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### Author Topic: Self-moving hoop...  (Read 7650 times)

#### Low-Q

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##### Re: Self-moving hoop...
« Reply #15 on: May 17, 2009, 11:12:08 PM »
Hi Vidar!

If so (the integral loop in a potential field is null and void),they missed the inertial effects:the "resistive underworld" ,that's inertia.

Again,we have here two possibilities:

-if the "h" interdiction (that takes into account the gravity,only..) is correct,a reasonable person will close the "PM dream shop"...it's simply a waste of time.

-it the "h" interdiction is an ideative misconception,we have the chance of experiments..to help the evolution of the old theory.

By the way: a wheel has many spokes,a hoop only two.

A wheel becomes "frozen" in this specific accelerating gravity flow:it acts as a comparative,weighting machine,nothing more.

A hoop,lever can take advantage for a longer fall...so to store and use it later...here,it's a big difference.

All the Bests! / Alex
But still the weights in a hoop is limited within a given mechanical length or radius, that determine how high or how low the weight can go. So where one weight applies energy, another weight will take the very same energy back - OR the same weight will later take back what it supplied earlier. These mechanisms is applied to all weights that is working on any gravitywheel regardless of construction. Gravity is just so damn conservative, and most of us does not see the whole picture - hence many discussions, verbal fights, and lots of pain. So, yes, the PM dream shop is a waste of time. It's better to use the energy that is already supplied by the sun. It will cause less pain, more energy, and shorter discussions

I sometimes wonder what I am doing in this forum

Vidar

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##### Re: Self-moving hoop...
« Reply #15 on: May 17, 2009, 11:12:08 PM »

#### iacob alex

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##### Re: Self-moving hoop...
« Reply #16 on: May 18, 2009, 01:52:53 AM »

Hi Vidar!

As we say in Europe :"parole,parole...",nothing interesting than a plenty of words.

The person that will have the curiosity to test my proposed designs,and will find a single one working model,has the chance to take "everything on the table"...this is rule of this many hundred years "lottery".

Energy and transport,in my opinion have a common root symbol:pendulum,a mass that engages inertia.

Really,I am interested for the next step,the inertial/pendular propulsion,as I said some times ago (1999) on my web page.

Regarding this viewpoint,I made some proposal already,but it seems that the "quarrel" is too much noisy for me...

Anyway,I can go away from these topics ,with a personal thinking...

All the Bests! / Alex

#### iacob alex

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##### Re: Self-moving hoop...
« Reply #17 on: May 24, 2009, 09:02:42 AM »

...can be seen as a "relative" to the well known "cart and pole" robotic problem,a classic lab-demo in dynamics.

This time,the cart becomes a single wheel,and the  inverted pendulum becomes "free" to use gravity and rotational inertia...without any restriction.

All the "control theory" comes to be,a simple connecting rod ...

All the Bests! / Alex

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##### Re: Self-moving hoop...
« Reply #17 on: May 24, 2009, 09:02:42 AM »

#### iacob alex

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##### Re: Self-moving hoop...
« Reply #18 on: May 25, 2009, 06:57:51 AM »

...is designed as a concise simulation of the walking and running gaits,as exemples of the human movement.

Here,maybe we can find a common starting point for energy/gravity powered device  and transport /inertial(pendular) propulsion.

Usually,the walking sequence is simplified to the motion of an inverted pendulum,and the main problem is to keep stability...

Contrary,for a self-moving hoop,seen as an inverted pendulum,the main question ,is the endless instability...the oscillating "cart and pole" problem changes into a tumbling "pole" puzzle.

All the Bests! / Alex

#### iacob alex

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##### Re: Self-moving hoop...
« Reply #19 on: July 11, 2009, 04:40:11 AM »

...takes advantage of the Milkovic's "superiority of pendulum drive",you can watch at :   www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuTMYgQDUzs

It's a fresh movie in my e-box from Veljko...about a cart with a pendulum,he has in view to use for pendular propulsion,I guess...

Here,Milkovic shows that a pendular fall vs. a vertical fall,of the same mass,between the same gravitational levels,develops more kinetic power.

So,a pendular fall can supply a vertical jump up,so to close the loop ...and take out some power?!

All the Best! / Alex

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##### Re: Self-moving hoop...
« Reply #19 on: July 11, 2009, 04:40:11 AM »