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Author Topic: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze  (Read 12852111 times)

Offline grizli

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8565 on: November 10, 2011, 03:07:35 PM »
@grizli

Good job.
This clearly is a negative result.  Negative results are very worthwhile, too. Scientific method requires falsifiability.

A low resistance, low inductance, 15turn coil driven by 50hz AC weak signal generator should develop negligible voltage across it according to conventional theory...and that's exactly what happens for you.

However, the inventors clearly demonstrate appreciable 50Hz amplitude in their video.
Unfortunately they do not show how the signal generators are connected and where the oscilloscope is hooked up.  It looks like they are measuring a LCR circuit with a high L/R constant (Tau)

The contrast is stark.

There is other possiblity : Bad measuring

I used 4046 signal generator, and no pro equipment like stivep
Also i dont have noise generator, I mannualy tune frequecy and watch  output

What RLC constant ? of what ? there is no C to make 50 hz Lc osccillate
 that would be huge C
hmm




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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8566 on: November 10, 2011, 03:12:34 PM »
Grizli,

for the signals from my scope, see my video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4MDtrAh9Ag

I use a function generator, see the video.

The other coils on my ferrite resonate at:
L1 low   50 Hz  / 15 turns / 120 uH coil resonates at 1.55 Mhz
L1 high 382 Khz / 50 turns /  1 mH  coil resonates at 1.265 Mhz (so need to add capacitance (about 175 pF) to go to 382 Khz).
L2 output 150 turn bifilar / 13 mH  coil resonates at 105 Khz which is to low, so need to remove some turns to get to 382 Khz.

So the measured/seen 5.7 Mhz signal on the copperstrip MUST be from this strip / ferrite
 
I will try this 50 Hz input transformer/lamp thingy tonight.

Regards Itsu

Strip can self ressonate at 5,7 Mhz ?

I got similar results 1,7 Mhz for 51 turn core
and about 200 khz for bifilar
« Last Edit: November 10, 2011, 03:36:55 PM by grizli »

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8567 on: November 10, 2011, 03:48:54 PM »

Grizli,

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Strip can self resonate at 5,7 Mhz ?

I doubt it, a strip of this length will/should resonate in the high hundreds Mhz or even in the Ghz range.

Itsu

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8568 on: November 10, 2011, 04:01:21 PM »
Grizli,

I doubt it, a strip of this length will/should resonate in the high hundreds Mhz or even in the Ghz range.

Itsu

there is ferrite inside

also there is capacitive cupling betwwen signal generator coil and strip

how you got so clean sine at the strip? I get sine + 25 mhz bursts

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8569 on: November 10, 2011, 04:15:57 PM »
What RLC constant ? of what ? there is no C to make 50 hz Lc oscillate.
That would be huge C

Of course there isn't any large C, only some picofarad inter-winding capacitance.
Together with the inductance of the coil the capacitance forms a parallel LC circuit, and with the wire resistance and any externally added resistances, any real coil becomes an RLC circuit.

The impedance of this RLC circuit is dependent the R, L, C which are the constants and variable frequency f.

Because the capacitance is so small then in order for the impedance (and thus the voltage across the coil) to be large, the inductance needs to be large, too.
Inductance is proportional to the permeability of the core, so my guess is that the HF waveforms somehow "soften" the ferrite and significantly increase its permeability.

Now, you can't measure much because your impedance is very low (essentially a short circuit).

The impedance of the device (RLC circuit) can be calculated by applying a sinusoidal voltage to the device in series with a resistor, and measuring the voltage across the resistor and across the device. Performing this measurement by sweeping the frequencies of the applied signal provides the impedance phase and magnitude.

« Last Edit: November 10, 2011, 06:35:08 PM by verpies »

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8570 on: November 10, 2011, 04:26:55 PM »
new "staff" is on its way..."to destination"  English  version  will be added soon
What is important that all of the steps are explained on practical tuning.
This  is not for entertainment if  there will be no problem with close to 2 hours length than it will become available without any problems.  If not it should be cut into the pieces and "destinated" that would be another 8 hours away.
conversations and comments are important  there.
Computer driven  spectrum analyzer and oscilloscope was driven at the same time from two different locations.So two people could make their adjustments.
One from England the other  from the place of experiment.

Wesley
Ps: dedicated only to practitioners for others might be boring
Independently  second one ("staff") is already ready from
Antanas FreeEnergyInfo but again in Russian.
we  prepared our self to launch the "missile" from multiple  locations if needed.


OK video is available at:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPHufWOossI
for those who understand Russian
Listen to conversation of
Aidas
Arunas
Wesley
Antanas who was recording video from FreeEnergyInfo


We are working on improving pixelation so the next one  will show better details and more valuable data.
« Last Edit: November 10, 2011, 06:30:32 PM by stivep »

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8571 on: November 10, 2011, 06:49:14 PM »
Stivep:
I would appreciate that you answer some of important  questions arisen here on the forum , especially about how can core work at 50 Hz which makes  very low impedance to that signal.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8572 on: November 10, 2011, 07:02:43 PM »
Stivep:
I would appreciate that you answer some of important  questions arisen here on the forum , especially about how can core work at 50 Hz which makes  very low impedance to that signal.
the answer is on the video..
Problems with quality pixelation we will try to solve in English version
of it (in progress)

Wesley

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8573 on: November 10, 2011, 07:11:22 PM »
the answer is on the video..
Problems with quality pixelation we will try to solve in English version
of it (in progress)

Unfortunately the video shows the measurements but does not show what is measured.
How is the signal generator and the ch1/ch2 oscilloscope connected?

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8574 on: November 10, 2011, 07:17:34 PM »
Once the user Osiakosia measures the resistance and inductance/permeability of the original ferrite, you will be able to see how similar your ferrite is to the original.

If these differences are not great and no other hidden properties determine the suitability of the original ferrite, then yours just might work.

Because your ferrite is larger than the original and most likely has higher permeability, expect lower LC resonance frequencies (lower is easier to work with)
Here is the measurement of Yoke inductance . Winding is made with 18 AWG wire ( 1 mm*2 ) .
Tomorrow  i will try to connect
a osciloscope to measure histeresis loop .

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8576 on: November 10, 2011, 07:58:28 PM »
NEW schem....
http://freeenergylt.narod2.ru/aidas/Aidas_SHEMATIC.jpg

The input side of the HV flyback transformer is missing from this schematic in 1st method of Transverse Coil (copper plates) configuration.

The capacitor is missing in the 2nd method of the Transverse Coil (copper plates) configuration (the method without the HV flyback transformer).

Also, no 1turn synchronization windings are shown, that Wesley was writing about.

Finally, the schematic does not show where the CH1/CH2 of the oscilloscope are connected to, thus we cannot understand what is measured on the recent videos.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8577 on: November 10, 2011, 08:02:46 PM »
Here is the measurement of Yoke inductance . Winding is made with 18 AWG wire ( 1 mm*2 ) .

Hmm, 118turns with such large crossectional core area and only 8mH of inductance.
I would estimate (not calculate) low relative permeability, approximately 200.

Anyway, good job Osiakosia.
« Last Edit: November 10, 2011, 09:10:44 PM by verpies »

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« Reply #8578 on: November 10, 2011, 08:13:43 PM »
Hmm, 122turns with such large crossectional core area and only 8mH of inductance.
I would estimate (not calculate) low relative permeability, approximately 200.

Anyway, good job Osiakosia.
Dear colleagues ,
I have find technical documentation for OC-90.38ПЦ12 from
Government Unitary Enterprise of the Republic of Tatarstan
"Tatarstan Scientific and technical information center".
Name of document :
ТУ 11-БХ0.475.047ТУ-80 (Система отклоняющая ОС-90.38ПЦ12) .
( document in russian language . This is SSSR standart document ) .
 But  cost is little to high 4000 rubles . About 140 Eu . If someone can help me financialy to do this project ( 30 Eu from me ) we will knew more about this ferite core .
 Who know russian can visit page:   http://www.tcnti.ru/shop/buy/
to order that documentation .

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8579 on: November 10, 2011, 08:19:05 PM »
Unfortunately the video shows the measurements but does not show what is measured.
How is the signal generator and the ch1/ch2 oscilloscope connected?

No everything is explained  with voice but I do not have it ready in english as of yet

Wesley

 

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