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Author Topic: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze  (Read 12852051 times)

Offline itsu

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8550 on: November 10, 2011, 11:43:32 AM »

grizli

As i already said in my reply in post #8362,  page 558, my yoke also (ferro?) resonates at 5.7Mhz,
and not in the mentioned 1 - 2 Mhz range, so this is in line with your observations


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Another observation i make is that the resonance of the ferrite when measuring the 2 copper plates/strips/braid
is 5.785 Mhz in my case, so not in the 1 - 2 Mhz range mentioned.
I measured this with my scope and FG, the scope both in scope mode as well as in FTT (spectrum) mode.

Could be that my yoke from a recent computer monitor has different spec's, but when looking to the "spagep kontur.jpg"
scope shot in reply #8043 (page 537) i see a nice (resonance?) sine wave of 7.58Mhz when apparently driven by a
FG frequency of 1.660 Mhz (ramp wave).

To me this means that also here the ferrite resonance frequency is in the 5-7 Mhz range.

Again, looking at the above mentioned jpg, you can see this frequency on the scope shot:  7.58Mhz
So this means to me that also the Russian team is seeing a (ferro?) resonance of the yoke of 7.58 Mhz

For a solution for the 50 Hz input, you might want to take a look at the diagram in post #24 of this thread:
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/9781-tigers-device-0-150-1kwt-replicant.html

 
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8551 on: November 10, 2011, 11:55:14 AM »
i justm ade some experiments and 50 hz is TOTALLY USELESS

its short circuit for such coil ,,.
and it is impossible to get waveform on the output coil like they got...

:) I have mentioned before, a signal generator with a p-p some 10 or 20volts output, being connected at that 15turns coil to any type of ferrite, without any other addition or effect will give at best milivolts p-p scope shots at its ends.

The very effect that a coil like this in 50 Hz (agree with verpie) can have a voltage rise (simulating resonance) as Aidas shown around 130Volts p-p, demands a new physics book on its own.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8552 on: November 10, 2011, 11:55:57 AM »
@all: Let me put an important question: whether the ferrite core saturated by the HV impuse or not or just the operating point moved to the strongly nonlinear range on the BH curve?

Don't assume that the influence of the 1turn Transverse coil on the ferrite is conventional and only magnetic. 
The ferrite can also be responding to the E field developed between the parallel surfaces of the copper strips.
See the IEEE article by Konrad and Brudny on modulating the permability of ferrites with E-fields, that I had cited before.

Even if the effect is purely magnetic, it still can be unconventional because the Transverse Coil creates an H field vector that is perpendicular to the H field created by the 51turn Longitudinal Primary Coil.
Such orthogonal magnetic fields can cause the domains to rotate or even precess the ferrite's nuclei or align the electron spins, etc. 

In a conventionally AC pulsed toroid inductor a Longitudinal Coil magnetizes the ferrimagnetic core 1-dimensionally only along its circumference, thus the domains do not have the motivation to make a full 2D rotation and their movements resemble the back-and-forth rotary oscillation of clock's balance wheel. See:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6ZHDzCWBdA

However the 90deg. out of phase orthogonal magnetic fields, can cause bulk 2D domain rotation and the simultaneous E-field between the parallel copper strips that is perpendicular to both of these magnetic fields can create complex unconventional 3D EM effects.

Anyway, all of the theorizing as to the origin of the effect is not the focus of this thread.
Let's replicate the device first without distracting ourselves with naming the possible internal effects and theorizing about "how it works".
We should concentrate on the practical tuning instructions and building it exactly as the inventors did.
After we replicate the device, we can theorize to our heart's content how it works.
« Last Edit: November 10, 2011, 01:10:30 PM by verpies »

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8553 on: November 10, 2011, 12:24:03 PM »
I have mentioned before, a signal generator with a p-p some 10 or 20volts output, being connected at that 15turns coil to any type of ferrite, without any other addition or effect will give at best millivolts p-p scope shots at its ends.

Yes, you did. I missed it somehow.

BTW: I have some Metglas toroidal cores that have 500mH with 15 turns, so at 50Hz the impedance is pretty high and appreciable voltage develops across such coils.  This is easily explained by Metglas' very high permeability (published around 1 000 000)

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8554 on: November 10, 2011, 12:55:31 PM »
grizli

As i already said in my reply in post #8362,  page 558, my yoke also (ferro?) resonates at 5.7Mhz,
and not in the mentioned 1 - 2 Mhz range, so this is in line with your observations


Again, looking at the above mentioned jpg, you can see this frequency on the scope shot:  7.58Mhz
So this means to me that also the Russian team is seeing a (ferro?) resonance of the yoke of 7.58 Mhz

For a solution for the 50 Hz input, you might want to take a look at the diagram in post #24 of this thread:
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/9781-tigers-device-0-150-1kwt-replicant.html

 
Rgds Itsu

Can you put signals from ferrite , so I can see how your resonance looks like?

do you use noise generator ?

How can I know if that signal is actually ferroresonance ?

I used resistor instead light bulb

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8555 on: November 10, 2011, 12:57:01 PM »
:) I have mentioned before, a signal generator with a p-p some 10 or 20volts output, being connected at that 15turns coil to any type of ferrite, without any other addition or effect will give at best milivolts p-p scope shots at its ends.

The very effect that a coil like this in 50 Hz (agree with verpie) can have a voltage rise (simulating resonance) as Aidas shown around 130Volts p-p, demands a new physics book on its own.

I havent noticed such effect, and generatin such effect requires step by step instructions hmm

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8556 on: November 10, 2011, 01:03:02 PM »
s.

Anyway, all of the theorizing as to the origin of the effect is not the focus of this thread.
Let's replicate the device first without distracting ourselves with naming the possible internal effects and theorizing about "how it works".
We should concentrate on the practical tuning instructions and building it exactly as the inventors did.
After we replicate the device, we can theorize to our heart's content how it works.

TRied and failed,

Even spark gap I have used, with 50 hz with other wave types, etc, spark gap makes no increase in brightness at all ,..

Also, if we put some sginal to 15 turn  coil of lower frequency, that signal generates signal to 50 turn coil.. probably 50 turn coil require series capacitor to prevent signal generated from 15 turn coil be shortened by mosfet body diode of signal generator

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8558 on: November 10, 2011, 01:53:01 PM »
@ Grizly,
patience and we see

...
 
I was thinking that the team had a course so far. It firstly reported OU by having and running a flyback transformer by a custom inverter, collecting single wire via AV plug the HV to 6.8nf cap and discharging it via a spark gap to a primary winding. A parallel variable cap to the winding was also there for achieving many frequencies and tunning.

Power collection was on another winding no bifilar one as far i remember, again proceeding with a dioded cap, another spark gap and the load (lamp)
..

In that first instance, apart of the frequency sprectrum created by both spark gaps and the more specific frequencies attained by the variable capacitor, was there any shield perpedincular to windings? It has not been mentioned such thing.

see "sxema_rabociaja_darobotka" in the Lithouanian site. Although no explicit photos were given of that very first setup, i remember no shield to be mentioned, apart from the capacitative coupling between the primary and secondary winding due to HV created by the Flyback transformer. (hot lead to AV plug, cold one to output winding)

food for thought. Please any member of the TK replication team comment and give his view in terms of integrating all the observations so far.




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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8559 on: November 10, 2011, 02:09:54 PM »
@grizli

Good job.
This clearly is a negative result.  Negative results are very worthwhile, too. Scientific method requires falsifiability.

A low resistance, low inductance, 15turn coil driven by 50hz AC weak signal generator should develop negligible voltage across it according to conventional theory...and that's exactly what happens for you.

However, the inventors clearly demonstrate appreciable 50Hz amplitude in their video.
Unfortunately they do not show how the signal generators are connected and where the oscilloscope is hooked up.  It looks like they are measuring a LCR circuit with a high L/R constant (Tau)

The contrast is stark.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8560 on: November 10, 2011, 02:13:22 PM »
Yes, you did. I missed it somehow.

BTW: I have some Metglas toroidal cores that have 500mH with 15 turns, so at 50Hz the impedance is pretty high and appreciable voltage develops across such coils.  This is easily explained by Metglas' very high permeability (published around 1 000 000)

@verpies
Do you have the technical literature or the part number?

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« Reply #8561 on: November 10, 2011, 02:20:18 PM »

Grizli,

for the signals from my scope, see my video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4MDtrAh9Ag

I use a function generator, see the video.

The other coils on my ferrite resonate at:
L1 low   50 Hz  / 15 turns / 120 uH coil resonates at 1.55 Mhz
L1 high 382 Khz / 50 turns /  1 mH  coil resonates at 1.265 Mhz (so need to add capacitance (about 175 pF) to go to 382 Khz).
L2 output 150 turn bifilar / 13 mH  coil resonates at 105 Khz which is to low, so need to remove some turns to get to 382 Khz.

So the measured/seen 5.7 Mhz signal on the copperstrip MUST be from this strip / ferrite
 
I will try this 50 Hz input transformer/lamp thingy tonight.

Regards Itsu

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8562 on: November 10, 2011, 02:45:39 PM »
Please note that your copper strips are on the conical part of the ferrite.
The inventors of the device put the copper strips on the cylindrical part of the ferrite, where the strips can be parallel to each other. (slightly away from the edge, too)

I was actually going to be putting the copper strip on the cylindrical section of the ferrite; however, I went with the conical section because the surface area was much greater there.

Since  my device will be a little bit different now, I will be keeping this in mind during testing. If the effect is not there or if the effect is minute, I can easily get another ferrite yoke and put the copper strip onto the cylindrical part.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8564 on: November 10, 2011, 03:05:32 PM »
@ Grizly,
patience and we see

...
 
I was thinking that the team had a course so far. It firstly reported OU by having and running a flyback transformer by a custom inverter, collecting single wire via AV plug the HV to 6.8nf cap and discharging it via a spark gap to a primary winding. A parallel variable cap to the winding was also there for achieving many frequencies and tunning.

Power collection was on another winding no bifilar one as far i remember, again proceeding with a dioded cap, another spark gap and the load (lamp)
..

In that first instance, apart of the frequency sprectrum created by both spark gaps and the more specific frequencies attained by the variable capacitor, was there any shield perpedincular to windings? It has not been mentioned such thing.

see "sxema_rabociaja_darobotka" in the Lithouanian site. Although no explicit photos were given of that very first setup, i remember no shield to be mentioned, apart from the capacitative coupling between the primary and secondary winding due to HV created by the Flyback transformer. (hot lead to AV plug, cold one to output winding)

food for thought. Please any member of the TK replication team comment and give his view in terms of integrating all the observations so far.

This schematics is kind of confusing, can you please explain , i need your help :

bottom left transformer: DOES it have  ferrite core !!!!! or is it air core, is it cadecus coil ,any real image if this ?

why is Lamp connected to flyback tranformer ?




 

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