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Author Topic: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2  (Read 314659 times)

Jdo300

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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #525 on: November 28, 2006, 05:44:06 PM »
Hi Craigy,

That?s a good idea, especially if you employ the Steorn shield to do the switching. In that case it bight be better to use a Minato wheel as the rotor since you get more power through the 360 degrees of rotation (until you hit the sticky spot). I like those designs because they give you power through the ramp plus an additional kick at the end. But if you can make some kind of cam or lever or something to actuate the shield right before the stator magnet reaches the sticky spot, then you've got it! The question is how much energy does it take to move the shield?

God Bless,
Jason O
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peter_schmalenbach

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Re: Forum klappt nicht mehr gut
« Reply #526 on: November 30, 2006, 06:40:30 PM »
Hallo Stefan,

bei fast jedem zweiten Klick auf irgendeine Seite kommt nur eine leere Seite mit folgender Meldung:

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Besonders, wenn man ein "Reply" schreiben will.

Oder es kommt:

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Gru?
Peter Schmalenbach
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Craigy

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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #527 on: December 01, 2006, 05:39:19 PM »
Hi Dingus and Jason and all

Hold on , i have an idea in fabrication, Question is will or will it not work? I think it will, but 500 years of history is against me. I will post a video if it works or not.
What do i do if it works? The uk patent office say it takes 3 years to get a patent, and since it would be perpetual motion they would not give you a patent anyway.

Shall i just give the motor to the world and go back to my 9 to 5?

LOL

Craigy
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allcanadian

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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #528 on: December 01, 2006, 08:56:52 PM »
Give the technology to everyone-Then start a company to sell them on EBay. No patents, No lawyers, No problem!
You win-We win
Why would you waste 10 years in the legal process which garantee's nothing, when you could start making big money next week?
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Dingus Mungus

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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #529 on: December 01, 2006, 09:28:21 PM »
Even if you got a patent, China will produce them for pennies on the
dollar... If I am ever fortunate enough to discover a FE source, I
would give it away as fast as I could. Do you really think  keeping
the secret of FE to yourself pays? el oh el!
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Craigy

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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #530 on: December 02, 2006, 12:44:04 AM »
Hi guys,

I am playing with shields, But that may not be the correct term.

Now on the torbay motor i have fixed all stators and constructed a  Guillotine type of mechanism that sits between rotor and Stator.

The placing of said shield is critical, as we know from some of the posts done by allcanadian. The placement detemines what lateral force is on the shield. I have aimed at equal forces on either side. This is only an approximation because of the nature of the rotor , which in my machine has 13 magnets facing the stators and of course is circular.

Now i have to critizise my own video of the test i performed. what appears to be a good demonstration of shielding is in fact a demonstration of attraction. The rotor is being attracted to the shield which moves the rotor. So what is happening on my Guillotine?  I belive the same is happening.

When the shield is up and out of the way of both stator and rotor the torbay finds its neutral spot and settles there. When we drop the shield down the guillotine , its presence unsettles the magnetic field and the rotor is at first attracted by the steel shield , but as the rotor moves away from equelibrum towards the shield the other stators begin to act upon the rotor , so that the point of equelibrium is projected further clockwise so that the rotor rotates.

The energy required to move shield up and down is very small. i have used the cam i was using originally but this time without the stator lifting magnet. This cam pushes the shield down easily , timing is perhaps 10 degrees in front of the rotor ( As per standard torbay), The Shield then pops back up again because i have a spring attached that brings the shield back to vertical.
This requires tunning, the time the shield is pushed down by the cam i think affects how well this will work, but once the cam has passed by, the spring has no problem in raising the shield .

So we are not so much shielding the field as dangling a bit of steel in front of the rotor, I don't know but i feel it is a worth while avenue of investigation, so i will be making lots of little Guillotines this weekend

Wish me luck

Craigy


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Craigy

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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #531 on: December 02, 2006, 01:00:06 PM »
Hi all , heres a photo. The shield used there was unmodified from a hard disk,  apart for a hole drilled to take the spring.
Since its shape has not been determined by me, i am trying different shapes of steel. Mainly because i want the spring pulling the shield up from the side and not on top whereit is at the mo.

Craigy

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mrd10

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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #532 on: December 03, 2006, 12:21:21 AM »
excellent work Craig, I still from time to time pop in to see what youve been doing, hats to ya.

I'm still pursuing Sms device, if your interested pop into yahoo to see my open tpu, which is a work in progress, just for your viewing.

http://tech.ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/markdevice/photos/browse/3068

theres still alot of things happening on this forum regarding it.

Your doing very well.

Dom
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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #533 on: December 04, 2006, 11:37:18 PM »
hey craigy,

have you tried using a double action occilating lever like in gravity motors at this site to lift or lower the shield?

lol
sam
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Craigy

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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #534 on: December 05, 2006, 01:45:18 AM »
The shield as shown in the photo worked well when there was just one of them, when we add more and more shields the rotor has more and more to be attracted too. This may be useful in the wankel type of motor where the the electro magnet goes, will try if i get the chance to experiment.
idea is not dead yet, i have another angle to explore.

Cheers


Craigy
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Craigy

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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #535 on: December 06, 2006, 11:01:55 PM »
This is what comes of trying to make the torbay work, in the end i have run out of options and i will have to change the confguration of the torbay. i cannot see how torbay's design could possibly work as published.

I still have a few ideas , but i must leave the standard torbay configuration behind and embark on my own designs.

Here is yet another video of my experiments

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpy230xGMJY

I hope these videos help people to design their own machines learning from my mistakes

Craigy

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Dingus Mungus

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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #536 on: December 07, 2006, 02:47:50 AM »
@craigy

I would avoid using aluminum as the shield material. I have been told that dragging a magnets field over aluminum will create eddy curents. I'm not sure wether this applies to your thin shields but I figured I would at least put it out there for someone with more knowledge to comment on. Plus I'd hate to see you start cutting them only to find out they belong in the same pile as the sheet metal shields.

Good luck and good work,
~Dingus
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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #537 on: December 08, 2006, 02:51:55 AM »
Just a thought ... Stainless Steel 316L can be heated to a point that it is annealed and removes any magnetic flux ... not sure if that helps.
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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #538 on: December 08, 2006, 07:18:41 AM »
Quote from: Dingus Mungus on December 07, 2006, 02:47:50 AM
@craigy

I would avoid using aluminum as the shield material. I have been told that dragging a magnets field over aluminum will create eddy curents.

Dragging magnets over any metal with non-zero conductivity creates eddy currents in metal. This is one of the ways of shielding.
« Last Edit: December 08, 2006, 08:12:43 AM by specter »
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Craigy

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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #539 on: December 08, 2006, 10:04:50 PM »
Hi guys, i do not expect aluminum to do any real shielding as such, but i can use the mechanism to experiment a little with different materials, as mentioned in the video, for example different coins or metals etc.
But the design is flawed in so much as i have been trying to replicate the torbay, so the thing was made with a replication of the torbay in mind. Trying to add shields at this point is not ideal.

I will construct another motor which i hope will address the shield problem much better. This time i have designed the motor with shields from the outset, thus it should not suffer like the one in the video with problems in attraction.

I am awaiting parts , but i will try building a 8 horizontal shields.( Useing mumetal hard disk drive shield) The magnets would be fixed into the base and the rotor magnets would have their flux directed down over the fixed stator magnets in the base board.  The shields attached to linear bearings would then slide in from the side , horizontally. Thus i hope that when a shield is not in use it would have no effect on the rotor, so the rotor maintains its torque..
We Shall see..

Craig

Quote from: specter on December 08, 2006, 07:18:41 AM
Quote from: Dingus Mungus on December 07, 2006, 02:47:50 AM
@craigy

I would avoid using aluminum as the shield material. I have been told that dragging a magnets field over aluminum will create eddy curents.

Dragging magnets over any metal with non-zero conductivity creates eddy currents in metal. This is one of the ways of shielding.
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