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Nihilanth

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The Three Keys to Changing The World
« on: October 08, 2008, 08:09:30 AM »
1 Free Energy:
   No powersupplys that can be regulated, controlled or blocked once it is started. No fuel, it must be free and self-powering. Not even solar or burning water.

2 Elemental Transmutation:
   Once you remove the boundary of the abundance of elements, no material can truely have  any more value than any other.

3 Home Assembly:
   The least necessary, but possibly the most powerful of the three. This allows the replication of the previous two at zero cost, when powered by them. If any object can be created from everpresent raw elements(thanks to transmutation) including a means of mass production then no one will depend on anyone else anymore if it is properly developed into atomic-level replication.

A Fresh Start

Free Energy, and possibly all of these could be achieved if we would just organized better. If we organized the information on a website like this better, cut out the unproductive discussion and determine exactly what devices work efficiently, cost-effectiveness size/portability, lifespan &  simplicity / ease of replication, then we can make actual progress.

So far PES Wiki is the closest to this, but it's limited by it's attempt to draw in people who only believe in "conventional" power and contains something of an excess of unusable information. Regular incremental backups of the site(with minimalist graphics etc.) available easily for download on the homepage would prevent it from ever really being destroyed. The only real problem with such a system is that it would rely on the trust of other members to test each others work, as well as the risk of infiltration by new members seeking to ruin the site, and trusted members identities being stolen.

That's all I can think of for now.

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Re: The Three Keys to Changing The World
« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2008, 09:08:23 AM »
Hi, Nihilanth!
So, in other words a Perpetuum Mobile, Apis Philosophorum, and Utopia... Yeah, that would be nice.. Count me in!

And all this should be possible with just a better organization of 'us, the gold-seekers'?
Maybe...

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Free Energy, and possibly all of these could be achieved if we would just organized better. If we organized the information on a website like this better, cut out the unproductive discussion and determine exactly what devices work efficiently, cost-effectiveness size/portability, lifespan &  simplicity / ease of replication, then we can make actual progress.

I particularly like "cut out the unproductive discussions" sentence!
Cheers!

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Re: The Three Keys to Changing The World
« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2008, 10:08:36 AM »
Fourth key: Magic genie lamps.  Give each person a magic genie in a lamp that will grant free wishes.  Let's all work on capturing genies and stuffing them in lamps.

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Re: The Three Keys to Changing The World
« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2008, 10:22:57 AM »
1 Free Energy:
   No powersupplys that can be regulated, controlled or blocked once it is started. No fuel, it must be free and self-powering. Not even solar or burning water.

2 Elemental Transmutation:
   Once you remove the boundary of the abundance of elements, no material can truely have  any more value than any other.

3 Home Assembly:
   The least necessary, but possibly the most powerful of the three. This allows the replication of the previous two at zero cost, when powered by them. If any object can be created from everpresent raw elements(thanks to transmutation) including a means of mass production then no one will depend on anyone else anymore if it is properly developed into atomic-level replication.

A Fresh Start

Free Energy, and possibly all of these could be achieved if we would just organized better. If we organized the information on a website like this better, cut out the unproductive discussion and determine exactly what devices work efficiently, cost-effectiveness size/portability, lifespan &  simplicity / ease of replication, then we can make actual progress.

So far PES Wiki is the closest to this, but it's limited by it's attempt to draw in people who only believe in "conventional" power and contains something of an excess of unusable information. Regular incremental backups of the site(with minimalist graphics etc.) available easily for download on the homepage would prevent it from ever really being destroyed. The only real problem with such a system is that it would rely on the trust of other members to test each others work, as well as the risk of infiltration by new members seeking to ruin the site, and trusted members identities being stolen.

That's all I can think of for now.

this can ALL be done right now,B U T >>>>>>NOTHING will EVER change untill the people in general form there own local economys(think about this for a min, and it opens up EVERYTHNIG else) and STOP looking to there Gov to save them from there OWN CRAP and the crap behind the curtain that goes on BECAUSE the people in general are to comfetable and cant be bothered.....some one else will fix it, ill just sit back...it will all be ok,.......yup that will work in the short term,and history will repeat and each time youll end up being screwed over more and more each time,your born into debt and it doesnt have to be that way at all, that what really F*****S me off about all this, life could be sooooooooooooo much better,but its full of bullshit death drugs and misery war WAR war rapests murderers and thievs, and it all because there is no real checks and stops for it......at this current point and time its all PURE BULL SHIT, and im blown away by the people who believe and support it.

untill the bullshit is removed, none of this will ever happen.

but in the mean time ill chill out in a beach bach, with solar pannles, my fruit tress and vege garden...,the people are to entertained to wake up...even while there being hung time after time after time..you debt gets bigger your life turns to shit... just put lip-stick on it.

....as a child i watched how tech took over the world, there wasnt much to start with, it was awsome how they sugested
in 20 years we would have a moon city, id be thirty when i saw that....so from 10 yo i waited and saw tech go woooooooosh, into entertainment and nothing else....its a very fast and steep curve ,yet we have no real tech to help people, just to entertain and tax and lable and track.

...i firmly believe nasa is a front and 95% of what we are told is bullshit, im sure we have secret ufo ships that we could produce and any one of us should have the right to venture out into space and look around and be  FREE......
...you think the current controll freaks would ever let that happen ?

... get real.
 

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Re: The Three Keys to Changing The World
« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2008, 02:26:57 PM »
i agree but our modern mentality as people is not a good soil to grow this kind of society.Inherently we have abilities that r wasted on entertainment,chase for money and false idols.Nothing matters what is not interchangable "on the market".Capitalism is not on the level of economy! it is much deeper.Markets exist in a wide range of meaning...we have market of partners as we r looking for someone that is a good deal for what we have to offer as a society member,u will ask urself "can i have better?" it's not normal way of thinking..

what is forgotten is that a life is an art and to be a master in any art u need patience,discipline,practice and commitement(focus).
This is really an univesal view on life,love and anything that matters.Yes,love is an art.Only a very small percentage of people have a true love
experience.Most of us will never have a happy life,sustained love or feel content.Dissapointments,divorces,living "next to" eachother is what most of us will get.

We lack self discipline.Ony discipline we see as right, is the one that leads to money,like work.We go and do those 8 h every day and spent a free time simply wasting it on entertainment that leads to no progress.Why ur work is more important than urself?

Patience is what we don't have.A child will rise and fall many times before it learns how to walk,u will be still on ur kniees and hands in other parts of ur life if u don't have patience...

Focus on one thing at the time.Most of people can't even stay with themselfs alone without any disturbance(music,tv's...)...All ur tv's are palying in background u read newspaper,eat and "chat" at the same time with ur family.If an adept of any art wanted to become master he would achieve nothing without a proper concentration.

Practice.Most people thinks they will find a person who will love them and they will love when they will find the right person.But love is not an object (person to be found), love is an neverending activity.Do a painter states that he will paint a perfect picture if he will find a right object to paint,but never practising beforhand?

First thing to achieve anything should be a ground zero work on ourselfs to see what really matters in life and who is worth idolising.We r a brotherhood of men but our culture is such a dump if u watch it objectively....it is painfull.I am really glad i meet a people more openminded and deeply thinking in my life.All that i invested in deep thinking repaid already in internal harmony, found purpose of life and sustained true love ability.best start is to find urself willing to develop yourself the rest will follow.

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Re: The Three Keys to Changing The World
« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2008, 06:37:08 PM »
@Nihilanth,
I often think of the same three, though for the free energy I think of an energy source such as ZPE, abundant and available anywhere provided we can tap it. Imagine turning hydrogen into lettuce at will. Or perhaps if we can tap ZPE then we can create the matter out of energy and skip the transmutation. And with control of ZPE we may get control of gravity or space and then we're off.

Let's see... one "provided we can", one "if", and one "we may".  :-)
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Re: The Three Keys to Changing The World
« Reply #6 on: October 08, 2008, 09:02:16 PM »
@b0rg13: Even if people create their own local economies, everything can easily be changed back. The only good economy is no economy.

My approach involving the creation of a process of transmutation and object replication (possibly at atomic level) would render all currencies un-backable and unnecessary. If you could put a food item, like a sandwich into the atomic replicator, and it deconstructs is, creating a form of "blueprint" of the sandwich that could be saved as a computer file and shared with others, so long as someone has a replicator and a pile of dirt(transmutation) then they too could have one at no cost. And who's to say one can't replicate another replicator, and just hand them out for free. Once you had one and saw what you could possibly do with it, I doubt you'd ever go to work again to say the least. And if you made at least one other replicator a day and gave them away for free to people asking them to do the same, then I doubt anyone could ever get rid of them all.

I think that this approach is the best possible way to fix the world as it is now. Viral Freedom.

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Re: The Three Keys to Changing The World
« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2008, 09:53:58 PM »
and if people started to replicate themselfs? that would be wierd  ;D u couldmake a blueprint of yourself now and replicate it 20 years later but with reprogramed brain blueprint.Sure i woulndn't want anyone to steal my blueprint  >:( ;D
I agree that money system should be finished as fast as possible and all work should be done by the technology,freeing our capacity to foucus on what really matters in life.First step would be to become self sustained in food,energy and communication chanels.

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Re: The Three Keys to Changing The World
« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2008, 11:26:23 PM »
The beginning versions of the device would probably resemble Reprap or Fab lab. Only once objects can be assembled at an atomic level, and at the same integrity as the original could objects possibly be disassembled to create a usable blueprint. I doubt anyone would survive being ripped apart atom-by-atom. :P But only time would tell.

Although I wouldn't rule out the possibility of use for donor organs.

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Re: The Three Keys to Changing The World
« Reply #9 on: October 08, 2008, 11:44:23 PM »
I recently read a sci-fi book called "A for Anything" by Damon Knight which started out where someone had created just such a replication device and mailed two each to a bunch of people. Each person was mailed two for the reason Nihilanth gave, so they could replicate the replicator. Later in the story they'd figured out how to stop the replication in mid process and store the pattern for later retrieval. They replicated people too. All things you guys have pointed out. But who does the work? The cleaning, the replicating, setting the table (the contents of which would be trashed afterwards), ... In the book, a period of turmoil was gone through ending up in the replicators being controlled by a minority and the rest of the people being slaves. I was saddened by this since near the beginning of the book some were talking about replicating rocket fuel on the fly so that rocket travel to and in space would be a cinch; carry just a little bit of fuel which you repleatedly replicate and shoot into the combustion chamber. Unfortunately the author didn't go that way. So we really need only the replicator! The free energy comes from that. I'm betting we'll be tapping ZPE before we can figure out replicators - though both would come from a better understanding of reality.
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Re: The Three Keys to Changing The World
« Reply #10 on: October 08, 2008, 11:57:18 PM »
Free energy seems a lot easier to achieve then matter replication. I have to admit I didn't think of replicating fuel like that, It seems good in concept, but ultimately It would probably take more energy to construct the fuel then to burn it. I might have to take a look at that book, sounds interesting.

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Re: The Three Keys to Changing The World
« Reply #11 on: October 10, 2008, 01:05:37 AM »
Free energy will lead to all of these things...

Hutchinson has already preformed transmutation uncontrolled of course. Free energy tests could be carried out.

Home factories would be easily achived because factories would no longer have overhead it would only have to worry about product sales and wages...

Imagine that a home mill would be cheaply made...

So let us go back to the biggest fundamental issue!!!

We need free energy!

It has ramifications of on monumental possibility.

Take it all away the rest will all filter through with free energy!


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Re: The Three Keys to Changing The World
« Reply #12 on: October 10, 2008, 02:22:42 AM »
I know that John Hutchinson managed to make wood melt into a block of metal, but I don't recall

And apparently Arie DeGeus had made a patent for a method of transmutation, before he died of "most likely not a homicide." after proposing a free energy battery. http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/en/wo.jsp?wo=2002031833&IA=NL2001000710&DISPLAY=STATUS

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Re: The Three Keys to Changing The World
« Reply #13 on: November 04, 2008, 12:02:43 AM »
there is 1 key to changing the world. Abolishment of Greed. unfortunately this is not something that will happen anytime soon...if ever. People are a plague! :'(

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Re: The Three Keys to Changing The World
« Reply #14 on: November 04, 2008, 01:45:30 AM »
To replicate something exists for example the SIS-concept developed by Boris Khoshnevis
and many other kinds of " 3D Rapid Prototyping/Manufactoring Tools ".

For self-replicating-components the REPRAP -project.

For "mono-lith-homes" the "Contour Crafting"-project also from Prof. Khoshnevis.

For "free energie"- devices the possibility of overunity.com- research and other FE-oriented/occidental
sites.

About matter-genering : mother/father nature serves gratis/ mostly costsfree.

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