The problem with Meyer

This post will no doubt be considered somewhat controversial, but it should not necessarily be regarded as negative. The purpose of this post is to highlight the often ignored or over-looked problems with Meyer and the Meyer information, and to openly portray my personal thoughts on the subject, in order to get people actually THINKING. I’m not inclined to post idle, ill-considered or thoughtless rubbish, so please bear with me.

Some years ago I remember getting a copy of Meyer’s technical brief:

The Birth of New Technology
WATER FUEL CELL
HYDROGEN FRACTURING PROCESS

Having a keen interest in this subject, as well as being very practically minded and hands-on, I remember being very excited by the prospects of learning the secrets to his WFC from the 100 or so pages.  Unfortunately, I also remember only being a few pages into it before I found obvious flaws in the science and electronics - indeed my suspicions were raised from the very first page.  I nevertheless continued to read, noting the many and varied problems as I went.

After reading Meyer’s technical brief, I was left with many more questions than answers.  Something was not right. Apart from the science described often being blatantly wrong, there were clearly pages of meaningless gobbledegook and invented words and terminology.  To my dismay, I realised there was nothing in the brief that could be confidently relied on as being accurate or indeed factual.  To me at least, it became quite clear that the author himself had very little understanding of science or electronics.  Not only was I disappointed by this, but this very fact in itself brought up the most important question of them all: Was Meyer simply a fraudster?

To be honest, after reading the Meyer technical brief, with all its pseudo-science and mumbo-jumbo, I started to feel that the whole thing was a big scam.  It was then brought to my attention that if the brief was copied using writing recognition software that, inconsistencies might be due to how it was copied. OK fair enough.

Sometime shortly after an Aussie, and ardent Meyer supporter (Murray, who now runs the Water Fuel Cell website) kindly sent me copies of the Meyer lecture videos. However, these videos did nothing for my confidence in Meyer, as his lecture (seemingly to a handful of non-intellects in a garage) was as consistently flawed as his technical briefs.  He talked and I listened, but nothing made any particular sense – it was all pseudo-science and pseudo-technical babble that, while sounding very impressive to the layman, actually meant nothing in any scientific terms. Excuses and explanations were running out - watching the Meyer videos my doubts and concerns were confirmed by Meyer himself.

To my mind there are only a few possible explanations:

1. Meyer discovered how to build a very efficient WFC, but did not have the background to understand the science behind it.
2. Meyer thought he was onto something with the WFC, acquiring funding before he had actually built a working WFC – thereby digging himself into a hole he was unable to ever get out of.
3. Meyer was a scammer and the whole thing was fraudulent from the start.

One of the above is likely very close to the mark, and with all of the relevant information available, no one should have to jump to any immediate or knee-jerk conclusions.  Of course, for those people that have no formal background education in science or electronics – those people without the education to see the flaws - then much of the information available is meaningless and blind faith and ignorance often wins the day.  Hence we get that set of Meyer groupies and fanatics who stand by Meyer’s every word, blindly following his lead without question... yet, curiously never actually being able to replicate Meyers process.

Some intelligent people will tell you that the only thing Meyer ever separated with any great efficiency was, ‘the ignorant and uninformed from their money’.  However, die-hard Meyer fans will not let mere ‘science or reality’ impose on their fantasies; they endeavour to remain uneducated - protectively cloaking themselves in ‘stupidity and blissful ignorance’.  This point is made clearly evident from the meaningless nonsense continually posted by several members of this forum

As a reasonably intelligent man, I would assume that Meyer surely knew that the only people he could fool with his pseudo-science would be the layman.  One would have thought that he must have known that none of what he said or wrote would stand up to any real scientific scrutiny, if not, this rather suggests more than a little naivety on his part.

In fact, if you watch the Meyer Introductory video here (top left – link below), you will see how scientists themselves were troubled by Meyer’s interpretation of the science.   This first video, not only depicts a Meyer WFC on a bench, reportedly producing as much as 1700x more gas than standard electrolysis, but also running cool and at just 500mA.  The video then goes on to show that Meyer’s Dune Buggy was using special water splitting injectors, this technology being a further advancement from the WFC depicted earlier on his work bench.

http://waterfuelcell.org/phpBB2/

So where does this leave us?

Well it doesn’t necessarily mean that Meyer was a fraud, it doesn’t necessarily mean that Meyer had not discovered a way to vastly improve the efficiency of dissociating water. However, what I am inclined to believe is that the Meyer technical briefs and patents have no bearing on real science and should be taken with a pinch of salt. Hence, Meyer information cannot in truth be relied on in any shape or form when attempting to replicate a Meyer-type WFC.  The clues are there, but not much more.  Trying to understand Meyer’s interpretation of the science is where the real problems start.

Be assured that this post is in no way intended to dissuade people from researching or experimenting in this subject area. On the contrary, I am simply attempting to highlight how foolish it would be to accept without question anything written or said by Meyer as being gospel.  To simply overlook all the blatant technical flaws would be foolhardy in the extreme. Sometimes it is necessary to actively point out what is wrong - to see the nonsense for what it is - before you can move forward. If you are educated in this science then you will understand what I’m talking about, if you think that I’m simply out to cause trouble and dishonour Meyer’s name, then you need to get an education.  Use your brain, learn up on the subject, apply common sense, and above all ‘think’ for yourself!

These are of course only my personal thoughts and observations; that said, they are the thoughts and observations of a relatively well educated, and intelligent human being with an above average IQ and more than my fair share of common sense.

So, I would suggest that instead of trying to faithfully replicate a WFC from somewhat dubious Meyer patents, you instead try to focus your mind on understanding what needs to be done in order to achieve a desired result. Once you understand what you are trying to achieve, then you can go about designing and fabricating a unit and the necessary electronics to accomplish the task.

And, start from the WFC bench model and work from there, as unless you can crack it at that stage, your clearly wasting your time trying to apply WFC injectors, etc, to a car engine



These statements above are not true !
This is a disinformation posting .
Please read the new postings over here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7034

Dankie

Just one vid of gas production at low wattage ,the world will beat a path to your door !!

Chet

How About I invite Fear jar back over here, And we can discuss The IQ  thing  and how important it is when Rome is burning

Chet
OH its all in the arcives Pointless  Much like being nasty
If you want to have an uninterrupted project with your peers at this forum
CALL THE BOSS  HE WILL GIVE MAKE YOU MODERATOR,OF A THREAD IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING OF USE BESIDES CONJECTURE

Chet AKA [shithead]

 

Projects are pointless here now Chethead, as is trying to post anything of value.

There appears to be no peers up to intelligent conversation let alone worthy of reviewing anything - you and the other half-wits have seen to that.

What hope is there for this forum when clearly the mainstay of active members are illiterate, and uneducated no-hopers looking for a little glory in the limelight!

All forums have there problems with idiots, but I see most of you have invaded all the other forums too, which seems strange, because you only tend to be talking to yourselves anyhow.  You're like a rampant plague - the black death... and the demise of this and other forums will be down to you low-lives and the moderator for tolerating you.

Stefan, clearly a mental asylum somewhere is missing a few inmates!  Are you ever going to manage this forum?

Its clearly you that is mentally ill , obviously you are TheBuzz and you should be banned .

Apart from some errors, everything in the brief makes sense, except for the mechanism of covalent switch-off which isn't well explained.

Of course it makes sense sweety, you just keep telling yourself that, while l phone for the men in white coats to come and take you away.

Of course it makes sense, because you, like Hydro and the rest of the Muppets, don't have the knowledge or education to disagree with it.  None of you seem to have the foggiest idea about science or electronics, which is why so much fantastical utter rubbish is posted time and time again.

Well done Alan. You too have made clear your own lack of education and basic understanding of science... and another one joins the ranks of the Muppet Squad. 

Why don't you give your comments on the techbrief and its incorrectness. It is written in layman's term, and for the educated hard to translate

The whole thing is a minefield of incoherrent gobbledegook (the same as his lectures), which you and the regular lame-brains would realise if you had even a glimmer of an education to fall back on. 

It would take me longer to point out all the flaws than it took Meyer to write the bloody nonsense. And what would be the point when you and all the other Meyer worshippers have been brainwashed into seeing something that is not there. You haven't the brains to see nonsense if it pokes you in the eye!

Do you all take your brains out and leave them at the door before logging on... or what?

It's now way beyond ridiculous. I've seen more intelligent life growing on 6 month old cheese than we get on this forum.

You're all as nutty as fruitcakes!

You are an idiot bitch.

Your an retard, First you preach how the vic works etc,,,, and then you claim stan to be a fraud. Your ignorant.


AT LEAST I WARNED EVERYONE I WOULD DO WHAT I WAS GOING TO DO lol.

Farrady, you have been revealed,,,, how does it feel grow worm, you june june. Bend over and take it like a man.

Lol Spew!!! At last some-one has bought up some serious points...
BUT FIRST THE RETORTS SLANDER AND NAME CALLING!!!

Dankie, I love you buddy but your wire ain't gonna sell and your countless promises of massive results from you and "your team" of voluntary/part-time cultist in the hope of selling more of your blessed wire... dip it in red wine and try to pass it off as "genuine" imitation of the wire used by some religous cults guru...

as for the others with the profanity and nothing but name calling... well its always good for a laugh how you guys spell stuff and use words!!!

OK onto the actual topic...
Your up to something that i keep bringing up (or at least have a few times) when people start to say "Meyers says!!" and then rant on about exact specifics. You have to remember that this man has no formal training in Physics, Chem. or electronics. He has his own terminology for everything to do with this science. You can tell this from his diagrams. I think the only thing that you can take as possibly stable is the power consumption and the quantity, possibly the temperature too but not to go there. To shoot the third option in the foot is the fact that there have been some seriously solid replications from people that have shown time stakenly slow progress and some nice little leaps (Ravi!!!) but then nothing. Meyers replication is possible. Using his terminology as gospel with todays components will result in some very average cells needing some creativity and application. Remember the old saying a rose by any other name still smells just as sweet. This is more applicable now then ever, we have a reasonably wise man with low commercial intelligence, who also has an invention he is trying to push without giving away its secret. I don't think you will find anything that will create a break through from Meyers notes videos or anything else he has published with first being able to understand "his english". I'm not saying i do, if i did you would see my add on here not ebays . Over-unity is a nice target and personally i think that the chances of someone here achieving it is low. But we are all still looking at the problem as a possible solutions. Meyers may of had something beside a good story but his ideas have already been proven to partially work. So on that note anyone who understands Meyer-science please post some translations. If not keep working and the only thing that doesn't help is people simply calling others names and those that discredit something without proof. But all in all Meyers terminology when DIRECTLY translated and constructed does not reach over unity, this has been proven lots of times. Modifacations and missing components are a plenty. Good luck all and you never know we could be looking back one day thinking 1700x OU is a joke!!!

HAHAHA you know nothing , keep sucking your thumb .

This technology is for the chosen ones , you guys will just get left out in the cold ...

lol @ crazy,,, Well I'm sick of farraday, buzz threatening me, and I'm sick and tired of him following me around.

Tell you the truth,, i plan on getting these small engines efficient as i can, and when i do i plan on traveling to these hydrogen shows,,, My spelling has nothing to do with this technology,, I aint the perfect speller and i am also not the worst...

To be honest,,, most of the guy's that get this crap to work is rednecks, and they couldn't spell a lick...


And I'll tell you something else,,, some of the smartest people on this planet cant spell, nor type, most of them is to computer illiterate, But that by no way  makes them stupid, even Einstein failed in school. He brought the name calling upon his self.