Author Topic: All of Stanley Meyer's Equipment FOUND Including Dune Buggy! (Videos Here) (Read 91068 times)

Cap-Z-ro · « **Reply #210 on:** August 26, 2014, 03:23:09 PM »

Chess, its quite obvious to you and me, and a number of others here, that anyone with their technical abilities would be putting that knowledge to good use...instead of spending countless hours trying to discredit everything and anyone.

The only conclusion left is that that is their job.

They try to present themselves as keenly analytical and logical, but when called on their behavior, all ther faux logic and common sense goes out the window...and you get the following:

The shill retreats to his position of making his baseless unproven claim that Meyers is a fraud right after I provided 2 classic examples of cabal manipulation of courts and witnesses.

He attempts to redefine 1 of those examples as "Trying to tie Stanley Meyer's bogus claims to conspiracy theories about 9/11."...while failing to come up with a false scenario to account for the remaining example.

And in his desperation, he reveals his cabal connections by discrediting all the legitimate structural engineers who came forward to to expose the official lie of 9/11, by offhandedly dismissing them as conspiracy theorists.

Where did his reasoned logic suddenly go ?

The answer is, he never had any to begin with, he's just an actor...and a bad one at that.

There hasn't yet appeared a shill that I couldn't break down to its essential elements.

Regards...

MarkE · « **Reply #211 on:** August 26, 2014, 03:32:22 PM »

Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on August 26, 2014, 03:23:09 PM

Chess, its quite obvious to you and me, and a number of others here, that anyone with their technical abilities would be putting that knowledge to good use...instead of spending countless hours trying to discredit everything and anyone.

Then your imagination could be less limited.

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The only conclusion left is that that is their job.

It is the conclusion that you have preconceived.

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They try to present themselves as keenly analytical and logical, but when called on their behavior, all ther faux logic and common sense goes out the window...and you get the following:

The shill retreats to his position of making his baseless unproven claim that Meyers is a fraud right after I provided 2 classic examples of cabal manipulation of courts and witnesses.

If B is a member of A, it does not mean that all A is B.

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He attempts to redefine 1 of those examples as "Trying to tie Stanley Meyer's bogus claims to conspiracy theories about 9/11."...while failing to come up with a false scenario to account for the remaining example.

You alleged two conspiracies and then attempt to boot strap one from the presumed existence of the other.

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And in his desperation, he reveals his cabal connections by discrediting all the legitimate structural engineers who came forward to to expose the official lie of 9/11, by offhandedly dismissing them as conspiracy theorists.

LOL, now you are just completely misrepresenting.

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Where did his reasoned logic suddenly go ?

It is still right here for all to see.

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The answer is, he never had any to begin with, he's just an actor...and a bad one at that.

Sure, there are monied interests who just quake in their boots about message boards.

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There hasn't yet appeared a shill that I couldn't break down to its essential elements.

At least that is what you say. I wonder if you have convinced even yourself.

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Regards...

Cap-Z-ro · « **Reply #212 on:** August 26, 2014, 06:13:57 PM »

Its too late for this shill folks, he already risen for the 9/11 bait trap I set for him.

He referenced 9/11 conspiracy theories, when we all know the only conspiracy lies with the perpetrators...the very same people who pay for his activities here - the cabal.

He can slice and dice all he wants...but, he's exposed himself once again, and there he sits, with all four limbs firmly embedded in the tar baby.

Regards...

celsus · « **Reply #213 on:** August 26, 2014, 06:27:05 PM »

Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on August 26, 2014, 06:13:57 PM

, when we all know

It might be a good idea if you speak for yourself only.

sparks · « **Reply #214 on:** August 26, 2014, 07:52:59 PM »

Look at the combustion process closely. Methane use is simple. ch4+O2 yields co2 and h20 . It is called a hydrogen bond replacement- producing excess thermal energy inside a closed vessel. It causes molecular motion. Obviously if we had a process on board that took carbon dioxide and water and produced methane and oxygen then shipped it over to the engine and ignited it the car wouldn't move. This is not what happens in an engine. The hydrogen combines with oxygen FROM THE ATMOSPHERE. The carbon combines with oxygen FROM THE ATMOSPHERE. The temperature rises and nitrogen and oxygen FROM THE ATMOSPHERE combine to form nitrates.. That is why Myer's buggy ran. That is why all engines run. They exploit the energy stored in the oxygen molecules FROM THE ATMOSPHERE. The engine simply increases the temperature of the fuel until the atmosphere burns. The gasoline engine causes a spark to cross a gap. All this bullshit about crazy temperatures. The uv from the spark gap is intense. Intense and at ionizing frequencies. This "ignites" the fuel heating process. The ionized and accelerated electrons cause secondary molecules ionization and hydrogen bonds are broken all over the mixture. This releases monatomic hydrogen-which forms hydrogen gas which captures ATMOSPHERIC oxygen to form water. Formation of water is exothermic last I knew. This heats up the fuel. Now it becomes easier and easier to thermally ionize molecules and cause exothermic reactions that will not occur at lower temperatures.

Cap-Z-ro · « **Reply #215 on:** August 26, 2014, 09:01:52 PM »

Quote from: celsus on August 26, 2014, 06:27:05 PM

It might be a good idea if you speak for yourself only.

Only a moron with 27 posts under his belt would enter a thread swinging a dead cat.

OR, this just another support shill showing up to act as a heat sink...and supporting the 'official 9/11 lie' no less.

I suspect the latter to be the case.

Regards...

MarkE · « **Reply #216 on:** August 26, 2014, 09:29:14 PM »

Quote from: sparks on August 26, 2014, 07:52:59 PM

Look at the combustion process closely. Methane use is simple. ch4+O2 yields co2 and h20 . It is called a hydrogen bond replacement- producing excess thermal energy inside a closed vessel. It causes molecular motion. Obviously if we had a process on board that took carbon dioxide and water and produced methane and oxygen then shipped it over to the engine and ignited it the car wouldn't move. This is not what happens in an engine. The hydrogen combines with oxygen FROM THE ATMOSPHERE. The carbon combines with oxygen FROM THE ATMOSPHERE. The temperature rises and nitrogen and oxygen FROM THE ATMOSPHERE combine to form nitrates.. That is why Myer's buggy ran. That is why all engines run. They exploit the energy stored in the oxygen molecules FROM THE ATMOSPHERE. The engine simply increases the temperature of the fuel until the atmosphere burns. The gasoline engine causes a spark to cross a gap. All this bullshit about crazy temperatures. The uv from the spark gap is intense. Intense and at ionizing frequencies. This "ignites" the fuel heating process. The ionized and accelerated electrons cause secondary molecules ionization and hydrogen bonds are broken all over the mixture. This releases monatomic hydrogen-which forms hydrogen gas which captures ATMOSPHERIC oxygen to form water. Formation of water is exothermic last I knew. This heats up the fuel. Now it becomes easier and easier to thermally ionize molecules and cause exothermic reactions that will not occur at lower temperatures.

The notion of producing liquid fuels from atmospheric CO₂ and water is alive and well. The US Navy in fact has an active program to convert atmospheric CO₂ and sea water to liquid fuels using power from nuclear reactors.

ICE and Diesel powered vehicles have lighter fuel tanks because they get their O₂ from the air. They don't have to carry the O₂ or other oxidizer around with them. In the case of electrolysis, the needed amount of oxygen is already part of each water molecule. Extra O₂ from the air doesn't help. The show stopper problem for water as fuel schemes is not the disadvantage of toting around oxygen that hydrocarbon burning engines take from the air. The show stopper is the lack of extractable chemical energy in water as it is the "ash" of the hydrogen and oxygen oxidation reduction reaction.

Rigel4 · « **Reply #217 on:** August 26, 2014, 11:57:10 PM »

Quote from: MarkE on August 26, 2014, 09:29:14 PM

The notion of producing liquid fuels from atmospheric CO₂ and water is alive and well. The US Navy in fact has an active program to convert atmospheric CO₂ and sea water to liquid fuels using power from nuclear reactors.

ICE and Diesel powered vehicles have lighter fuel tanks because they get their O₂ from the air. They don't have to carry the O₂ or other oxidizer around with them. In the case of electrolysis, the needed amount of oxygen is already part of each water molecule. Extra O₂ from the air doesn't help. The show stopper problem for water as fuel schemes is not the disadvantage of toting around oxygen that hydrocarbon burning engines take from the air. The show stopper is the lack of extractable chemical energy in water as it is the "ash" of the hydrogen and oxygen oxidation reduction reaction.

Well put. On a separate note. Why are we not working on something like SHT that uses a combination of methods both chemical and whatever catalyst/method is required, to create the fuel? Does it matter if it's partially a chemical reaction if it allows more production of gas? I know SHT has its own issues, but I do not understand how they can repeatedly claim such high rates of gas regardless of source. Could Myers have been using a hybrid system?

Rigel4 · « **Reply #218 on:** August 27, 2014, 12:06:41 AM »

Quote from: celsus on August 26, 2014, 06:27:05 PM

It might be a good idea if you speak for yourself only.

Hey you schrodinger's cat newbie. I only have 20 posts and I agree with you. We do not need ad-hominem attacks regardless of amount of posts.

Hold on I gotta check on my cat he's been sick lately.

MarkE · « **Reply #219 on:** August 27, 2014, 12:17:32 AM »

Quote from: Rigel4 on August 26, 2014, 11:57:10 PM

Well put. On a separate note. Why are we not working on something like SHT that uses a combination of methods both chemical and whatever catalyst/method is required, to create the fuel? Does it matter if it's partially a chemical reaction if it allows more production of gas? I know SHT has its own issues, but I do not understand how they can repeatedly claim such high rates of gas regardless of source. Could Myers have been using a hybrid system?

If only SHT could deliver on their 1kg of H₂ from 1kg of water claims. Unfortunately they can't. They get ~118g H₂ gas from 1kg of water like anyone else who uses a metal to reduce the water into a metal oxide and released H₂ gas.

The problem with Stan Meyer is a problem with lack of evidence for an extraordinary claim.

wattsup · « **Reply #220 on:** August 27, 2014, 01:26:38 AM »

@sparks

So you're back. hehehehehe

Where the hell have you been man.

I see you have not lost your touch. Always around to link relationships of effects.

Regarding the production of hydrogen via water, knowing what I know today, I am sure there is no bond breaking in the electrolysis process. The process does not effect the bonds, like microwave does not heat the plate, only the food. What it really does is it pulls on the nuclei of each atom and rips the bonds apart.

You see, in order for the hydrogen to remain as hydrogen once split apart, those bonds need to be intact otherwise you no longer have hydrogen but just produced another element, since the element is the total of nucleus plus bonds (what we today call electrons - bull but let's play the game by standard rules - hehehe). If you take this as a potential explanation, there might be an easy way to test this.

Just use one anode and cathode and set them as close together as possible. Run the system and see how much hydrogen is being produced. Then stop the system and add two Neo magnets, one on each side of the anode/cathode
with opposing polarities facing each other but with a spacer between to hold them apart. The Neos will add to the pull force of the pulsed anode/cathode and should this produce more hydrogen, this may be an indicator that the bonds (which should not be influenced by any pulsing energy) are not what is being pulled on but it is the nucleus that gets pulled away, thus pulling away the whole Atom. You may have to switch the polarities of the magnets as a third test to see if this also has any effect.

Anyways, just wanted to say hi.

wattsup

Cap-Z-ro · « **Reply #221 on:** August 27, 2014, 02:08:54 AM »

Quote from: Rigel4 on August 27, 2014, 12:06:41 AM

Hey you schrodinger's cat newbie. I only have 20 posts and I agree with you. We do not need ad-hominem attacks regardless of amount of posts. Hold on I gotta check on my cat he's been sick lately.

Well, what a surprise, yet another 'official 9/11 lie' supporter, and also another new account.

Coincidence ?

Or, yet another shill to replace the one I already burned up.

Again, the latter wood be the case.

Regards...

orbut 3000 · « **Reply #222 on:** August 27, 2014, 05:06:40 AM »

I find this 'shill' accusation based on post count a bit inconsistent because one can be accused to be a 'shill' based on a high post count as well as on a low post count.

SeaMonkey · « **Reply #223 on:** August 27, 2014, 06:20:38 AM »

Every 'Troll' has a beginning and does start his/her
career with a post count of '1.' It has always been
post content which establishes the identity of any
Troll. Some are more adept, more skillful, more
creative than others. Some are downright
entertaining. The internet has brought us many
very positive advancements and a less positive
multiplication of the Troll population. It is human
nature - whenever a group of people are engaged
in conversation it becomes a powerful magnet for
any prospective Troll who finds the situation
impossible to ignore.

In the meantime progress continues with the
discovery that Stan Meyer made in peaceful
quietude far removed from any distracting
drama.

To call it "Meyer Technology" is perhaps a
misnomer; Stan never did reveal the essential
details of the process in any of his writings,
presentations or patents, most likely because
he did not fully understand what was taking place.

That those details are lacking from his patents
is not uncommon; many patents convey the
general nature of the device without revealing
essential details. Unfortunately, too many
experimenters have missed the essence in trying
to duplicate what Stan described as he described
it.

MarkE · « **Reply #224 on:** August 27, 2014, 06:52:06 AM »

That's yet another appeal to supposed magic hidden behind a curtain.

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