17 of the new one. Not quite to the end yet. Very interesting read so far I must say.

Regards,
Gn0stik.


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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #156 on: May 22, 2006, 08:50:30 PM »
http://www.theverylastpageoftheinternet.com/magneticExp/lafonte/lafonte.htm

doesn't this give anyone an idea how to easily move (very little mechanical power from rotor) the stators of this motor?

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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #157 on: May 22, 2006, 10:41:10 PM »
I must reply to this one 'cause Lafonte was has been trying for ages , and this is to show that we might only have a proof of principle in this case and excellent demo in Buthce's hands to explain only one of the Torbay's motor characteristics/principles..  but not a motor and the kind of tridimensional power thinking is required to get a working motor, I must admit my own thinkering about Butche's motor didn't get any results if he only would've integrated some kind of actuator to supress magnetic force......  and right now there's no access to see his many ideas that never worked but where very inspiring, so close and yet so far and now he is going private like Perendev, we are going to end up with a "lease agreement" for his motor, yes we have to pay but not for a difference of only pennies,on the other hand if no terroristic fashion like restrictions are issued then we can copy it, and then again i don't think anyone is going to make money on this.....see??in the show by Simon Cowl  "american inventor" a man invented the directional emergency lights for a motorbike helmet, the Judge inventor marketing guru said "thank you for the idea now everyone can put lights on its helmets......sorry not good, is too easily replicable"....Regards

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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #158 on: May 22, 2006, 11:09:14 PM »
it has been braught to my attention that i have been lacking in my update... :( sorry,

my motor stopped running after a few hours.. it runs very slow... rpm..not sure... i dont have a device to measure it.. but i would aproxamate less than one round per second so id average it out to about 55rpm ...

the flaw with my model?

i did not measure the best effective distance for my rotor and stator magnet reaction..

my stator arm pins were stiff and non polished..
the sides of my stators rubb on the ancor to much...
my rotor is using the magnets set on their side (to little reactive surface)
i only used three small rotor magnets.
i used eight stator arms and had to much gap between
my timing was sloppy and not easily refine/adjustable)
my "top plate" was rough and had dents.. not very good at all...

all in all i was surprised that the thing worked at all.... but it did. i dont see why nobody else has gotten it to work.. it was relatively simple.. and the design is so accurate (in concept) that even with all these errors it still functioned.. so how is it that all your models are not working to some degree? The answer i think is that instead of building the model you are doing experiments... (building the motor with no topcap.. is an experiment.. not a replication attempt....) so stop playing and experementing and build the darn thing :) even if you dont know why it works.. as long as you usnderstand what goes where you can make this thing...  a basic mechanical understanding is all that is needed.. you dont need to understand the fields and such untill later in the refinement stage...

I am going to have to take my model apart to create the new one.. i will start that today or tom. I am sorry i could not get a picture or video for you all but i am not joking when i tell you all that i have no job and no income.. i live on food stamps and government housing.. yes i am ashamed of this but there is nothing to be done... i do not have any money to go get a camera or such unless i get the money off of a friend or something. sorry.. you can count me as a lier or fony or what ever you want.. personally i could care less.. i am here to try and learn and help others do the same.. not to prove myself to anyone.. sorry for my lack of resources...

Once i get a fully functioning model running that i can be proud of i will send it off to somebody (one of you) to take pics of and verify..

Please understand that i am also trying to create a website/service (learning webprogramming at the same time) that will be a source of income for me and my family...... this motor though at the TOP of my interests and hobby list will take some time due to my lack of time to put into it.. :( sorry...

one last note.. this next prototype will take me a long time to create.. it will require a lot of custom work that i will have to find a "redneck" way to do.. this new design i drew up is complex (as far as building is concerned) and my ideas to add after i get a good working model built are even farther advanced as far as a mechanical raising and lowering system for the arms.. and transfer of eccess torque into rpms... (to make this motor more compatable with a standard generator...)

I will not be updating this post for a while..(untill there is something to update :) ) if ANY of you.. whether you know me or not want to ask me anything then please PM me on any of my messengers (i use trillian so all in one :) ) I dont mind taking a moment to describe this motors functions or my ramblings and findings.. just keep in mine i am have a simple education... my understanding of this motor is fine... my ability to .......articulate...... that is not... my vocabulary not being quite as advanced as some of you...

anyways... back to work i go... talk to you all later..

thanks, sorry,
danny


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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #159 on: May 22, 2006, 11:22:14 PM »
man.. that went from update to looney rant in no time :) sorry....

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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #160 on: May 22, 2006, 11:50:48 PM »
Here are the other pics I did receive from Omnibus.
He did not email back since about 3 weeks.
I don?t know, if Torbay was a second time in New York or not
with a functioning motor.
One picture shows a wrong stator magnet with a wrong polarisation.
I was told, that this was a rebuild motor from someone else,
but it really looks like it was Torbay?s own first motor..
« Last Edit: May 23, 2006, 12:51:59 AM by hartiberlin »

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