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Author Topic: Joule Thief 101  (Read 947549 times)

Magluvin

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Re: Joule Thief 101
« Reply #885 on: March 13, 2016, 04:53:47 AM »
Hey Smoky
Started winding this thing and it hit me.  You said you spent time winding as neat as possible, something like that. Too many pages to go through. ::)
So I thought, each winding needs to be perfect in respect to neighboring wires so the capacitance is the same so all the loops are tuned to 1 freq?

Having a sloppy winding will cause different resonances within the winding and not have max effect at 1 freq.  So I presented 2 depictions of how I could wind it according to your advice. Which would you like me to do?  I only did 3 turns as an example.

Thanks

Mags

Magluvin

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Re: Joule Thief 101
« Reply #886 on: March 13, 2016, 04:56:18 AM »
Like should I force side by side alignment of the turns or let it follow the core being smaller diameter in the middle and larger outside diameter.

Mags

seychelles

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Re: Joule Thief 101
« Reply #887 on: March 13, 2016, 06:06:37 AM »
NOW YOU MUST SEE A TRANSFORMER..

tinman

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Re: Joule Thief 101
« Reply #888 on: March 13, 2016, 07:14:06 AM »
Brad:






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You have got to be absolutely out of your mind.  All this time you have been ragging me about the "secret" and it's bloody gravity.  Yet again, you are making a fool of yourself.

I am not kidding MH.
Please show us in your post(any of them) where the top speed was to be determined on a flat road.
Please show us where you posted !at what altitude! your speed test was to be done.
Another fail on your behalf MH,as you failed to include all the environmental conditions related to your determination test. Might as well leave out resistance when calculating P/in and P/out.

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Make a posting that says, "We need a new test for a car's top speed.  We need a level track, an uphill track, and a downhill track and we need to quote three top speeds for every new car."

Nope--just need all the relevant information in order for you determination to be correct,and then you would have covered all three above.
What you going to tell an uphill racer,when he asks what the top speed of your car is up a 30* incline?--I dont know,we only know flat road speed ::)

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Why don't you go join these two automotive forums:

http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/
http://ls1tech.com/forums/

Why dont you go and join,and explain to them (using your formula) how to determine the top speed of there car's,and see how you go with that.
How do you think top speeds of vehicles are determined at the end of the day MH--the accurate determination? .Just like the resonant frequency of the wine glass--they bloody measure it. There are no MH wonder solutions used to make the final determination of a vehicles top speed.

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Watch the posters there slice you to pieces and make mincemeat out of you and think that it is an early April Fool's joke.  You are unbelievable, or should I say beyond unbelievable.

So go ahead MH,go try your luck with your skill set,and see how you go.
Go give them your formula for top speed,and we'll see who is laughed out of the arena.

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More retarded nonsense.  A sewing machine is not designed to resonate.  If you hit some kind of resonant mode in a sewing machine something might start shaking too much and ruin the machine's ability to sew.  In other words, a sewing machine will not operate "better through resonance."  Any mechanical machine or system will have all sorts of resonant modes and by  design they are normally to be avoided or they are intentionally damped out.

Oh--nice back peddle there MH. You have gone from !no resonance! in a sewing machine (in your crazy attempt to eliminate resonant systems in an ICE) to nearly every device having resonant node's lol.

 
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Smoky2 even made reference to it.  I am pretty sure that he was talking about the mechanical resonant frequency of an entire engine block assembly.  The last thing you want to have is an engine revving at the fundamental resonant frequency of the engine block assembly because the thing might shake itself into destruction.

And so was born the counter balance shaft.

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I will call you out on this - you are completely full of shit.  You are showing your critical flaw

My only flaw so far in this thread,would be wasting my time continually putting a stop to your own bullshit MH--and i have done that ;)

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"Everything" I said?  All that you are doing is showing that when you are stressed from a debate is that you will lie through your teeth as it suits you.

Did you just call me a liar MH?
Show me these lie's MH.
You are a coward-there is no two ways about that.

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Therefore, when you get into this state, nobody should be surprised if you pick and choose when to lie to advance your cause.  You simply can't be trusted when you get into a heated debate, and for all practical intents and purposes you completely lose your decorum and become a temporary pathological liar.

There is no debate MH,as you have not put forward anything that relates to !what resonance is,or !how is the resonant frequency of a wine glass determined. Instead you play your silly little !4 to 8! weeks game--truly pathetic.
I am not going to call you a liar MH,as i think it is more a case of you just not knowing what the hell it is you are talking about.

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That has already been decided.

Lol--not yet--4 to 8 weeks :D

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Just read what I stated above and think about it a long hard time.

I am happy with what i know,and how i have learned what i know-->and that is why i can correct your mistakes all the time.
Just read that Mag's had to teach you some simple stuff on LED's as well ;)--at least you are still learning MH.

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There is no point in this kind of debate since you seem to lack common sense and you simply cannot be trusted like I sate above.

The debate issue again.
OK MH-how many times have i put forth answers to your question's?
And how many times have you put forward or presented a counter argument toward this !!!debate!!! you so much want?.--->Idiot.

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The only thing I am interested in is closing the loop on is the two questions about the resonating wine glass.

Grammar error ?-dose not seem to make sense. Is there a spare !is! in that sentence MH ?.
Your not interested in that at all,or you would have presented !your! answers in this !!DEBATE!!! long ago. What is very clear(to everyone here),is you are more interested in seeing how much of a disturbance you can make in this thread. Your continual !!failed!! efforts in dismissing resonant systems that increase efficiency's ,has be exposed.
You are only here to disrupt--and that is very clear.

I am not a liar MH-->you are a fraud.


Brad

tinman

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Re: Joule Thief 101
« Reply #889 on: March 13, 2016, 07:32:25 AM »
Brad wanted to scrap like a football hooligan and just this one time I decided to stand my ground.  That's what determined the direction of the thread.  The truth behind people's true character comes out in times like that.

So, time to move on and do your thing.

What i wanted to do MH,was expose you for who you really are--and that is a bullshit ex-spurt---ex being a !has been!,and a spurt being a !drip under pressure! .
In nearly every thread on this forum,if it dose not fit your !determination! of correctness,you just start your same old crap.
This was/is a good thread,and with good intention's. But here you are,once again, trying your best to dis inform people. Once again,you are trying to call! rubbish!--without having anything to contribute--4 to 8 weeks ::).

When you start saying crap like-there is no resonance at all-in any way,shape,or form,in an ICE that increases the efficiency of an ICE--then i am going to stop you in your tracks--stop your bullshit-->and thats what i did.
But you got your knickers in a twist,and for no other reason than it was me that corrected you--and you did not like that.

So yea--your right. When i seen you start with your incorrect babble,in an effort to turn people away from these experiment's,you got the big rugby tackle from me,and i put you on your ass.

So why dont you put your ass on a plane,and come and tell me face to face that i am a liar,in stead of hiding behind your keyboard--ya gutless little weasel.


Brad

tinman

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Re: Joule Thief 101
« Reply #890 on: March 13, 2016, 07:37:56 AM »
 author=sm0ky2 link=topic=8341.msg477158#msg477158 date=1457800303]





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apparently not, since after I posted nearly 4 pages about the physics concerning such event, I am still accused of
"not answering the two questions"......

We are all in the same boat smOKy.
No one is MH approved here.

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to begin I would cite all the works of Edwin Armstrong, and Nikola Tesla
after those who we first deny are forced to concede.
I shall send you to school for the remainder of the evening.

Is Nikola Tesla MH approved?
Maybe NT had it all screwed up as well.


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tinman

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Re: Joule Thief 101
« Reply #891 on: March 13, 2016, 07:42:54 AM »
If we go back to the mechanical example.
whether just a simple mechanical oscillator, operating at resonance,
or the large bridge that tears itself apart.....


Would this be a better scenario, than just letting the build-up energies go to waste?

If your answer be a yes or a no,
think about how this would apply to the electronic analogy.

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Suppose for an instant, we placed some sort of "dampeners" against these oscillations, to siphon off some of the built-up energies.
rather than creating situations that simply disrupt and dissipate it.

Indeed.
And this is what the high end ICEs do. They load the engine so as they do not self destruct-well in the older one's anyway. Now day's we have things like Rev limiters to stop over revving,and self destruction.

tinman

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Re: Joule Thief 101
« Reply #892 on: March 13, 2016, 07:57:03 AM »
Just a minor wine glass update: I am assuming that after the big reveal that there will be a lot of challenges, whining, moaning, complaining, resistance, disbelief and showboating.  The simple truth is that I did all of the "analysis" in my head - just in my head.  I didn't have do any Google searches or do any research at all - I just used my background and my wits.  Of course if I said that and just left it at that there would be no end to it, and it would devolve into more reams and reams of trash talk and drive Magluvin nuts.  So I did my Googling and after 20 minutes I have a bullet-proof backup for my upcoming reveal, and it is exactly like I knew it would be.  That will put a stop to the insanity and shut it down.

Well lets hope it work's out a little better that your !no resonance what so ever in an ICE! did. ;)

Resistance you say?
I seem to remember you laughing at me mentioning resistance as being one of the determining factors. I wonder what it is that causes the wine glass to ring down,and stop resonating when you give it one quick sharp tap with a fork or something similar.


Brad

seychelles

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Re: Joule Thief 101
« Reply #893 on: March 13, 2016, 08:10:16 AM »
I AM SORRY TINMAN I WILL NEED TO INVOKE MY MOTHER IN LAW PICS IF YOU TwO DO NOT MARRY AND MAKE UP..
« Last Edit: March 13, 2016, 10:43:26 AM by seychelles »

tinman

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Re: Joule Thief 101
« Reply #894 on: March 13, 2016, 12:52:01 PM »
Just a minor wine glass update:  I am assuming that after the big reveal that there will be a lot of challenges, whining, moaning, complaining, resistance, disbelief and showboating.  The simple truth is that I did all of the "analysis" in my head - just in my head.  I didn't have do any Google searches or do any research at all - I just used my background and my wits.  Of course if I said that and just left it at that there would be no end to it, and it would devolve into more reams and reams of trash talk and drive Magluvin nuts. So I did my Googling and after 20 minutes I have a bullet-proof backup for my upcoming reveal, and it is exactly like I knew it would be.  That will put a stop to the insanity and shut it down.

 :D

MileHigh

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Re: Joule Thief 101
« Reply #895 on: March 13, 2016, 04:25:25 PM »
Brad:

A while back you took on the strategy of "since he is telling me I am wrong about stuff, I will tell him he is wrong about everything and heap it on."  It's painful to watch.  The stuff about the car's top speed is ridiculous and painful to watch.  I brought up that to give you a simple analogy to show you that you could answer the question about determining the resonant frequency of the wine glass without measuring it (ridiculous) or having any specifics.  These are concepts that a 15-year-old will easily understand so why can't you?  The car speed and the wine glass resonant frequency are two examples of you disrupting the thread.  Both of them should not even be issues at all yet 10 or more pages have been devoted to these non issues.  You are making people cringe.

The big fat lie is to say, "Everything this !!teacher!! has said so far -in this thread alone,has been incorrect."  You are preposterous and there are other outright lies and I am sure many people have spotted them.  You have really dug yourself into a hole, your brain is frying.  You have been having one good long tantrum in this debate, and it's an ugly spectacle.  You are the main cause of the disturbance in this thread because I decided to treat you as a 100% normal person that had to understand normal things that other normal people understand.  Getting you to accept a question that a normal person would not have any issue with and not giving you a "special pass" led to you ranting and raving and disturbing the thread.

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When you start saying crap like-there is no resonance at all-in any way,shape,or form,in an ICE that increases the efficiency of an ICE--then i am going to stop you in your tracks--stop your bullshit-->and thats what i did.
But you got your knickers in a twist,and for no other reason than it was me that corrected you--and you did not like that.

That example is just you with an inability to express yourself properly, which is another major problem in this thread.  I get it now, an ICE can have Helmholtz resonators on the air intake and exhaust to improve the air flow into and out of the cylinder.  I get it, I learned something new, and I acknowledge it.  I never claimed to be an expert about car engines, and if you had just explained yourself properly it would never have been an issue in the first place.  It's not an issue anymore.  It's too bad that you can't do that.

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ya gutless little weasel

Look in the mirror and see Brad's brain fry and kiss my ass.  Pull yourself together and do some research and try to answer the two questions.  The answers are ridiculously simple.  The only thing I want to hear from you are answers to the two questions.  Anything else at this point would be useless and just disrupt the thread.

MileHigh

seychelles

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Re: Joule Thief 101
« Reply #896 on: March 13, 2016, 04:55:20 PM »
THAT IS IT YOU TWO I HAVE INVOKE MY MOTHER IN LAW..

ramset

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Re: Joule Thief 101
« Reply #897 on: March 13, 2016, 06:19:59 PM »
Hey
Screaming Fisherman
please remove this.... it has no place here !
EDIT
maybe Bill likes it ???
I see it passed his moderation below ?

classy place indeed !

« Last Edit: March 13, 2016, 08:31:46 PM by ramset »

Pirate88179

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Re: Joule Thief 101
« Reply #898 on: March 13, 2016, 06:20:12 PM »
Holy Crap!

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Re: Joule Thief 101
« Reply #899 on: March 13, 2016, 06:32:22 PM »
Only 5 min., Dutch 20 years guy, old and 2 times World-Champion,
look same driver fast driving on a 2- and on 4-stroke machine,
so good / nice to hear the different resonance's!

Begin is 4-stroke, and at 3 min comes the 2-stroke:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LU0aSrdyHnk

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Please: Lets talk about: 0.2-0.3 volts JT with a tor and a resonator!!!