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Author Topic: Electrical igniter for gas engines A keystone to understanding by Magluvin  (Read 250620 times)

forest

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Magnet is another idea, extendin the basic IMHO.
for example : http://jnaudin.free.fr/2SGen/indexen.htm#hysteresis

Seems that adding a magnet to the core of coil in proper position will enlarge current generated when coil magnetic field is collapsing.


forest

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I have two ideas related to Tesla igniter patent :

1.  Capacitor can recharge very fast due to high self-induction coil having current flowing already in it so current not need be rised from zero volts to charge capcitor.

2. When capacitor discharges ,coil magnetic field also collapses from high -self induction coil and PUSHES electrons from capacitor so the RESULTING CURRENT IS LARGER, meaning a little bit more power.

forest

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The second point is interesting : if we have two coils and only one have magnetic field and we short them in series to the power source , does magnetic field BALANCE ITSELF  among those two coils  like electric current among two capacitors ?!!!

I think this is important!

Tito L. Oracion

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A few thoughts :
1. There are two switches there : when capacitor is charged IT IS DISCONNECTED from power source and connected to load.Unidirectional energy flow - not killing the dipole.It sounds strange but that assume that there is signal propagated back to source which drains it ??

2. When capacitor is connected to the battery it is charged  slowly through the diode.When capacitor is charged CURRENT STOPS FLOWING FROM POWER SOURCE.This is very interesting.

If we  add a coil in series to the led diode what will happen ?
I will test it surely, I will - IT IS SO INTERESTING (unfortunately I'm on trip now and cannot confirm that) - what I think will happens is that :

capacitor will charge , led light diminish , BUT ALSO COIL CREATE MAGNETIC FIELD
,and if I'm right that magnetic field will be FREE ENERGY but hard to tap :-(
Now when capacitor is shorted and discharging  , DOES IT MEAN ALSO COIL DISCHARGES ITS MAGNETIC FIELD INTO LOAD ? OR magnetic field from coil will collapse charging capacitor so the next time ONLY SMALL AMOUNT OF ENERGY WILL BE REQUIRED TO ADD CHARGE TO CAPACITOR FROM POWER SOURCE ?


Many questions ....


Can we add loop circuit around coil with a switch to short coil at proper moment to prevent dissipation of magnetic field ? we could then discharge capacitor into load and then collapse coil magnetic field into capacitor to see if there is any gain here...

Your getting good tarzan  ;D

Thats my boy  ;)

Your really thinking.   ;)

salute you  :-*

Try to remember one tip i gave you and that's it.  ;D

what tip? oh boy i forgot it. sorry  ;D ha!ha!ha! joke.  ;D

We don't actually needs an electron to charge a cap ok!
what we need is a faster separator of charge, then battery will replenished itself, though there's a slight lost but we can back trickle charge it to maintain its sleeping beauty. ha!ha!ha!ha!ha!  ;D
so that rincles will be in controlled.
always smile don't be very serious ok everything is under control ok.  ;D 

ramset

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Teets

Nice to see you around ,please no more "goodbyes".

Chet

Tito L. Oracion

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Teets

Nice to see you around ,please no more "goodbyes".

Chet

off course yes! if there is person that i have to return with, it is YOU!

oh boy we are now lovers Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha! lol  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D

Tito L. Oracion

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Goodbye Honey, i have to work and make money first ok  :-*

LOL hahahahahahahahahahahahha.
  ;D  ;D   ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D

Daddy will see you later. hahahahahahahahahahaha.

ramset

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Teets
You wild and Crazy guy!!
ITS GOOD TO LAUGH    :-* :-* :-*

CHET
PS
Yes go make some money !
And next time don't forget the "FLOWERS"

baroutologos

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Hey mags and all here.

Instead of theorizing i decided to use existing equipment and try the coil with a tail thing.

I have an air-coil of 380uH inductunce that wire is not isolated for tapping reasons. ;)
I tried the split capacitance balanced current scheme at first and later the usual one.

My power supply is one i assempled at Suturday with existing "junk" in my "office" since my automotive 40watts NST burned... :(

Anyway all components are adjustable as spark-gaps, power supply, load (lamps) capacitance and inductunce. See the attached tried schemes. no more than 2 hours experimenting instead of 10 weeks theorizing.

Setups are self-explained. No magic in that (at least as i made them anyway)

forest

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Theory is important. I want to understand everything before toying with Zeus lightning  ;D

I think we should concentrate here on understanding how to recharge capacitor at fast rate with using almost no electrons from battery. If we understood that all other tips are clear (extra coil attached to capacitor discharge closed path).
I still do not understand how coil is working, when it stored magnetic field and when it collapses it , in what direction, and where that magnetic energy comes out - from windings or MAYBE from CORE of coil ?

I would not be surprised if that small circuit based on Tesla igniter is actually the same (in internal working, not in plain embodiment) as Don Smith table top device charging large oil capacitor bank. Really, please trust my intuition  ::) - I had it always strong and in good direction but the huge amount of ideas deceive me from track too many times.

Maybe it's possible to mak a working prototype using just relay, capacitor, battery and a neon to indicate the rate of discharge of capacitor ?
I don't see why it wouldn't work with relay, even if we need to put it into oil to extend it's lifetime  :D

baroutologos

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I think we should concentrate here on understanding how to recharge  at fast rate with using almost no electrons from battery. If we understood that all other tips are clear (extra  attached to capacitor discharge closed path).

If you find the "electronless" capacitor charge scheme, please do tell me.. As far i know nobody, ever has managed that.
At best it has been reported that capacitors pulsed with high voltage develop an "electret" effect, but its output is sooo marginal that can be attributed to almost any other factor as dielectric properties etc.

forest

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Another idea related : Bearden degenerative semiconductor circuit.
If we consider relay solenoid then there is a time required to attract arm and make or break circuit, depending on magnetic field generated by flowing current through relay coil.
What if relay coil can create sufficient magnetic field to switch arm before electrons can reach capacitor terminals  ?

OR maybe this is solved another way : a charge pump. When capacitor is discharged there are the same amount of electrons in each capacitor plate, if coil magnetic field collapse can create excess of + polarity on one plate , then electrons from other plate will be attracted to that + one.

Do you have schematic of that circuit http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbtT_Lc2yXk&feature=related ?

baroutologos

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Another idea related : Bearden degenerative semiconductor circuit.

We had the same conversation in energeticforum.com. Eric Dollard has poped up there and classified Bearden-Bedini theories are "falsehoods" for the idiots! LOL http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/1631-peter-whatever-happened-eric-p-dollard-3.html#post90090

I tottaly agree with Eric.

...
Today it hit me regarding the Ozone patent and potential energy extraction from... ether!
See that link http://free-energy-info.co.uk/Chapt11.html
Imagine the ozone patent turned-upwards with its small fan pusing air, making ozone a a lot of ions and then collecting them under the influence of magnetic field.

We all know one spark-gap quenching method is air blowing ions away. How many of thems are anyway? Is there any potential in them?

This is a device by Tesla for us to play with and easy to assemble i guess.

Magluvin

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Wow. everyone was here yesterday.
I played a bit yesterday experimenting, but need a bit more time to fiddle for a vid.  I thought I would be able to crank out 2 or 3 vids but it didnt happen.

I have been on ebay also looking at HV caps, diodes and looking at scopes.

Mags

ramset

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Ahh yes a scope!

I found that my local school systems [university, college,  etc]are auctioning scopes off
for Zilch [along with everything else electronic]

Make some calls find these auctions in your area!

Chet