Author Topic: Finally I think I got it ! (Read 30346 times)

AB Hammer · « **Reply #30 on:** February 04, 2009, 03:14:00 PM »

Gravitator

Did you get the design I sent you?

AB Hammer · « **Reply #31 on:** February 13, 2009, 02:04:24 AM »

Gravitator I have waited on a reply long enough.

Greetings All

I am publishing this Design under copyright. Feel free to use the information to build any device you wish. When it comes to commercial exploitation I reserve whatever rights are given to my by law.

AB Hammer · « **Reply #32 on:** February 13, 2009, 02:14:42 AM »

Greetings All

I not going to say this will work. But from the direction of this string I see this as a possibility if at all. It rocks back and forth giving time to fill by natural vacuum the upper bellows bladder and the holding pool is to insure that it stays in position until the upper bellows bladder if full enough to rock back and repeat and pouring out the water tray that goes over the water wheel/turbine to produce some energy. The trays do not hold all the water from the bellows bladders and will be pouring out to the water wheel/turbine. This makes the trays a timing device to keep the action going. I hope you like it, from the designs I am working with this one was low on my agenda.

hansvonlieven · « **Reply #33 on:** February 13, 2009, 09:06:08 AM »

How are you going to restore the vacuum in the bladder once it empties itself Alan?

Hans

AB Hammer · « **Reply #34 on:** February 13, 2009, 02:40:10 PM »

Greetings Hans

The weights connected together on a sliding rail. This way as the weight slides down once forcing out the water on the low end up to the holding pan as it rocks the weight itself starts forcing the upper bellows bladder to open causing it to suck up the water into it, not unlike sucking a drink up a straw. My estimate if it can work, would be very slow operations. But LOL it might be an improvement over the drinking bird, for it would really drink.

wizkycho · « **Reply #35 on:** February 13, 2009, 03:47:19 PM »

Hi all !

this is mod. of Gravitator's idea

green enbodyment is ponton-bridgelike heavy body, with characteristic that overall is lower density material than water
so it floats. call it moveable part MP

1. air presassure created by gravity on MP makes water climb and fills container.
2. valve on MP opens (in and out valves on container are now closed)
3. since MP has lower density than water it is pushed upwards by boyancy.

totaly clean, can be used to generate electricity, hydropower plants (but without devastating ekosystem)...

mechanically not so complex to produce - (maybe to us - low/no money-time-labspace-equipment guys)
If someone who is genearting energy/money crysis and polution, would really give a fuck, building this is easy as cake.
Of course we would give them and did even better solutions.

Wiz

sushimoto · « **Reply #36 on:** February 13, 2009, 04:20:05 PM »

Hi,
Nice and easy to follow system.
Its an interesting evolution since your first post on this

I'll wait for some Archimedes to do some math and perhaps it will soon to be build.

Thanks,
sushimoto

PS: Your Topic "Finally I think I got it !" is a perfect signature for this OU-forum.

wattsup · « **Reply #37 on:** February 13, 2009, 05:14:19 PM »

V1 should be at the bottom of the riser tube.

sushimoto · « **Reply #38 on:** February 13, 2009, 05:21:37 PM »

.. so there is less height to pump? Nope, it needs the weight from the topmost position the piston.

Dimensioning for math?

Edit:
Since this is an simple system with a few parameters only, and assuming that the liquid is water,
it can be calculated easily. Here are the basics: http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/museum/themes/buoyant.htm
Maybe, somebody can withdraw some conservation laws, but friction and viscosity is the devil here.
The pressure apliied to the sealing-ring is enormous.

wattsup · « **Reply #39 on:** February 13, 2009, 05:37:52 PM »

No, so the water in the tube does not have a tendency to fall back into the tank.

AB Hammer · « **Reply #40 on:** February 13, 2009, 06:03:39 PM »

wizkycho

Yet another interesting pump idea. But what is going to operate the valves? I don't see natural reaction being able to do it as easily. It looks to me by your drawings that you will need a shift system for the valves and they will be under pressure remember this.

wattsup · « **Reply #41 on:** February 13, 2009, 06:15:38 PM »

Also the water from tube at V2 should not fall through the atmosphere before it lands in the bottom tank because it will create air bubbles. Ideally that tube should also go to the bottom tank and both V1 and V2 should be located in the bottom tank, underwater so there is no possibility of air infiltration.

On a scale from 1 to 10, I would give this idea an 8. You will still have to work out the friction from the seal on the 100kg weight. 100kg is too heavy anyways. Also working the valve operation could be by string connected to the 100kg weight and pulleys. But it is a good idea.

AB Hammer · « **Reply #42 on:** February 13, 2009, 06:25:32 PM »

Quote from: wattsup on February 13, 2009, 06:15:38 PM

Also the water from tube at V2 should not fall through the atmosphere before it lands in the bottom tank because it will create air bubbles. Ideally that tube should also go to the bottom tank and both V1 and V2 should be located in the bottom tank, underwater so there is no possibility of air infiltration.

On a scale from 1 to 10, I would give this idea an 8. You will still have to work out the friction from the seal on the 100kg weight. 100kg is too heavy anyways. Also working the valve operation could be by string connected to the 100kg weight and pulleys. But it is a good idea.

Greeting wattsup

I don't know why I didn't see that. Very good observation. I guess being sick has dulled down my scenes or I am just getting old. LOL A top air release device is going to have to be added but that will be tricky for the need of the vacuum to lift the water. I like my design better. LOL

sushimoto · « **Reply #43 on:** February 13, 2009, 06:49:57 PM »

Quote from: wattsup on February 13, 2009, 06:15:38 PM

Also the water from tube at V2 should not fall through the atmosphere before it lands in the bottom tank because it will create air bubbles. Ideally that tube should also go to the bottom tank and both V1 and V2 should be located in the bottom tank, underwater so there is no possibility of air infiltration.

On a scale from 1 to 10, I would give this idea an 8. You will still have to work out the friction from the seal on the 100kg weight. 100kg is too heavy anyways. Also working the valve operation could be by string connected to the 100kg weight and pulleys. But it is a good idea.

Hm not sure about the air bubbles.
In relation to the 100kg weight,
the bassin in the drawing must be 100inches (2.5m) in diameter (?).
Do you think, that air could travel about 100inches under water,
before it gets sucked in on the other sides bottom of the bassin?

wattsup · « **Reply #44 on:** February 13, 2009, 07:34:26 PM »

Everything will be relative. If you have a 2.5m dia. tank, then the top tank with the weight will be big also, and the filling of the top tank will require alot of water movement that will be relative also. Air bubbles are made in all sizes, some big but also some very small that can stay suspended and enter the riser tube. Also, if this is outdoors and you want the device to be wind proof, I would still put that tube underwater.

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