Author Topic: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2 (Read 314686 times)

kukulcangod · « **Reply #360 on:** July 27, 2006, 08:35:39 PM »

Delleman in my opinion, the wheel works better if lift up the magnet closer to the forward moving end of the rotor magnet, meaning it has to be placed one more space/magnet behind, is like a zipper action, or like a mower cuttin and flattening the jungle of magnetic lines leaving you a clear trial to walk free of obstacles,inmediately in front of you and automatically, I can avoid to also compare with a dunky following the carrot

, letting the half moon magnet "fall " into the gap pushed by the rejection of the other magnets which by the way are about 3 against one force, one being that empty space or lifted magnet ,as per the ramp has to be in equivalent place allowing space for the magnet to rise as well as living the one prior to this also up ,in a different degree of course but that will make that rotor move more freely ,at least for me it did worked that way, and fast......now when putting the top I realize the force was simply not enough ,assisted by hand showed that it wanted to move ,rotate, my design is not that stiff despite modifications , but I feel encouraged about it.Great drawing by the way, Cheers

Dellemann · « **Reply #361 on:** July 27, 2006, 10:38:08 PM »

Hi kukulcangod,
thanks for your info.
Is this now right ?

hartiberlin · « **Reply #362 on:** July 27, 2006, 10:41:19 PM »

Hi Delleman,
have a look at the 2 GIF animations
in:
www.overunity.com/torbay
directory.

It seems your right stators are too far away from the rotor and
one one stator at a time is only up and not more stators as in your case...

Dellemann · « **Reply #363 on:** July 27, 2006, 11:23:58 PM »

hi Stefan & thanks,
Then there is not a spiral ramp ?
But some pics on this tread shows them.
Than is this right ?

hartiberlin · « **Reply #364 on:** July 28, 2006, 12:30:35 AM »

Hi Delleman,
yes, now it seems to be correct.

What you have shown is the TOP VIEW.
Now if you add a SIDE VIEW you can add the topcap lid,
where the stators are holded down and only one stator is allowed
to move up via the ramp in the top lidcap.
Thanks for the drawing.

supersam · « **Reply #365 on:** July 29, 2006, 01:53:11 AM »

Has anyone taken a look at the Mikell device sight? It seems to me that the idea of a barber shop sign, made into a donut might serve the same purpose as the mechanism for raising and lowering the stators in the Torbay machine. If you made it all 3-d by making the outer ring a donut with magnets around it, would not this serve the same purpose as lifting the stators individualy and at the same time have the extra mass to help push them down?

supersam · « **Reply #366 on:** July 29, 2006, 02:06:37 AM »

it seems obvious that there is some kind of wave action in the lifting of the stators that is going to make this thing work or not. somebody out there has got to be able to figure this out. i haven't been able to yet. but i think somebody will if we keep trying. there are alot more people following the site than are contributing. maybe we should all start contributing instead of watching and humanity can benifit, instead of watching so we can make ourselves rich. think of the marketing opportunities alone! gosh 1% of that ought to do ya.

kukulcangod · « **Reply #367 on:** July 29, 2006, 06:13:49 PM »

Super..I saw the site about the Mikell device I think I understand what your idea is, The spiral geometry is excellent in this world for several aplications, but also the mechanism would have to be redesigned in order to move such donut, there's where I thim the problem will be if it absorbs to much energy.
About riches ,I'm curious , how do you thing money can be made with this invention?, I don't see anyone getting rich ,but I imagine every body getting the freedom they deserve in relation to our way of life, if the machine is not "regulated" by our goverments.
Anyway is good idea for making this device better, something to consider for the future, on the other hand in the website says that the Mikell device was a boy's dream, and that it doesn't work........again I think it would be brilliant to be able to adapt the donut into the design of the Torvay motor,Can you send a design a drawing sometimes many of us can't clearly fig out what others can, .Cheers

supersam · « **Reply #368 on:** July 29, 2006, 06:32:49 PM »

kukul,
thesite also says that it is now owned by the U.S.A. i wonder why? $:-\$

supersam · « **Reply #369 on:** July 29, 2006, 06:52:20 PM »

it seems to me that by using the donut you acomplish, not only the up and down of the toray devise but you also have an in and out movment of the magnetic field . this could have a dramatic effect on the amount of effort it takes to lower the stator. it also seems that the mass of the donut, once started in motion could impact this as well. i realise that it would take extra effort to get it going but if it is spinning then the mass would seem to help. i might be all wrong on this. after all i am certainly not an expert!

Dellemann · « **Reply #370 on:** July 31, 2006, 09:59:47 PM »

hello to all,

what do you think about the drawing ?
I maked the rotor N-pole more than 180? !
I think it is better and we get more power.

hartiberlin · « **Reply #371 on:** July 31, 2006, 10:05:27 PM »

@Dellemann
looks now very nice,
yes, this way it could probably work more powerful.

Jdo300 · « **Reply #372 on:** August 01, 2006, 08:46:48 AM »

Quote from: Dellemann on July 31, 2006, 09:59:47 PM

hello to all,

what do you think about the drawing ?
I maked the rotor N-pole more than 180? !
I think it is better and we get more power.

Hi Dellemann,

Very nice drawings :-). On the surface, it would seem like a great idea to simply extend the length of the rotor to get more torque, but actually. there is a limit to this torque, the longer the pole face of the magnet, the more the flux will tend to concentrate around the edges. The flux coming out of the radial rotor magnet will not distribute evenly around the circle, what you will end up seeing is that it will start to behave like a regular magnet with a rounded over pole rather than a magnet with a bloch wall that follows the curvature of the magnet. My personal belief in this case is that you will get more power out of a smaller length rotor than a longer because the flux is all concentrated in one general area. Plus, since we are all here to replicate the original design, It would be a good idea to stick to the original specifications before we try to start modifying/improving it.

God Bless,
Jason O

Dellemann · « **Reply #373 on:** August 03, 2006, 09:31:16 AM »

thanks Jason & Stefan !
Did somebody on this forum build a prototyp yet ?
How are the resutats ?

thanks,
Mani Dellemann

Jdo300 · « **Reply #374 on:** August 05, 2006, 06:54:56 AM »

Quote from: Dellemann on August 03, 2006, 09:31:16 AM

thanks Jason & Stefan !
Did somebody on this forum build a prototyp yet ?
How are the resutats ?

thanks,
Mani Dellemann

Hi Mani,

A few people have built partial prototypes and one person has claimed to have it working but we have yet to create a nice, public proof-of-concept design that works. I am still interested in doing a replication and would like to work with anyone who has access to CNC machines. I have an existing CAD model which I can easily modify to fit a number of standard magnet sizes that I have been looking at. If anyone is interested in seriously persuing this, I am ready to move forward.

God Bless,
Jason O

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