Author Topic: V Gate Wheel or the "SMOT wheel" (Read 26830 times)

Rapadura · « **on:** March 07, 2010, 10:49:33 PM »

Well, the last few weeks have been very busy for me here in overunity.com, but today is my last day of vacation, and tomorrow I go back to my job, so the time I can dedicate to the cause of overunity will be reduced considerably.

So, before it happens, I have to start a new thread about "V Gate Wheels" and my conclusions concerning this kind of "SMOT wheel", a thread in the correct place, that is here, in the "Magnet Motors" section.

For those not familiar with what would be a "V Gate wheel", the two videos below show two examples of working devices (with a little help from the human hand):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ux4qfizL0xg

and

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbj3rIFVb5w

Rapadura · « **Reply #1 on:** March 07, 2010, 10:51:05 PM »

As I posted in another thread, I have imagined an experiment to try to clarify some things about the "V gate wheel".

This experiment involves a large neodymium magnet attached to a spring that is fixed to a wall, a magnetic ball of neodymium and a inclined track.

The large magnet will atract the magnetic ball, accelerating the ball and making the ball go up on the track.

Here is a visualization of the system before we release the magnet that is attached to the spring under tension:

Rapadura · « **Reply #2 on:** March 07, 2010, 10:51:59 PM »

When the ball is half its way going up on the track, we release the large magnet, and the spring under severe tension will very quickly pull the large magnet to the wall, at a large distance from the track, so there will be no more attraction between the large magnet and the ball.

Even so, I imagine, the ball, that was accelerated already, will continue its way up, until the end of the track.

Rapadura · « **Reply #3 on:** March 07, 2010, 10:54:25 PM »

In the other thread i had asked two questions:

1) Will this really happen? When the magnet is quickly pulled back by the spring, the ball, that was already being accelerated, will continue its way up, and it can reach the end of the track? (My simulations on Algodoo software shows that yes, the ball will continue its way up);

2) If this happens, someone can imagine any relation between the magnetic force of attraction of the magnets and the force of the spring pulling the larger magnet to the wall? Or those are two separated systems?

Rapadura · « **Reply #4 on:** March 07, 2010, 10:57:43 PM »

As explained in the other thread, I had imagined this experiment because, in the "V gate wheel", apparently the attraction between the stator and the wheel at the moment when the stator begins to rise, lifted by human hand, don't cause deceleration in the wheel, maybe because of the angle of departure:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ux4qfizL0xg

Notice as the direction in which the stator departs from the wheel is the same direction of the rotation, it departs in a direction that favors the rotation, rather than undermine the rotation. The same principle of the experiment I imagined above: the departure of the larger magnet favours the upward movement of the ball, because of the angle of departure, the direction of the departure (same direction of the upward movement of the ball).

And this periodic "departure" is NOT the main thing that is causing the wheel to spin. The magnetic attraction between the stator and the magnets on the wheel along the REST of the rotation (let we say, 300 degrees of a 360 degrees rotation) is the main thing that is causing the acceleration of the wheel.

Rapadura · « **Reply #5 on:** March 07, 2010, 11:00:39 PM »

And now I have to repeat what I posted in the other thread again:

I think I discovered why the "V Gate Wheel" accelerates so well... In fact, I discovered that we don't really need any "V". Instead of "V Gate Wheel" it should be named "SMOT wheel". And i think I discovered the power of the "circular SMOT".

Dear friends, everyone knows the "secret" of any SMOT is that the "next magnet" is always stronger than the "previous magnet". This is the principle of SMOT. The first magnet is the weakest, and the last magnet is the strongest.

The "SMOT wheel" is not different. Well, the difference between a SMOT wheel and a linear wheel is that usually, in a linear SMOT, the SMOT itself is the "stator", and the ball is the "runner". In a "SMOT wheel", the SMOT is the rotor, and the ball (or cylinder) is the stator!

So, I discovered that, in a SMOT wheel, we don't need a V. We only need a gap, large enough to assure that, when our beloved stator approaches the wheel again, coming back from "exile", the "big bad" strongest magnet of the SMOT will be very far away, and the distance will make its attraction force towards the stator NOT be stronger than the attraction force of the WEAKEST magnet.

And I discovered a lot of other things that I will share with you in the image below. Please, analyse it carefully before start insulting me.

Rapadura · « **Reply #6 on:** March 07, 2010, 11:10:06 PM »

in short, what I mean is that everything in smot wheel plots for the acceleration of the wheel. It's a very promissing design.

There are many ideas about how to move the stator away from the wheel at the right moment (that is the moment when the last and strongest magnet is approaching), and move the stator back to the its original position at the right moment (that is the moment when the last and strongest magnet is far away enough to not make any "trouble", and the first and weakest magnet is approaching, restarting the acceleration process).

One of these ideas is the idea of using a cam.

Well, I hope someone take me seriously, and try to make experiments with the SMOT wheel soon, because I will only be in conditions to make my own experiments in late April.

Thanks.

Paul-R · « **Reply #7 on:** March 08, 2010, 05:39:31 PM »

Quote from: Rapadura on March 07, 2010, 10:49:33 PM

Well, the last few weeks have been very busy for me here in overunity.com, but today is my last day of vacation, and tomorrow I go back to my job, so the time I can dedicate to the cause of overunity will be reduced considerably.

So, before it happens, I have to start a new thread about "V Gate Wheels" and my conclusions concerning this kind of "SMOT wheel", a thread in the correct place, that is here, in the "Magnet Motors" section.

For those not familiar with what would be a "V Gate wheel", the two videos below show two examples of working devices (with a little help from the human hand):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ux4qfizL0xg

and

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbj3rIFVb5w

Looking at these videos, I would suggest that the motion of your hand is putting work into the system.

Rapadura · « **Reply #8 on:** March 08, 2010, 09:57:23 PM »

Quote from: Paul-R on March 08, 2010, 05:39:31 PM

Looking at these videos, I would suggest that the motion of your hand is putting work into the system.

Yes, Paul, the hands of those two different people who made those two different wheels is putting a little work into the system. But, as I tryed to explain above, this is not the main source of work. The main source is the acceleration caused by the attraction between the stator and the magnets along the wheel, going from the weakest to the strongest (as in any SMOT).

And the best thing is that, when the stator starts to go away, it don't decelerate the wheel, in fact, it gives a little more acceleration to a wheel that was already accelerated by the "SMOT".

Having the stator far away from the wheel at the exact moment when the strongest magnet is passing, and in the next one tenth of a second, when the "gap" is passing, is sufficient to avoid any sticky spot, any "gate", what means avoid any deceleration.

And is not absurd to imagine that a well constructed cam, that can make the stator be far away at that exact moment, with the less possible friction, may cause only a little deceleration in the wheel, a deceleration that is so small that the acceleration caused by the SMOT (what means "going from the weakest to the strongest magnet along the wheel") can easily compensate for that.

Someone gave the idea of having two stators, and just one cam, in such a away that, in the moment that one stator is in friction with the cam, the other is in the middle of the SMOT, helping accelerate the wheel.

Rapadura · « **Reply #9 on:** March 09, 2010, 01:58:31 AM »

The ugly animated GIF below (I tryed to do my best with Paint and GIF animator) is a demonstration of the principle of the SMOT wheel applied to a linear SMOT.

It's an attempt to show which is the principle of the SMOT wheel, if it wasn't a wheel, but a conventional linear SMOT.

Of course, for obvious reasons, the circular SMOT (SMOT wheel) has a lot of advantages over the linear SMOT.

Rapadura · « **Reply #10 on:** March 12, 2010, 10:38:32 PM »

It is very clear that a small movement to depart the stator a few centimeters can make we pass along the gate (sticky spot) easily, with zero deceleration, in fact, with positive acceleration. It's the death of the sticky spot.

What's missing for people to realize that moving the stator is a minimal problem? It is very clear in the videos that the task of move the stator requires very little energy. If you doubt, watch again:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ux4qfizL0xg

No one could make a wheel that size and with that weight spin so fast just by moving the hand a little bit like in this video. If it were a wheel with no magnets, and people try to make it rotate just moving a hand so little as in the video, the wheel won't accelerate so fast.

happyfunball · « **Reply #11 on:** March 13, 2010, 12:20:40 AM »

Quote from: Rapadura on March 12, 2010, 10:38:32 PM

It is very clear that a small movement to depart the stator a few centimeters can make we pass along the gate (sticky spot) easily, with zero deceleration, in fact, with positive acceleration. It's the death of the sticky spot.

What's missing for people to realize that moving the stator is a minimal problem? It is very clear in the videos that the task of move the stator requires very little energy. If you doubt, watch again:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ux4qfizL0xg

No one could make a wheel that size and with that weight spin so fast just by moving the hand a little bit like in this video. If it were a wheel with no magnets, and people try to make it rotate just moving a hand so little as in the video, the wheel won't accelerate so fast.

Surely you have a few bucks to buy a few magnets, make a simple v gate wheel, stick a little ramp on it, and discover that the v gate is a simple circular SMOT which follows the same rules as every other SMOT. The guy in the video figured this out after spending what looks like at least $1,000 on CNC.

Rapadura · « **Reply #12 on:** March 13, 2010, 02:08:08 AM »

Quote from: happyfunball on March 13, 2010, 12:20:40 AM

Surely you have a few bucks to buy a few magnets, make a simple v gate wheel, stick a little ramp on it, and discover that the v gate is a simple circular SMOT which follows the same rules as every other SMOT. The guy in the video figured this out after spending what looks like at least $1,000 on CNC.

The guy in the video was unlucky enough to have the unfortunate idea of seeking for electromagnets instead of thinking of using a cam.

I will certainly build my wheel, even if it means spending much of my wage. Right now I'm moving to a new apartment, and I can't spend so much. But you can be sure that as soon as I can, I will build the wheel and show that a circular SMOT is not the same as a linear SMOT, and the advantages over the linear SMOT are plentiful.

If people don't want to see the obvious truth that perpetual motion is possible, the only thing I can do is paciently wait until I have conditions to do it myself and show everyone this truth.

happyfunball · « **Reply #13 on:** March 13, 2010, 02:16:25 AM »

Quote from: Rapadura on March 13, 2010, 02:08:08 AM

The guy in the video was unlucky enough to have the unfortunate idea of seeking for electromagnets instead of thinking of using a cam.

I will certainly build my wheel, even if it means spending much of my wage. Right now I'm moving to a new apartment, and I can't spend so much. But you can be sure that as soon as I can, I will build the wheel and show that a circular SMOT is not the same as a linear SMOT, and the advantages over the linear SMOT are plentiful.

If people don't want to see the obvious truth that perpetual motion is possible, the only thing I can do is paciently wait until I have conditions to do it myself and show everyone this truth.

~ a dozen magnets, a wooden dowel, and a couple of small toy wheels = $10- $15 bucks tops. Go for it, Einstein.

Rapadura · « **Reply #14 on:** March 13, 2010, 02:27:29 AM »

Quote from: happyfunball on March 13, 2010, 02:16:25 AM

~ a dozen magnets, a wooden dowel, and a couple of small toy wheels = $10- $15 bucks tops. Go for it, Einstein.

It can cost $10- $15 in your country, not here in Brazil. Here I need to spend no less than 100 dollars.

Ah, and remember that Einstein was considered a bad student in school when he was child. I bet that many laughed at him the same way that you laugh at me now. But he who laughs last laughs best.

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