Author Topic: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2 (Read 314664 times)

Craigy · « **Reply #555 on:** January 28, 2007, 02:08:12 PM »

Give up! the bearings are microscopic, and impossible to put back in without a microscope, I have the bearings now they are normaly very good and get to Tenerife in 2 weeks from the states, probably quicker to you.
I don't know what the customs limit is inthe uk nowadays , but here as long as i don't go over 30 dollars, they don't bother asking for duty. I know, that if customs get involved i have a 30 euro paperwork charge, even tho the duty is only a couple of euros, and the packet gets delayed a month...Thats why i use ebay so often, most sellers use standard post so the customs don't get involved.

Craig

attack duck · « **Reply #556 on:** January 28, 2007, 06:00:49 PM »

Hi Sean - yeah I know what you are saying. Some guys were calling that the Tri-Force technique a year or so ago on the Minatowheel list. I try to stay optomistic but whenever you have 2 or more magnets together, they all combine together to essentially become one magnet. Shielding can help but reduces the power because it attracts the field. Hey, if it was easy, we'd all be flying around in George Jetson skycars by now!
I can easily lift a planet and reorient it on my setup. One thing I want to try is reorient the planets with all N facing in. Then as the base turned, the field will pulsate
N,S,N,S at the center of the axle. Should be able to make some killer AC!
Another thing to try would be to try some vertical rotors. Take a look at this proposal off the Steorn - Peswiki site. Looks interesting but theres still back drag on the belts and wobble drive.

Glenn

kukulcangod · « **Reply #557 on:** February 02, 2007, 12:29:48 AM »

My little tribute to all of you hard working experimenters

Keep going.

Best of all to you.

stevensuf · « **Reply #558 on:** February 03, 2007, 03:15:55 AM »

HI to all new to this forum but not new to this field.
A couple of coments on the Torbay after watching the video of the original.

1.It will never ever work without a disc shaped rotor magnet ,with poles through the diameter ie at curved edges not faces, any other arrangement will produce cogging.
Some people i see were/are trying to use bar/rod magnets these will just cog unless you have the stator magnets extremely close together which is a big no no.

2. The stator magnets must be a fair distance apart or the force to put them down will be huge it is not important that they are close together rather the opposite, leave a good gap between the magnets. Hence you must use the disc magnet so you can have the stator magnets sufficiently far apart to reduce the force required to reset them and avoid avoid cogging which would occur with bar/rod/array of individual magnets.

3. Timing get it right

A simple ramp system as Torbay used on the bottom /top of rotor disc, like a simple rollercoaster ride works well

no springs just rollers and the stator magnet restet force is minimal if you use the proper disc stator magnet and correct timing.

tonyc · « **Reply #559 on:** February 03, 2007, 12:14:09 PM »

Quote from: stevensuf on February 03, 2007, 03:15:55 AM

HI to all new to this forum but not new to this field.
A couple of coments on the Torbay after watching the video of the original.

12.

Hi ,
from your message it sounds like you have a working "torbay"

?

After several failed atempts I studied his video again , and am now convinced it is a fake. Unless my efforts are way off line , I can see no way that the motor would stop dead as soon as the on/off magnet is removed. From my experiments it would rock back and forth for awhile and would stop either at the raised magnet or the hole made by the slide magnet..it doesn't do this in the video . Also he manages on one occasion to slide the magnet back into the device when the rotor magnet is right in front of the slide magnet , he does this with his finget tips , my experiments show me that it would require a lot more force than that.

The inventor does stress the importance of shapeing the magnets.. I am unable to do this , so maybe his motor realy does work and this shapeing of the magnets is the secret to it all.

I would be pleased to hear that you have been able to replicate the motor , then I could follow your advice above and try again.

cheers

Tony

attack duck · « **Reply #560 on:** February 03, 2007, 08:34:15 PM »

Hi Kukulcangod - did you notice any polarity reversals on the bar at the end of
the lever with small steel nails attracted to the bar falling off at the neutral line
or by checking polarity with a small compass with the bar above and below the
neutral line? That would be interesting. I have trouble understanding why the
steel bar would "change" polarity at a "neutral" line rather than just diminish in
polarity further from the magnet. It seems like all thats really happening is the
steel bar when its in front of the stationary magnet is just weakening the field
letting the balanced magnet drop. Nice video!

Glenn

CLaNZeR · « **Reply #561 on:** February 03, 2007, 09:33:06 PM »

Still waiting on my sliders to come from Ebay USA this side, been over 2 weeks, so hope it is still a done deal.
But home for the weekend and managed to start work on my Rotar as shown below.

(http://www.overunity.org.uk/hamel/torbay1-clanz.jpg)
(http://www.overunity.org.uk/hamel/torbay2-clanz.jpg)
(http://www.overunity.org.uk/hamel/torbay3-clanz.jpg)
(http://www.overunity.org.uk/hamel/torbay4-clanz.jpg)

I think the height of the outside ring is a little bit too high, but will be able to adjust easly enough when I have the sliders and magnets in place.

With this design I have drawn it up more around the magnets I have to hand rather than trying to squeeze the magnets into the design as such.
I have allowed alignment for each magnet at any given time which uses on 9 magnets to form the arc on the Rotar and 16 magnets on the stator. But this can be reduced on either as experimenting begins.

I have milled out the Rotar with an arm to raise the meeting magnet and used a outer ring bolted on top to lower it back into place.

As long as my sliders turn up, more updates next weekend.

Regards

Sean.

Craigy · « **Reply #562 on:** February 04, 2007, 03:39:49 AM »

Cool , look forward to seeing the sliders in place..That ebay site have not let me down. i have bought 3 times from them without hassle, but with distance you never can tell..

Craig

CLaNZeR · « **Reply #563 on:** February 04, 2007, 12:15:52 PM »

Thanks Craigy

I also ordered some elctro magnets the same day from someone else and they have not arrived either, so not too worried, just a pain having to wait when ya want to get something up and going!!!.

Regards

Sean.

Quote from: Craigy on February 04, 2007, 03:39:49 AM

Cool , look forward to seeing the sliders in place..That ebay site have not let me down. i have bought 3 times from them without hassle, but with distance you never can tell..

Craig

tropes · « **Reply #564 on:** February 04, 2007, 02:31:38 PM »

Sean
You say you ordered some electromagnets. From where can you them?
Peter

CLaNZeR · « **Reply #565 on:** February 04, 2007, 03:03:00 PM »

Quote from: tropes on February 04, 2007, 02:31:38 PM

Sean
You say you ordered some electromagnets. From where can you them?
Peter

Hi Pete

I have just checked and the guy is still selling them in lots of 4 at $4.88 each:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200074401196&ssPageName=MERC_VIC_RCRX_BIN_IT&refitem=200067937803&itemcount=2&refwidgetloc=closed_view_item&usedrule1=CrossSell_LogicX&refwidgettype=cross_promot_widget

(http://www.tekit.seriouslyinternet.com/ebay-elec.jpg)

For sale here is one lot of four (4) cylindrical electromagnets. Each electromagnet measures 46mm in diameter and 36mm high with two 12mm protruding 4mm x .70 threaded connection terminals. Polymer body encapsulates the laminated steel wound core and includes four steel sleeved 3mm mounting holes in a rectangular configuration on 19mm by 33mm centers. The tripolar ground surface faces are additionally protected by an bonded circumferential steel band 1.75mm thick by 6.5mm deep. The cross-sectional view photo below exhibits the hermetically sealed core windings which are comprised of 132 turns of 24ga solid copper wire having a DC resistance of roughly 1.5 ohms. Zero air gap flat plate loading of one of these electromagnets will generate approximately 14lb of holding force per volt of applied EMF. For example, supplying 6VDC to one of these will exert 84 lb of lifting force. Perfect for student labs or experimentation. Higher duty cycle usage may require a drop resistor.

Hope this helps

Regards

Sean.

CLaNZeR · « **Reply #566 on:** February 04, 2007, 05:14:38 PM »

Just another update.

Rather than having arms going up and down as per other designs I have opted for Slides on the back of seeing Craigy's ideas and am going to use the ones below.

(http://www.overunity.org.uk/hamel/mini-rails.jpg)

I am going to mount onto the sliders magnets as below:

(http://www.overunity.org.uk/hamel/torbay5-clanz.jpg)

Have ground down the Rotar arm to a slope

(http://www.overunity.org.uk/hamel/torbay6-clanz.jpg)

And this should lift them when they meet.

(http://www.overunity.org.uk/hamel/torbay7-clanz.jpg)

More as I go along.

Regards

Sean.

MrMag · « **Reply #567 on:** February 04, 2007, 10:01:34 PM »

Sean,

Nice and clean design. Keep up the good work and good luck!!

Tim

shipto · « **Reply #568 on:** February 05, 2007, 10:42:17 PM »

looking good people I have done some more work on my own device. Details and pics on my blog, I think I am getting somewhere its going to be case of fine tuning. The trouble is I dont know if it can still be called a torbay now the orientation is reversed for one thing.

kukulcangod · « **Reply #569 on:** February 06, 2007, 09:24:13 PM »

Glenn
You deserve to know more certainly , this is just a what I can test right away as you can see is the next itteration on the gary discovery.....

Amazingly it keeps holding true....

Sorry I know this is not the forum for this topic but this one is working and on this forum we have workers not just people arguing and not jumping into action . And who knows maybe by pairing this two we might get nice results.
Anyway I will be posting on the other forum my next results .

As per the torbay I see really neat ideas about it thank you for posting , I will be posting with the classical Torbay design with no cuts on the magnets hoping this time it gets strong enough pull to move my rotor wheel , which was the problem last time ,
Obviously I consider this feat more difficult at the moment so I decided to give it a rest...........is proven to be better.

So this answers your question Glenn?

Cheers

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