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Craigy

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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #510 on: November 13, 2006, 12:12:28 AM »
Hi Dani and all,

Thanks for your interest Dani, ( i have a video of the Takahaski principle on you tube, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1Z1THqv_G4 ) but that looks like a blatant copy of the Takahaski motor, i wonder what he's got the patent on, the digital encoder and timing used?

Anyway we are trying to replicate the torbay motor on this thread and that means we cannot  (unfortunately!) cheat by using an electro magnet.

The torbay works by creating a a gap in the field surrounding the rotor, the rotor moves towards that low field. The trick is getting the rotor to continuosly rotate by continually having the low field 10 -15 degrees in front of the rotor. Torbay used a ramp to push the stators back down but after trying that and getting no-where i have tried to think of other ways of achieving the samething.

Seesaw was the first idea, thus i am trying to use the energy that repells the stators up, to also push them down. i could add a total of 4, 2 on the top and another 2 on the bottom of the motor. Thus all 8 stator magnets would have that help.

Or

2 rotors, one on top of the other with the magnets on the rotor out of phase by 180 degrees one from the other, Thus when a stator is repelled upwards it forms part of the top rotor.

Still trying everything i can think of, but as i am a practical experimenter it takes time to knock the hardware up.

Craig

P.S. I have seen Bags of Magnet ( Neo) granuales on ebay, apparantly you can use them to mould you own magnet??


 

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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #511 on: November 13, 2006, 07:54:38 AM »
Craig, I'm quite pleased to see your impressive video library, and also that you had tried the see saw method. I believe there is great potential in that aproach. If the outer control arms were extended they would act like a lever. The longer the control arms are the less force required to manuver the magnets. The process is nine parts timing and one part finess. I know you'll find something one day, because your miniture replication prototypes are excellent in design. I may contact for some tips when I start work on my mini minota wheel. Good luck till next time.

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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #512 on: November 15, 2006, 11:08:47 PM »
Thanks Dingus,

I am experimenting with 2 rotors and a seesaw now, and it looks promising.

I am effectively trying to have 2 torbay rotors working within one ring of 8 stators. Thus the idea is that when the see saw is raised on one side it creates the gap to move the bottom rotor clockwise, and since the other side of the seesaw is down that creates the gap to move the top rotor clockwise. The other 6 stators are arranged so that their fields are equal on both top and bottom rotors.
I could have mounted the rotor magnets on just one rotor with half on one side and the other half of the magnets on the other side which i may yet have to make up. But in the photo i have the 2 180 degree segments on 2 separate rotors. This is ok for the time being and the rotor can be turned manually by raising one stator after another without the rotor getting stuck or finding a sticky spot, even with 5 stators up, lifting the sixth makes the rotor move. I will experiment with having the stators all able to move or 6 fixed to see what happens.

I have run out of 1/4 inch terminal block, and so has my hardware store! so there will be a small delay while i find some more to hold the magnets down on the second rotor which only has 9 magnets on it at present. On the bottom one i have managed to cram in 13 ( rotor dia 12 cm). Magnets are no longer angled to one side. That was only required when i had fewer magnets installed on the rotor.


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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #513 on: November 16, 2006, 09:26:57 PM »
looks good Craigy I started on mine today. Have the turntable ready and spinning nice and free. Luckily I work in a place that uses a lot of plastic so I can get as much as I need and weld it where needed too.  :)
pics on blog, below

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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #514 on: November 16, 2006, 09:31:50 PM »
Hi Craig and all the guys trying to crack the Torbay Motor
This is my first post to this forum you guys give me a lot of pleasure reading all the ideas and inovations you come up with to get a system that will finaly give free energy to a needy world.
I was born in the UK but I have been living in South Africa for the last 33 years and if ever there is a need for free energy then africa is defininatly the place that needs it.
Enough of my rambling the reason I am posting to the forum, I work in a machine shop where we use dial guages with a magnetic based stand, I hope you guys are familiar with it. The Base has a switch when that when turned on  sticks to the bed of the lathe with a strong force and when you flick the switch off it has no force at all.
I was thinking maybe you could use somthing like this on your design. I stripped one apart to see how it worked, the magnate is a round bar about 40 mm diameter by 50 mm long one side of the diameter is north and the other side is south and the switch just revolves the round bar to get the effect. If this is not relevent to your work here please forgive my intrusion and keep up the good work.
regards Barkeroo 

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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #515 on: November 19, 2006, 06:59:56 PM »
Hi Jason

Is your offer still up to convert the plans you have to DXF files, if so I will then try to convert to Gcode files and have a go a milling it out.

Regards

Sean.

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Hi Mani,

A few people have built partial prototypes and one person has claimed to have it working but we have yet to create a nice, public proof-of-concept design that works. I am still interested in doing a replication and would like to work with anyone who has access to CNC machines. I have an existing CAD model which I can easily modify to fit a number of standard magnet sizes that I have been looking at. If anyone is interested in seriously persuing this, I am ready to move forward.

God Bless,
Jason O

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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #516 on: November 20, 2006, 02:42:23 AM »
Does anyone here have an idea of how to use the Torbay concept in attraction mode as opposed to repulsion?  What do you guys think would make it work similarly?

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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #517 on: November 20, 2006, 06:51:35 AM »
Hi Craig and all the guys trying to crack the Torbay Motor
This is my first post to this forum you guys give me a lot of pleasure reading all the ideas and inovations you come up with to get a system that will finaly give free energy to a needy world.
I was born in the UK but I have been living in South Africa for the last 33 years and if ever there is a need for free energy then africa is defininatly the place that needs it.
Enough of my rambling the reason I am posting to the forum, I work in a machine shop where we use dial guages with a magnetic based stand, I hope you guys are familiar with it. The Base has a switch when that when turned on  sticks to the bed of the lathe with a strong force and when you flick the switch off it has no force at all.
I was thinking maybe you could use somthing like this on your design. I stripped one apart to see how it worked, the magnate is a round bar about 40 mm diameter by 50 mm long one side of the diameter is north and the other side is south and the switch just revolves the round bar to get the effect. If this is not relevent to your work here please forgive my intrusion and keep up the good work.
regards Barkeroo 

Hmmm this sounds quite interesting. I've never heard of that before. Could you take a picture of it or make a rough sketch showing how it works. It could be useful.

God Bless,
Jason O

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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #518 on: November 20, 2006, 07:13:52 AM »
Hi Jason

Is your offer still up to convert the plans you have to DXF files, if so I will then try to convert to Gcode files and have a go a milling it out.

Regards

Sean.

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Hi Mani,

A few people have built partial prototypes and one person has claimed to have it working but we have yet to create a nice, public proof-of-concept design that works. I am still interested in doing a replication and would like to work with anyone who has access to CNC machines. I have an existing CAD model which I can easily modify to fit a number of standard magnet sizes that I have been looking at. If anyone is interested in seriously persuing this, I am ready to move forward.

God Bless,
Jason O

Hi Sean,

I'd be happy to convert them for you. But I will need to know what size magnets you want to use so that I can scale the drawings to the right size. Especially for the rotor disk since I recommend using arc segment magnets to approximate the rotor rather than straight block magnets.

God Bless,
Jason O

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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #519 on: November 21, 2006, 07:15:55 PM »
Hi Jason

I can purchase the magnets to fit the design, if you have modelled it around certain magnets already.
If not I have 3/4 x 3/4 1/8 neo's that I use for alot of things.

Think the big challenge forst will be to convert it to Gcode to mill!

Regards

Sean.


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Hi Sean,

I'd be happy to convert them for you. But I will need to know what size magnets you want to use so that I can scale the drawings to the right size. Especially for the rotor disk since I recommend using arc segment magnets to approximate the rotor rather than straight block magnets.

God Bless,
Jason O

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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #520 on: November 23, 2006, 12:33:18 AM »
my attempt so far working in attraction the upside down ashtray is just for weight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCLRWbF935k
I really believe this has the capability to work.

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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #521 on: November 24, 2006, 12:17:39 AM »
Hi Shipto,

i saw you doing the "seesaw" motion on the video, and i now understand why i have been driving the wife nuts with the clunking sounds i produced while testing my torbay..LOL

Well the hard work starts here. I got to where you are a month ago and although i have everything in repulsion i don't think the differences will be much.  Since the force in repulsion is half that of attraction i was able to raise the stators easily with a small magnet, although much depends on the "angle of attack" of the stator magnets to the rotor magnets,

 i suppose that with the polarity reversed the problem will be reversed. not so much stopping them from bouncing up as getting them to move up and away from the attraction.

I am currently waiting on some more magnets and linear bearings, i will attempt to use the seesaw principle to move the rotor, the linear bearings will be used to recreate the steorn patent, maybe i can get this to configuration to move the rotor. (One rotor design)

As you may have seen in a previous post i have mounted 2 rotors ( one above the other) 180 degrees apart ( leaving small gap at crossover points)

Thus with 2 rotors and just 2 movable stators of the 8 i have noticed that very small movements of said stators is required to get rotation and we get double the torque. Thats why i have bought much wider magnets to replace my fixed stator magnets. The idea is that they act apon both rotors at the same time. In this way when one the stator goes up, it creates the gap in the field for the bottom rotor and the other side of seesaw going down creates the gap for the upper rotor.both actions produce clockwise rotation. It works well in my head and when done by hand,we will have to see if it works in practice.

Keep us informed of your efforts, everylittle helps!

Cheers

Craig



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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #522 on: November 24, 2006, 08:28:33 PM »
Well the wife has been ill so she's been sleeping it off while I have been clacking the thing.
I dont know if you caught my post on the other thread but I feel we are making these the wrong way round. There is going to be precious little power to lift/lower the stators as it is but we are trying to at least half that available power. My next experiment is going to be reversed.

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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #523 on: November 28, 2006, 12:53:39 AM »
Hi all,

This seems a more practical approch to getting a torbay to work, this is a crude video of me using shielding to move a torbay rotor. For the sceptics out there i understand that doing things with my hand is not ideal, but i have 4 one inch linear bearings on order from the states which i hope will prove beyond a resonable doubt that the idea is valid. Anyway, i hope this will create some interest, Enjoy!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OPedvvRr0M

Craigy


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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #524 on: November 28, 2006, 01:09:24 AM »
Looking good Craig,

I will be quite impressed if you manage to make it spin with stationary stators, but it won't be a torbay at that point. I guess you'll just have to name it if it works.

Thanks for all your hard work,
~Dingus