Author Topic: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2 (Read 314643 times)

shipto · « **Reply #600 on:** February 20, 2007, 10:49:59 PM »

I know the feeling about not getting things done as quick as you would like. I finally got a lathe 2 weeks ago and thought I would have a go at making some better pivots but havent found time. I really need to get my various projects sorted out as I am currently working on getting house sorted, getting drive sorted, my overunity device and am planning a wind turbine too. I do have all the jigs and parts cut for my pivots just need to get some time to turn them down now.

CLaNZeR · « **Reply #601 on:** February 21, 2007, 10:23:07 AM »

Quote from: shipto on February 20, 2007, 10:49:59 PM

I know the feeling about not getting things done as quick as you would like. I finally got a lathe 2 weeks ago and thought I would have a go at making some better pivots but havent found time. I really need to get my various projects sorted out as I am currently working on getting house sorted, getting drive sorted, my overunity device and am planning a wind turbine too. I do have all the jigs and parts cut for my pivots just need to get some time to turn them down now.

Excellent, What lathe did you buy?

I bought a Mini Lathe last year and well pleased with it and not a bad price, it is the Warco WD250.

Regards the wind turbine have you seen these sweet generators this guys been selling on ebay.
http://search.ebay.co.uk/_W0QQsassZbella-vegaQQhtZ-1

Regards

Sean.

idnick · « **Reply #602 on:** February 21, 2007, 05:02:06 PM »

Nice little lathe, CLaNZeR

Mine is a 12 X 36 Champion off of a WW II Navy ship. Note drill press I mounted on back of lathe for lite milling and keyways.

Dave

shipto · « **Reply #603 on:** February 21, 2007, 08:23:26 PM »

wow nice lathe clanzer much better than my little clarke http://www.machinemart.co.uk/shop/product/details/cl250m-metal-lathe but its good enough for what I need. I like the vintage one too it will probably outlast both mine and clanzer's. I have some old three phase motors at work that I am going to modify for my wind turbine. It will be kind of a piss off if I can get them generating a decent amount because we had about 25 of these to be thrown away and I only saved 2.

CLaNZeR · « **Reply #604 on:** February 23, 2007, 12:47:22 PM »

That little lathe is ideal mate for making small stuff.
Just being able to drill straight holes through round metal bars and making spacers is just so easy compared to trying it with a normal drill.

Must agree with you though Idnicks lathe survived the war and will probably out live us all !!

Flying home tonight so got a clear weekend to get out and play with my machines.
The sliders have not turned up and THK wanted ?900 for 16 of them ouch

, so Plan 2 in place now and use brass levers.

Regards

Sean.

Quote from: shipto on February 21, 2007, 08:23:26 PM

wow nice lathe clanzer much better than my little clarke http://www.machinemart.co.uk/shop/product/details/cl250m-metal-lathe but its good enough for what I need. I like the vintage one too it will probably outlast both mine and clanzer's. I have some old three phase motors at work that I am going to modify for my wind turbine. It will be kind of a piss off if I can get them generating a decent amount because we had about 25 of these to be thrown away and I only saved 2.

kukulcangod · « **Reply #605 on:** February 23, 2007, 04:17:54 PM »

Hi:
I have made a little effort to find out more about Mr Torbay's wereabouts and progress hopefully my friends in Argentina be able to locate him at his very home and interview him, but not even them were very aware of this ideas ,invention, life is a different reality over there certainly.

Cheers

CLaNZeR · « **Reply #606 on:** February 24, 2007, 11:03:59 PM »

Well after 12 hours of the CNC Router going, grinding, glueing and tapping, here is the next update with pictures:

(http://www.overunity.org.uk/hamel/torbay8-clanz.jpg)

Above the brass hasp hinges I am now using, due to sliders not arriving!
Wish I never went for such a big rotor as cutting 16 of everything is so boring grrrrrrr

(http://www.overunity.org.uk/hamel/torbay9-clanz.jpg)

Above trying to get a picture with all arms down, nearly impossible without the top hat in place, the Magnetic Flux gate is very strong using Neos, must admit.

(http://www.overunity.org.uk/hamel/torbay10-clanz.jpg)

Close up of the magnet holders and the plexi wheel that lifts each magnet. Need to replace this with a little wheel.

Well that is Saturday out of the way and tomorrow I will work on cutting out the 16 wheels to fix to each riser and getting the Top Hat installed, then we shall see if it runs.

The configuration allows alot of play and adjustment, I am tempted to mill out a new rotor and get rid of the arm, then just drill the rotor and insert an axle for the lifting wheel. This would bring the gap between each stator magnet closer, but will experiment more when all is in place.

Off for a glass of wine and crash in front of the TV for tonight

Regards

Sean.

Craigy · « **Reply #607 on:** February 25, 2007, 03:55:50 AM »

Clanzer, shame about the bearings, didn't realise they were that expensive tho..Blimey

helmut · « **Reply #608 on:** February 25, 2007, 10:55:40 AM »

Hello Sean

This looks realy after lots of work.And very proffessional.

If i have watched your wheel first,i told myselfe that it must also be Possible
to give the Rotorwheel a excentric shape and push the outside magnets,which are mounted on a linear bearing ,away from the rotormagnets,to have a magnetic gate.
But after thinking it over,i am not shure that it would work.

regards
Helmut

CLaNZeR · « **Reply #609 on:** February 25, 2007, 05:51:20 PM »

Well ran out of time this weekend again as family grabbed me for other task around the house!, and did not get round to milling out the wheels.

Got the top hat on as shown below though, but without the wheels the friction is too great, even though the wheel turns by hand okay and you can feel the kick of the magnets. Think they still may have to come closer to the rotor to create more force.

I feel I have got the bottom lifting bar in the correct place as not much force is needed to make each arm lift, the bottom lifiting bar has just got to slightly touch the bottom of each riser and along with the top hat aligned to allow clearance and the force of the rotor magnets, they fly upwards very easy.
It is the friction of each riser against the top hat I see as being the problem.

(http://www.overunity.org.uk/hamel/torbay11-clanz.jpg)

More next weekend.

Regards

Sean.

CLaNZeR · « **Reply #610 on:** February 25, 2007, 05:56:31 PM »

Hi Helmut

You are probably correct the same as many other peoples theories, but it is fun building it and if anything it proves to myself if it works or not.

Regards

Sean.

Quote from: helmut on February 25, 2007, 10:55:40 AM

Hello Sean

This looks realy after lots of work.And very proffessional.

If i have watched your wheel first,i told myselfe that it must also be Possible
to give the Rotorwheel a excentric shape and push the outside magnets,which are mounted on a linear bearing ,away from the rotormagnets,to have a magnetic gate.
But after thinking it over,i am not shure that it would work.

regards
Helmut

attack duck · « **Reply #611 on:** February 25, 2007, 08:15:12 PM »

Looks positively art deco Sean. Never thought door hinges could be so
attractive! One thing I'm wondering about is the segmented rotor magnets.
Several posters have indicated that something needs to be done about the
back side attraction of the rotor magnets and seem to think this is one of
the "secrets" of the Torbay device - using a continuous curved magnet.
I don't understand why that would make such a difference but maybe you
could try adding a curved steel plate to short out the back side attraction spins.
I would love to see this one working!

Glenn

shipto · « **Reply #612 on:** February 26, 2007, 01:22:20 AM »

Looking good so far, you obviously had more time to yourself than me this weekend I was busy with doors and frames. The one bit of time I got was spent turning down the plastic rotor for my generator.
Will really have to try to put some time into my ou experiment.

kukulcangod · « **Reply #613 on:** February 27, 2007, 09:47:41 AM »

Hi All:

Sean the design is so convenient , you can regulate everything,Ã‚Â being see through also lets you seeÃ‚Â more accurately how to do so.Is just an exquisit design.

I really hope it works that way , but what are you using for inertial force? what type of flywheel?, I think that is also a critical part, in your design I see that it can be a rised wheel which will allow you to keep seeing the adjustments.

Is definitely a good sign that is running as expected at least by hand, can wait to see results,because with ceramics I'm arranging the magnets like yours ,hopefully this time they will be strong enough to run the flywheel, and also will proof if we have a runner or not.

Thank you for posting your great work , is very inspirational

Good Luck

CLaNZeR · « **Reply #614 on:** February 27, 2007, 02:01:37 PM »

Hi Glenn

On the Rotor I have used 9 * 19mm square flat neos and they are end to end with North facing outwards, If I run a magnet around it does seem to form a continious force as expected, so hoping it does not make a difference.
I know what you are saying about have an arced magnet as the original Torbay, but to tell you the truth I think it is more to do with the kick you get at the end of the arc that drives it forwards and also the sticky point is at the front of the arc that is gotten around by the lifting of the first magnet each time.

If I use my hands without the top hat to control the Levers, it does indeed have a fair kick to drive it forward and easly lift the first magnet and so on, which gives it alot of promise. It is reducing the friction on the top hat that will be the test I reckon.
I am going to cut out some wheels, but would love to find a supplier of small 12-14mm wheels that have a small 3mm bearing.

I am also tempted to replace the wheel that lifts the front magnet with a magnet so it pushes it up and that way we reduce the friction as well, it will create another sticky point but that should be minimal.

Will play more when back this weekend.

Regards

Sean.

Quote from: attack duck on February 25, 2007, 08:15:12 PM

Looks positively art deco Sean. Never thought door hinges could be so
attractive! One thing I'm wondering about is the segmented rotor magnets.
Several posters have indicated that something needs to be done about the
back side attraction of the rotor magnets and seem to think this is one of
the "secrets" of the Torbay device - using a continuous curved magnet.
I don't understand why that would make such a difference but maybe you
could try adding a curved steel plate to short out the back side attraction spins.
I would love to see this one working!

Glenn

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