Author Topic: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2 (Read 314665 times)

mrd10 · « **Reply #450 on:** October 15, 2006, 03:20:52 AM »

Hi All,

I've posted my video on google video,http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=5291826833015915174 it's the one on post 87, you can d/l the vid from the google site by using this url:-
http://javimoya.com/blog/youtube_en.php, save it as avi and use vlc media player to play it.

Craigy, I was too thinking about the ramp, I'm on this part now, thinking about it more, I think walter may have used weights to assist the stator arms back down again, look at his video, youll notice that not all the wheels are touching the bottom of the ramp disc, they seem to clunk back down, which makes me think he is using garvity, (weight) to assist in getting them back down again.

Cheers,

Dom

Craigy · « **Reply #451 on:** October 15, 2006, 03:36:33 AM »

You may be right, his machine is certainly a monster, why on earth he didn't post more pics of the cd size machine is beyond me.
I really don't want to add weight if i can get away with it, on my machine so far the initial kick to get it going is nothing compared to the acceleration it gets after passing 2 magnets. i will try though, i will load my stators down with brass washers and see what that does..
I have noticed that the amount of kick up, is proportional to amount or initial rotary force. i.e. the bigger the swing on the stator being lifted, the bigger the initial kick, might need a few more magnets to lift the stator as it will be a lot heaver. Still lots of avenues to explore, not just ramp , very absorbing.

Cheers

Craig

mrd10 · « **Reply #452 on:** October 15, 2006, 03:57:31 AM »

Hi Craigy,

Weights is an option, another thing is that It may not have to travel too far up, just probably 5 mil might do the trick, so maybe using weights can be eliminated. He also uses a half circular magnet on the rotor, and the ends might have the oposite polarity, that is attraction, this is worth exploring as well, We will just keep at it, my minds been busy lately...lol

Dom

Craigy · « **Reply #453 on:** October 16, 2006, 01:15:35 AM »

Quote from: Jdo300 on October 15, 2006, 03:18:23 AM

Hi Craig,

I have an idea that might help you a lot, though it may intel a bit of redesigning of your prototype to some extent.

The orientation of the magnets on your rotor looks just like the Minato wheel in its design. If you check out http://www.fdp.nu, you can see that Mr. Minato used a large stator magnet to cause the rotor to rotate; but the interesting thing is that his rotor actually rotates in the opposite direction of yours! The problem with minuteÃ‚â€™s wheel is that the sticky spot is at the beginning of the track (back repulsion) that stops the wheel from going, but once the stator magnet is past that area, the wheel accelerates through the track, and at the end, it gets a shove away from the last magnet until it reaches the sticky spot again. But perhaps you could use that repulsive sticky spot to your advantage to life the stators in front of the track. And since the magnets are angled in the direction the wheel is rotating in, you won't have the problem you are having now with the field at the end of the track being too strong to allow the stator magnets to lower. But you will need to use stator magnets with a larger pole face though to accomplish this. The larger face will allow the stator magnet to smoothly glide over the track without getting stuck between the rotor magnets.

God Bless,
Jason O

Hi Jason, A very valid observation, It appears that i have created more problems for myself using my multiple magnet rotor approach, I am doing it this way because these are standard magnets that cost 10 euros off ebay and if, and when, this replication works it means that it will be easy for people to replicate as well. The Torbay information is open to speculation. Is it one magnet , is it four? Does it have a stronger face in one direction than another. We just don't know with any certainty. So with lots of unknowns i diecided to use multiple magnets which can be easily re-orrentated.

I have been working on the rotor all day today, i have concentrated on getting the stators down instead of torque. So now everything goes up and down as it should but now i haven't got the Torque ( half a turn at most) AAAAGGGh LOL. I will try something similar to the minato wheel and see if a inward curve of magnets will give the effect i want. thus at the bottom of the curve dropping the stators should be easier, as for the angles of the magnets their maximum force is at 45% off the face, but i will try the other way around just in case i have missed something,

Thanks for the observations

Craig

mrd10 · « **Reply #454 on:** October 16, 2006, 09:44:20 AM »

Hi Craigy,

Don't burn yourself out, pull back at times, have a break and think about what to do next.
I've taken another snap shot of what im going to do with the rollers ontop, im actually bringing them closer to the centre. Torbays design has his wheels ontop closer to the centre rather than out more, Ive also thought of another idea if the rollers i made dont work, good idea is using roller bearings instead, i.e 360 rotation but i guess they dont make them in brass, maybe stainless steel would do nicely, I have to check on that.

If you can bring your top rollers closer to the centre, it would make it alot easier to make top ramp disc, Im going to check on Torbays video again, because by right where the stator arm which gets lifted in video, there should be no ramp. The ramp should start where the first magnet gets pushed down, that should cause the rotor section to move forward.

Don't give up

Dom

mrd10 · « **Reply #455 on:** October 16, 2006, 10:44:02 AM »

Hi Craig,

Yep looks like i was right, check out the pic.

mrd10 · « **Reply #456 on:** October 16, 2006, 02:03:40 PM »

Hi All and Craig,

Just thinking about this again, if you put a weight exactly where the start of the ramp begins, this will have enough force to push the armature magnet down, this makes perfect sense, since its this part that would need the most force. This will probably be the case with mine and Craigs setup, Walter uses concave magnets and a what looks like half ring magnet, which may give different results, still once the weight has been introduced, the offbalance should provide the momentum we are looking for. Stay tuned for more updates.

Dom

Craigy · « **Reply #457 on:** October 17, 2006, 11:17:56 PM »

Hi all ,

re-reading the forum to see if i missed something , Mrd take a look at page 17, theres a nice pic of the rotor.

Craig

Craigy · « **Reply #458 on:** October 18, 2006, 04:21:48 PM »

Hi All,

My Stator mechanism weighs the grand total of 25 grams, Magnet, washer screw etc.

I placed a 1 kilo bag of sugar on top of the rotor, and guess what?

No change what so ever in the performance.......

So as Mrd has hinted, is this the secret of the torbay?

Can anyone work out the maths? ie what is the energy required to stop a flywheel of 1 kilo rotating at 1 metre per second, perhaps we have the ramp licked after all.

Craig

CLaNZeR · « **Reply #459 on:** October 18, 2006, 10:59:02 PM »

Just spent 2 hours reading this thread and would like to just say "Well Done Guys".

Look forward to seeing more and if it continues at this rate I will fire up my CNC and do some tests.

Meanwhile back to the basics this end of finding out how long these magnet pinch cuts all over my fingers take to heal!!!

Regards

Sean.

Jdo300 · « **Reply #460 on:** October 19, 2006, 05:55:23 PM »

Quote from: Craigy on October 18, 2006, 04:21:48 PM

Hi All,

My Stator mechanism weighs the grand total of 25 grams, Magnet, washer screw etc.

I placed a 1 kilo bag of sugar on top of the rotor, and guess what?

No change what so ever in the performance.......

So as Mrd has hinted, is this the secret of the torbay?

Can anyone work out the maths? ie what is the energy required to stop a flywheel of 1 kilo rotating at 1 metre per second, perhaps we have the ramp licked after all.

Craig

Hi Craig,

WOW thats interesting. I never would have thought that the magnets would have that kind of torque. But this will definitely work to your advantage. Please keep us posted on your progress; I am anxious to see where this could lead us

.

God Bless,
Jason O

kukulcangod · « **Reply #461 on:** October 19, 2006, 07:31:17 PM »

Craigy
I've watched your second video again and again .....I think you are missing the point where the patent states that 3 forces are applied against one, precisely the 3 magnets which are more difficult to put down are this forces!! the other one if the secuential lifting of the stator magnets , where the gap is created, where the stator falls over and over again , ala Einstein explainig how mass distorts space and time in proportion to the mass of and object, I think by the way that this is an interesting comparison.....and don't forget Bob Lazar's explanation about this same principle being used to forward and ufo, there's video about this in google.

The way I see it this are the ones to put down and probably not even by that much,again the ramp make this a gradual step.
For your particular design I think it should be mechanically actuated and not with another magnet to put down this stators
otherwise the interaction of magnetic fields would interfere each other.
In my case ,with my new set of magnets magnifying the strength of the field , make my top ramp go sideways getting stuck ,my setting wobbles in its axle that is ,this just to let you know all how important right rigging is, and the margin is only millimeters in my case is driving me nuts!!
So good luck hope you get it right.

mrd10 · « **Reply #462 on:** October 19, 2006, 08:15:25 PM »

Quote from: kukulcangod on October 19, 2006, 07:31:17 PM

Craigy
I've watched your second video again and again .....I think you are missing the point where the patent states that 3 forces are applied against one, precisely the 3 magnets which are more difficult to put down are this forces!! the other one if the secuential lifting of the stator magnets , where the gap is created, where the stator falls over and over again , ala Einstein explainig how mass distorts space and time in proportion to the mass of and object, I think by the way that this is an interesting comparison.....and don't forget Bob Lazar's explanation about this same principle being used to forward and ufo, there's video about this in google.

The way I see it this are the ones to put down and probably not even by that much,again the ramp make this a gradual step.
For your particular design I think it should be mechanically actuated and not with another magnet to put down this stators
otherwise the interaction of magnetic fields would interfere each other.
In my case ,with my new set of magnets magnifying the strength of the field , make my top ramp go sideways getting stuck ,my setting wobbles in its axle that is ,this just to let you know all how important right rigging is, and the margin is only millimeters in my case is driving me nuts!!
So good luck hope you get it right.

Your correct kukulcangod, this is all driven mechanically, i've looked at top disc again, in the wooden version, this is like a corkscrew, im building mine in same fashion.
what torbay has done is cut a circle, cut another circle in centre to fit it into rotor, then cut a slit in one end of that circle and bent it, so it would be easier to manipulate this way:-corkscrew, then he has put strip around this circle all way around, to maintain the corckscrew shape, but have it so it gradually picks up on the wheels on the armature magnets.
I have cut my own wheels using nylon cutting board, but these have square edges rather than round, im thinking of using large 'O' rings over these wheels, this is of course if i cant get ramp and wheel beneath to work properly as it is.

I'm upto final stage of building, I hope to have finished soon and hopefully working replica.

Keep up the good work, its the best way to learn...patience and you will find amazing things.....lol

Dom

Dellemann · « **Reply #463 on:** October 19, 2006, 10:27:34 PM »

hi Tom,
thanks for your trying to build it.
I had for month a contact with the inventor of a OU magnet motor (he says, that it works,but I don't see it)
He don't want to go public with his OU motor. Because he says it will come a World economy crash.

I show him the function of the torbay motor and the first what he said:
It can't work when the stator pull up and down with mechanical.
When it will work than only when the stator pull up and down with a magnet !

Mani

NerzhDishual · « **Reply #464 on:** October 19, 2006, 11:10:18 PM »

Hi very clever guys,

I had 'lost the topic' about Torbay mag. motor.
I was (sorrowfully) about to beleive that it was a fake.
According to the last posts in this thread, sounds like it were not...

@mrd10
Your replication sounds great and very promising.

Many thanks a lot

also for the url :
http://javimoya.com/blog/youtube_en.php
I was just wondering how I could download google vids.

Very Best

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