Author Topic: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2 (Read 314663 times)

Liberty · « **Reply #120 on:** May 05, 2006, 05:39:54 PM »

Would this idea be of use as a type of monopole rotor? Multiple magnets could be used on the rotor but would have to be balanced. Here is a diagram of the monopole rotor.

kukulcangod · « **Reply #121 on:** May 05, 2006, 07:16:36 PM »

Madd here you can find them ,:

http://www.matchrockets.com/ether/halbach.html

Is a great site hopefully somebody would get this going somehow ,because I can't find anymore information about Torbay other than repeated news.

I'll go the saw way water is something I did'nt considered knowing better ,ho well .... Have fun.

Jdo300 · « **Reply #122 on:** May 05, 2006, 09:23:07 PM »

Quote from: Liberty on May 05, 2006, 05:39:54 PM

Would this idea be of use as a type of monopole rotor? Multiple magnets could be used on the rotor but would have to be balanced. Here is a diagram of the monopole rotor.

Hi Liberty,

That idea may work but you will run into problems with torque since you are using metal instead of magnets directly. The metal plate will only have a fraction of the strength of the original magnet so you may have to experiment to see if it will even work.

God Bless,
Jason O

Jdo300 · « **Reply #123 on:** May 05, 2006, 09:25:48 PM »

Quote from: kukulcangod on May 05, 2006, 07:16:36 PM

Madd here you can find them ,:

http://www.matchrockets.com/ether/halbach.html

Is a great site hopefully somebody would get this going somehow ,because I can't find anymore information about Torbay other than repeated news.

I'll go the saw way water is something I did'nt considered knowing better ,ho well .... Have fun.

Hallbach arrays are not a good choice to make a monopole magnet. If you look at the simlations on that website, you can see that though the flux is constrained to one side of the magnet, the actual pole orientations change. That would be very bad for the torbay motor because you will end up building a rotor magnet that both attracts and repels from the stator magnets.

God Bless,
Jason O

Liberty · « **Reply #124 on:** May 05, 2006, 10:07:03 PM »

Quote from: Jdo300 on May 05, 2006, 09:23:07 PM

Quote from: Liberty on May 05, 2006, 05:39:54 PM
Would this idea be of use as a type of monopole rotor? Multiple magnets could be used on the rotor but would have to be balanced. Here is a diagram of the monopole rotor.

Hi Liberty,

That idea may work but you will run into problems with torque since you are using metal instead of magnets directly. The metal plate will only have a fraction of the strength of the original magnet so you may have to experiment to see if it will even work.

God Bless,
Jason O

I would agree that torque could be affected, if the rotor magnet is placed too far away from the stators. But I think if one were to measure the magnetic field of the rotor magnet (with another magnet in repel) that you are using and place it within the "reach" of the magnetic field, it should flow through the steel plate with near the same strength as the magnet itself. The plate should be of adequate thickness to conduct the magnetic field into the plate and against the stator magnets for torque. Also the thickness and ability to direct the magnetic field of the rotor compared to the thickness and broad magnetic field of a magnet should allow the stator magnet travel upward to be less while using a steel rotor. I think that the field stator magnets may add to the repelling strength of the rotor as well while positioned between rotor magnets.

Jason O, you show in depth thinking with the great insight that you have provided.

Thanks for your insightful thoughts and for listening to some of mine,

Liberty

kukulcangod · « **Reply #125 on:** May 06, 2006, 08:55:54 AM »

You are right Jason, I was too excited and stressed out trying to find a solution, that I though the lines where pointing in one direction, .......
Finally at least my Rotorzip was able to cut through the donut magnet, the disc was for masonry the metal one created havoc on the magnet. still the cut wasn't very clean it broke like when trying to cut glass but is pretty decent, I was trying to get to fast through the cut, the angle in the rotor magnet is 15 , now I have the stator ones to go I hope the 7 magnet array would be enough.Regards

toorik · « **Reply #126 on:** May 08, 2006, 06:39:45 PM »

Hey Poeple!

Very interesting thread! Have been reading it since the very beginning.

One thing puzzles me though: why people have stopped posting as frequently as they did in the beginning? Where is Mr Tao, who gave so much to this replication effort.
Is everybody waiting for their magnets to arrive? (like me

) or has everybody suddenly realized that it wouldnt work afterall?

Jdo300 · « **Reply #127 on:** May 08, 2006, 08:04:34 PM »

Hi Toorik,

Actually, I think your first thought is more correct. I among others here are in the process of building a prototype of the motor. No loss of morale here :-).

God Bless,
Jason O

Liberty · « **Reply #128 on:** May 08, 2006, 10:57:03 PM »

Quote from: Jdo300 on May 08, 2006, 08:04:34 PM

Hi Toorik,

Actually, I think your first thought is more correct. I among others here are in the process of building a prototype of the motor. No loss of morale here :-).

God Bless,
Jason O

Have you been able to have a complete rotation from your prototype motor yet?

Nastrand2000 · « **Reply #129 on:** May 09, 2006, 12:04:56 AM »

today i have recieved 200 neo maganets, i plan to replicate torbay's motor using 72 stator arms...more to come once the rotor and stators are placed. This motor replication has not died. These are the rotor magnets http://www.kjmagnetics.com/proddetail.asp?prod=B824 and these are the stator magnets http://www.kjmagnetics.com/proddetail.asp?prod=B842

Jdo300 · « **Reply #130 on:** May 09, 2006, 12:21:38 AM »

Quote from: Liberty on May 08, 2006, 10:57:03 PM

Quote from: Jdo300 on May 08, 2006, 08:04:34 PM
Hi Toorik,

Actually, I think your first thought is more correct. I among others here are in the process of building a prototype of the motor. No loss of morale here :-).

God Bless,
Jason O

Have you been able to have a complete rotation from your prototype motor yet?

Hi Liberty,

I just finished making a CAD design of the model I want to replicate. I'm working with someone now who will be doing the machining so it will be a while before I can do any testing.

God Bless,
Jason O

Nastrand2000 · « **Reply #131 on:** May 09, 2006, 12:55:36 AM »

i plan on doing the machinging tomarrow....can you post your cad drawings jason....thanx

Nastrand2000 · « **Reply #132 on:** May 09, 2006, 01:10:22 AM »

here is the replication model..

Liberty · « **Reply #133 on:** May 09, 2006, 02:03:27 AM »

Quote from: Jdo300 on May 09, 2006, 12:21:38 AM

Quote from: Liberty on May 08, 2006, 10:57:03 PM
Quote from: Jdo300 on May 08, 2006, 08:04:34 PM
Hi Toorik,

Actually, I think your first thought is more correct. I among others here are in the process of building a prototype of the motor. No loss of morale here :-).

God Bless,
Jason O

Have you been able to have a complete rotation from your prototype motor yet?

Hi Liberty,

I just finished making a CAD design of the model I want to replicate. I'm working with someone now who will be doing the machining so it will be a while before I can do any testing.

God Bless,
Jason O

I hear you, I am in the middle of moving and will be delayed for a while till I get resettled and find all my boxes and get my new workshop set up...
Hope all goes well for you on your prototype!

God Bless you as well, as it is important to acknowledge our Creator in all that we do.

Liberty

FredWalter · « **Reply #134 on:** May 09, 2006, 04:37:36 PM »

Quote from: Jdo300 on May 09, 2006, 12:21:38 AM

I just finished making a CAD design of the model I want to replicate.

Can you post your CAD designs, as an attached .zip file?

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