Wattsup:

The "crap science" term is laughable, and obviously you are not just addressing me, but you are addressing a substantial number of people on the forum.  It makes no sense to dismiss science in the way you are doing.  Also, the majority of the electronics bench work done on the forum starts off using basic electronics as the starting point.  Those people want to understand and master basic electronics as part of their quest for the out of the ordinary.

Your strategy is to skip over the basic electronics and search for the out of the ordinary from the get-go.  And as a result, you look at the ordinary and see it as something out of the ordinary when presumably in all cases so far, that was incorrect.

How does a coil respond when you apply a voltage across its terminals?  The response of the coil will be a current flow, where the current flow is determined by integrating on the voltage with respect to time, and the magnitude of the current flow is also inversely proportional to the inductance.  This is what you and EMJunkie did not understand.  So the question you have to ask yourself is how come both yourself and EMJunkie did not understand this basic fact even though both of you had been on a bench for 10 years?  It because both of you seemingly skipped over learning the basic nuts and bolts about electronics.  It's like getting into a car and trying to drive without wanting to learn which pedal is for the gas and which pedal is for the breaks.

The moral of the story is to back up and make up for lost ground and start fresh and approach your research as a more informed person.

If you choose to dismiss what I am saying, so be it.

MileHigh

Here you go MH:

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/elastic

The stiffness of the nail precludes it from bending when I strike it with a hammer,, but it does not return the nail to its original shape when I bend it.

Resonance is a special condition that happens all over the universe

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resonance

Now there you go so that you can learn more about resonance.

Yes Webby, stiffness and elasticity are more or less synonyms, so why are you banging your head against the wall about this?

From your Wiki link, here is the critical phrase that applies to the wine glass:

"Resonance occurs when a system is able to store and easily transfer energy between two or more different storage modes (such as kinetic energy and potential energy in the case of a pendulum)."

And not a single person stated that in their responses to the questions.  I was watching carefully.  Go find an answer and prove me wrong if you don't believe me.

MileHigh

Under what circuit conditions and measurement points do you see this occurring?

Please illustrate:
a) frequency of operation
b) inductance and resistance of primary/secondary (50mH?)
c) measurement points and phase condition of scope channels and inversion settings.
d) output resistance of FG or signal driver (50 Ohm?)
e) secondary loading (if any)

The phase relationship between primary and secondary voltage is dependent on frequency, inductance, resistance, and coupling factor, so the above parameters are important in determining the phase.

Exactly.
It dose exist,and the phase relationship can be changed.
It is not a mythical creature as MH says,nor dose there need to be a difference in time for each cycle of each phase,only a difference between point arrival of each phase at a specific  point during each cycle ,where by phases cycle time is the same.


Brad

So, in a manner of speaking, in elecronics, resonance would be comparable to a battery or capacitor in that, you do not get out any more energy than was put into the system.  Would this be more or less correct?
 
I heard a guy on his youtube video "claim" that when he hits resonance in his circuit, that amps and volts go to infinity.  Now, I am not sure just how you could measure infinity amps or infinity volts...he was just using a DMM.
 
Bill

Resonance !can! increase a systems efficiency--this has been proven many times here on this thread now. In some cases,resonance can also decrease the efficiency of a system,and by researching what and where that !bad! resonance is,we can change things in that system that eliminates the !bad! resonance,and once again increase the efficiency of that system.

To make it clear--when i say increase  efficiency,i mean converting one energy source into a wanted second energy source,as we all know-no matter what,each system must run at 100% efficiency-->if we are to believe that energy can not be neither created nor destroyed-but only transformer from one form to another.

Brad

Exactly Webby.

Soft iron may have a high value of stiffness,but a very low value in elasticity.

As i stated in one of my replies to MH-long ago,the makeup of the glass(crystal)will determine the value of elasticity,and it is that value of elasticity that will determine the resonant frequency of the wine glass. Even with keeping to the same size and shape of wine glass,we can raise or lower the resonant frequency of that wine glass by changing the value of elasticity in the glass-change the type of glass used.

Brad

In ninth grade our science teacher told us that glass is a liquid.  He had shown us the glass panes in the window frames of our classroom and at the bottom the glass was thicker and a bit of a roll to it. It was an old school. Old enough to show over time that the glass affected by gravity will droop over time.

The effect is slower than molasses from the freezer.

Mags
 

Regarding the question about which wave form was the correct one, I'll go out on a limb and say neither one, because I'm pretty sure you inverted CH2 (the current channel), and I did not see mention of this. Therefore the wave forms could not appear as they do with the probe orientation as depicted.

If CH2 was not inverted, the primary current would be lagging the secondary voltage.

Really MH???  please show me where in stiffness the stiffness returns the system back to its original position or state.

No belief needed MH,, I know what I posted and I know you are incorrect.

So you do not want to worry about the exact term,,, why is it that when some other person uses the incorrect term you worry about it and go on and on until you get the term used that you think is correct?

Look MH,, you made an error and I am only pointing it out,, you may not like it but it is the truth.

If you pulled that quote from the link I provided then maybe you are on the path to increase your understanding.

Here is another for you

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synonym

http://www.synonym.com/synonyms/stiffness

Now look at the antonym,,

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/antonym   just in case you do not know what an antonym is

Webby, there are technical and lay definitions for stiffness and elasticity.  I put up a technical definition for stiffness and I am sticking to it.  Can we stop this frivolous debate?  When terms are critical or not all depends on the context.  Duh.

You did not post correct answers.  If you believe you did please link to it and I will have another look.

How about stopping the bad boy routine with the antonym crack?

If you pulled that quote from the link I provided then maybe you are on the path to increase your understanding.

You are catching a cold from someone.