Author Topic: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2 (Read 314684 times)

attack duck · « **Reply #570 on:** February 07, 2007, 06:21:02 AM »

Hi Kukulkangod - Wowzer thats pretty cool. Theres very little done with horseshoe
magnets and I had not run into the neutral line concept anywhere else. The vid is
very convincing. Sure looks like you could turn a magnet on and off this way.
Looks like you're getting ready to try his stand up motor design. It's actually a very
sophisticated but simple design that uses magnetism, gravity, and polarity reversals
like in an electric motor. I think these polarity reversals are exactly what Tom
Bearden is calling a regauging mechanism and everything is set to zero again so the
cycle can repeat. Its starting to sink in that none of these motor designs work because they always end up being more or less symmetrical and have no effective
regauging mechanism - next to impossible to achieve in a rotary type motor. A standard bar type magnet is perfectly symmetrical. The gozintas at one end perfectly balance the gozoutas at the other. Everythings in perfect balance therefore no output. With horseshoe magnets you have instant assymmetry - duh!! With a high power neo horseshoe magnet you might get some decent power out of this design! Good luck and keep us posted. I think we need to learn all the tricks to make one of these things work!

Glenn

kukulcangod · « **Reply #571 on:** February 07, 2007, 07:18:18 AM »

Gleenn

Definitely not easy , I'm so amazed myself that I have to share it. It would save a lot of time by watching this about how to get that sleazy "neutral line" going.

I've heard of this crazy magnetic anomalies in the Bermuda triangle with compasses going crazy, In the Sidonia dessert somewhere, I've gotten dizzy by the Teotihuacan pyramids somebody told me "is because of the magnetic fields",I thought it was only bad tacos

...... I've even been told that when the "goat sucker" ;Dkills and left his prey the same happens to a compass over the body of the victim

But this happening to me?

.........I guess somehow is possible after all

Want to see something cool??

Best Regards

attack duck · « **Reply #572 on:** February 07, 2007, 07:31:37 AM »

Hi Kuku - After a major brain fart, I think the Gary concepts could possibly
be used in the the Torbay motor. What if you replaced the retarded clunking stators with neo horsehoes facing inwards and standing on edge.
Then have two rotors mounted solidly on the same axle but separated vertically by the width of the N and S poles of the horseshoe. The top rotor would see all N poles
and the bottom all S. Might need a heavy shield between rotors. Now setup the polarity switching mechanism taking very little energy (yeah sure uh huh) to turn off or switch polarity on each horseshoe in turn, which creates the imbalance in both the top and bottom rotor simultaneously, getting twice the torque since your'e switching off both poles not just one. Voila - working asynchronous Torbay/Gary motor!

Maybe still too symmetrical but you would have the permanent assymmetry created by the horseshoes. Seriously flawed I'm sure but the best I can do for one in the morning!

Glenn

Craigy · « **Reply #573 on:** February 08, 2007, 12:14:54 AM »

HI Kukulkangod and all,

i think i may understand why the torbay could possibly work and why me and many others have failed.

Magnetic viscocity

Could it be that with the neos we all use there is very little magnetic viscocity or lag as the domains of each magnet get close to one another, if we used crappy magnets, we would be able to push stators down before the magnet knew what was happening..

Craig

attack duck · « **Reply #574 on:** February 08, 2007, 03:13:11 AM »

Hi Craig - yeah well thats all the rage at Steorn of course. I hope its true.
I have gotten a small free roll of Mumetal tape and plan to try building up increasing
number of layers on top of some ferrite rotor magnets. Just doesn't seem like it
would make much difference. It might require spinning at high rpm before any effect
would be noticed. On the Torbay motor, it spins so slowly anyway with all the
stator magnets moving up and down.

Glenn

IronHead · « **Reply #575 on:** February 08, 2007, 03:36:14 AM »

If you are going to layer Mu metal, it seems to work much better with non magnetic gaps between layers. Paper works well for this.

Give it a try

marksmachines · « **Reply #576 on:** February 08, 2007, 03:26:00 PM »

Hi Guys

I have been following this Torbay Magnet motor since the start of the string and love the discussion.

Y'all have hit on a subject that I am confused on MuMetal. I understand this metal to be very stronlgy atracted to a magnet, more so than plain iron. It seems to use it as a shielding would require moving it in and out of a magnetic field, wouldn't that take energy to do? Is it the presumption the energy to move the shield (MuMetal) in and out of the field will be less than the energy gained from the action and interaction of the motivating magnets.

Thanks

attack duck · « **Reply #577 on:** February 08, 2007, 05:23:19 PM »

Hey MM - I would love to get into a discussion about behaviour of Mu metals but
unfortunately I am mentally handicapped in that area. According to the Law of
Conservation of Energy, you can pay me now or pay me later but you still have to pay. Steorn claims to have found a way using low viscosity magnetic materials (Mumetal?)
and varying insertion speeds on their device to cheat the system and get a rotor magnet inserted without paying too much and then get the full kick out the other side. This would be a time variant response that is not allowed under COE. All reactions under COE are supposed to be time invariant according to Noethers theorem.
Even if their device works, I can't imagine any of their jurists willing to get their
necks chopped by stating that COE is being violated. I'm guessing they will test for
years looking for any possibilities of fraud or unknown energy sources without coming up with a verdict.

Glenn

CLaNZeR · « **Reply #578 on:** February 09, 2007, 10:23:51 PM »

Quote from: MrMag on February 04, 2007, 10:01:34 PM

Sean,

Nice and clean design. Keep up the good work and good luck!!

Tim

Thanks Tim for the support.

Flew home tonight for the weekend and still no sliders

If they are not here tomorrow, will maybe mill out some custom made ones out of plexiglass as can always replace them later with smoother precision bearings as ordered.

Regards

Sean.

CLaNZeR · « **Reply #579 on:** February 09, 2007, 10:26:29 PM »

Quote from: shipto on February 05, 2007, 10:42:17 PM

looking good people I have done some more work on my own device. Details and pics on my blog, I think I am getting somewhere its going to be case of fine tuning. The trouble is I dont know if it can still be called a torbay now the orientation is reversed for one thing.

Excellent Shipto, good to see others still working on it.

Can you explain the reverse angle you have gone for?

Regards

Sean.

CLaNZeR · « **Reply #580 on:** February 09, 2007, 10:30:18 PM »

Nice one kukulcangod

Would take some aligning to get the effect you are showing on a rotor, but if it could be timed right that the neutral line is hit at the right time, you do indeed have a way of switching the pole at the right time.

Regards

Sean.

Quote from: kukulcangod on February 06, 2007, 09:24:13 PM

Glenn
You deserve to know more certainly , this is just a what I can test right away as you can see is the next itteration on the gary discovery.....

Amazingly it keeps holding true....

Sorry I know this is not the forum for this topic but this one is working and on this forum we have workers not just people arguing and not jumping into action . And who knows maybe by pairing this two we might get nice results.
Anyway I will be posting on the other forum my next results .

As per the torbay I see really neat ideas about it thank you for posting , I will be posting with the classical Torbay design with no cuts on the magnets hoping this time it gets strong enough pull to move my rotor wheel , which was the problem last time ,
Obviously I consider this feat more difficult at the moment so I decided to give it a rest...........is proven to be better.

So this answers your question Glenn?

Cheers

shipto · « **Reply #581 on:** February 10, 2007, 01:06:11 AM »

Quote from: CLaNZeR on February 09, 2007, 10:26:29 PM

Excellent Shipto, good to see others still working on it.

Can you explain the reverse angle you have gone for?

Regards

Sean.

OK this is where I fall short I am not good at explaining my ideas and thoughts. on the torbay concept the static magnets are on the inner rotor well on mine they are on a outer ring (dont think I have taken a photo of outer ring yet will have to do it on monday) the stators are running on a cam, you can probably make out the bearings on the inner ends of the stators which keeps them lifted in line with the outer rotor magnets and at the right moment drops it out of the field (this is where the device will need lots of tweaking) the pic shows the cam better. maybe the yabrot motor would suit LOL

kukulcangod · « **Reply #582 on:** February 10, 2007, 05:15:26 PM »

HI:
Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Glenn your idea of combination of both concepts is great it comes as a logical conclusion ,Torque to move the pole shifting bar is something to consider ,by experience only by building we will see what other unkowns are involved.
So far trying to achieve a correct balance to make something rotate like that vertical horseshoe magnet is proven to be extremely difficult , I'm ready to change to my new factory made medium horsehoe magnets, so I will keep trying with my variable setting, I got some movement some rotation but the balancing again is very tricky , just remember that 50th of an inch mentioned .......I think is very truly and unbalancing act which takes a lot of time to master.......nonetheless it might offer and idea of how this crazy compass effect occurs in nature like in Sedona Arizona.......

Cheers

attack duck · « **Reply #583 on:** February 10, 2007, 07:14:42 PM »

Wow, heres something totally weird and wonderful. Was just playing with a neo and an Ace Hardware ferrite magnet this AM. If you go N to N and bring them together you get repulsion until you get them within 1/4" of each other. Then you feel the repulsion stop and go neutral.
As you bring them closer, strong attraction takes over and they stick together , N to N.
The neo is so much stronger that at close range the ferrite domains must be realligning.
Part of the Steorn effect? You can definitely see and feel the neutral line and the
polarity change. Looks like a no-energy no-brainer magnetic switch to me! Everyone
needs to try this!

Glenn

attack duck · « **Reply #584 on:** February 11, 2007, 08:45:13 AM »

Hi Kukulcangod - very impressive work on the Gary motor. This would really be
fantastic to duplicate. I think that design has all the necessary elements
of using assymmetry, gravity and polarity reversals. It seems to me any self runner needs to incorporate all three. I hope I'm wrong though!
The only thing that concerns me on your build is the rigidity of the structure.
If the tuning requires a one/fiftieth of an inch motion at the neutral line then
the structure should be extremely rigid. Hope I'm wrong there too!

Glenn

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