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nievesoliveras

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Re: EL IEVE free energy magnetic mill
« Reply #150 on: October 18, 2008, 02:37:24 AM »
Hi!

I will try to comunicate with juan in spanish.

Hola Juan!

Me gustaria que tu nos aydaras a poder hacer una replica de tu invencion. El problema es que la informacion que tenemos es inexacta. Serias tu tan amable de darnos una informacion mas clara?

Gracias por adelantado!

Jesus

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Re: EL IEVE free energy magnetic mill
« Reply #151 on: October 18, 2008, 04:55:25 AM »
Thanks, nievesoliver.
Good question.
I’ve asked Juan almost the same, but got big automated answer about how good it is.
He said in it he would help to build it, but not one single question was answered.
Maybe you ask him what’s wrong we’re doing and what has to be changed, corrected, if he won’t show exact diagram his working model (how he can help saying nothing, but common words).

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Re: EL IEVE free energy magnetic mill
« Reply #152 on: October 18, 2008, 03:38:14 PM »
Hi!

@light
I will ask him here.

Hola Juan!

Podrias decirnos que es lo que estamos haciendo mal que no nos sale tu invento?
Que es lo que tenemos que cambiar para que el invento funcione?
Tu dices que nos vas ha ayudar pero no dices nada ni contestas nuestras preguntas.
Tu verdaderamente podrias ser el salvador de este planeta que esta siendo desabastecido de sus recursos naturales.
Por favor ayudanos con tus conocimientos.

Jesus

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Re: EL IEVE free energy magnetic mill
« Reply #153 on: October 19, 2008, 03:19:02 AM »
Hello All,

I would like to clear up some stuff once and for all. All the information we need to build the motor has been thoroughly explained by Juan over and over again. I recently posted a PDF file showing all of the essential dimensional relationships that need to be observed when constructing the unit. I have been in communication with Juan for quite some time now; the diagram that I posted was approved directly by him as accurate. Though the magnets I used in the diagram are not the same 20 mm dia x 5mm thick magnets that he used in the video, you can easily scale the model in the drawing to fit those magnet sizes. Here's the basic concepts:

1. The diameter of the ring needs to be the length of 5 magnet diameters. so if you have magnets that are 1 inch in diameter, the ring's inner diameter needs to be 5 inches.

2. He describes the magnets as being like pennies, so that means they should be thin! Not so thin that they break very easily but you can go with a proportional diameter to thickness ration of  4:1 or higher. The magnets I show in the diagram are his recommended magnets to start with to build an easy-to-tune model. His suggested magnet size is 2 inches in diameter and 0.196" (5 mm) thick. This gives a diameter to thickness ration of 10:1. So that will give you an idea of what size magnets to work with.

3. The ring should ideally have 30 magnets in it in accordance with the previously mentioned dimension relationships. If you can't fit 30 magnets in, then your magnets are probably too thick.

4. Each magnet needs to overlap half of the previous magnets face. I recently made a cheap mockup to show this principle using pennies:

(http://i356.photobucket.com/albums/oo7/Jdo300/Juan%20Carlos%20Magnet%20Motor%20Pics/PennyRing1.jpg)

Again, this is just to illustrate how the magnets should overlap each other, it's not anatomically correct or anything.

5. The magnets on the rotor arms are the critical part of the motor. They should be the same dimensions as the ring magnets and should have a starting angle of 45 degrees. Juan stated many times that tuning the motor to get it to run involves tweaking the angle of the rotor magnets to find the "cascade of magnetic repulsion" as he terms it.

6. Another important parameter for tuning is distance between the ring magnets and the rotor magnets. Juan suggested a starting distance of about 1.5 cm (for the model I showed in the PDF). But you want a pretty large distance to play with. Design the rotor arms so that you can easily adjust the length as well as the angle. These two parameters will allow you to tune your unit.

7. Starting out, Juan suggests that we make the motors out of Ceramic magnets. As several people mentioned earlier, the magnets in the video were just ordinary ceramic magnets taken from chess pieces. they are 20 mm dia x 5 mm thick. The magnets shown in my PDF should also be ceramic. Neo magnets can also be used later on but the ceramic magnets are easier to work with starting off.

8. There is NO shielding used in the motor in the video. I have discussed this question with Juan several times and he made it clear that the ring and the rotor only have magnets. The mentioning of shielding was just a translation error.

9. The ring used in the video was just a simple cardboard tape roll that was 0.75 inches tall. You don't need any fancy magnetic materials to construct the ring. The same goes for the rotor. Make it out of whatever you want as long as it is not ferromagnetic. We don't want the structural materials to interfere with the magnetic interactions.

Here is a link to the PDF that I attached to a previous post here:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5660.0;attach=27008

Again, you don't need to use the exact dimensions of the magnets shown but if you follow the above guidelines, that will give you a good starting point to begin building and testing.

If anyone has any questions, just ask and I'll do my best to answer.

God Bless,
Jason O

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Re: EL IEVE free energy magnetic mill
« Reply #154 on: October 19, 2008, 03:51:14 AM »
Hi!

@jdo300
Thank you for the information. But I thought that because the message was in spanish, mr Juan was going to reply himself.

Jesus

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Re: EL IEVE free energy magnetic mill
« Reply #155 on: October 19, 2008, 05:49:53 AM »
Thanks, Jdo.
It means you’re agree that in this  drawing everything’s wrong – it’s not half-face overlap, it’s not 2cm diameter, and it’s not  50 and 5 degrees rule, as well 30 magnets rule (change sizes of magnets, even in 5:1 relation, and everything changes too).
But look at Dan’s setup – it’s exactly what are you writing about - all dimensions are fits.
But it does not work. I have the same setup and it turns only when I’m plying with stator (tilting, wobbling, etc), when it still – no movements; and it can’t be.
And look to Juan writing about shielding material, it’s really hard to make a “wrong translation”.
So still something fishy here, I’ll better wait Juan’s reply to questions and his comments about what’s wrong with Dan’s setup (which’s perfectly fits in your description; it can’t be done better). Thank you.

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Re: EL IEVE free energy magnetic mill
« Reply #156 on: October 19, 2008, 07:50:06 AM »
Thanks, Jdo.
It means you’re agree that in this  drawing everything’s wrong – it’s not half-face overlap, it’s not 2cm diameter, and it’s not  50 and 5 degrees rule, as well 30 magnets rule (change sizes of magnets, even in 5:1 relation, and everything changes too).
But look at Dan’s setup – it’s exactly what are you writing about - all dimensions are fits.
But it does not work. I have the same setup and it turns only when I’m plying with stator (tilting, wobbling, etc), when it still – no movements; and it can’t be.
And look to Juan writing about shielding material, it’s really hard to make a “wrong translation”.
So still something fishy here, I’ll better wait Juan’s reply to questions and his comments about what’s wrong with Dan’s setup (which’s perfectly fits in your description; it can’t be done better). Thank you.


I do agree that there are still some questions about the setup. I am also waiting to see how Dan's builds go which is why I have not bothered to start building one myself. As for the drawing, all I can say is that the relationships that Juan told be about are illustrated there, though I must admit that the magnets shown aren't overlapping exactly 1/2 of the faces. But then again, we don't know how critical these parameters really are. The same goes for the angles as well. The ones shown on the diagram are definitely in relation to the magnets and their dimensions. I never really got a straight answer out of Juan about the angles of the ring magnets so those are just what happened to show up when I put the 30 magnets around the ring and allowed for a small gap between the adjacent magnets by adjusting the tilt angle.

All we can do now is wait and see what happens with those who are still working with Juan to get their builds running. The nice thing is that he is very attentive and gives thorough feedback on the replications. So I remain optimistic at this point.

God Bless,
Jason O

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Re: EL IEVE free energy magnetic mill
« Reply #157 on: October 19, 2008, 07:55:09 AM »
Hi!

@jdo300
Thank you for the information. But I thought that because the message was in spanish, mr Juan was going to reply himself.

Jesus

He may but generally, he gives me and other people "publications" to post to the forum here, probably because he doesn't speak English and has us translate stuff for him. He does have a registered username though and did post a couple of things back at the beginning of this thread so who knows? But if you want to get in touch with him, the best way is through MSN. He's online just about every day if you want to chat with him directly.

God Bless,
Jason O

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Re: EL IEVE free energy magnetic mill
« Reply #158 on: October 19, 2008, 03:13:13 PM »
I'll add a couple of thoughts.  Juan noted that about 1/2 of the magnets face in the ring should be exposed.  The only way to achieve this, using a ratio of 5:1  diameter-of-ring:size-of-magnet is to use 30 magnets.  Check the math and you'll see for yourself. 

Now, it might also be feasible to use another ratio such as 7:1 and use 44 magnets.  Pi X 7 / 44 = .5

I think Dan used 24 magnets and a 5:1 ratio.  This may or may not be an issue.  I have to say again Dan that it is a most beautiful build.

The other thing to clarify with Juan is if an odd number of magnets, which would eliminate any possibility of magnetic balance between the rotor and the ring would make sense.  For example, instead of 30 magnets in a 5:1, should we use 29 or 31 -- thus there would never be two opposing and equal magnetic points.  I'm not sure the translator will help me to ask this clearly, JDO can you help me on this question ?    thanks ahead of time.
good luck all - Duane


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Re: EL IEVE free energy magnetic mill
« Reply #159 on: October 19, 2008, 08:47:03 PM »
Hey Duane,

That's a good question and one that I have thought about myself a few times. I'll ask Juan about it next time I speak to him and tell everyone what he says.

God Bless,
Jason O

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Re: EL IEVE free energy magnetic mill
« Reply #160 on: October 19, 2008, 09:21:55 PM »

Question:
Someone could ask Juan; Does he sort the stator magnets or does he just use them randomly?
Does he play with the stator at all as he installs them to select the magnets?

Statement:
I don't want to ruin anybodies dream here, but the easiest way I could see this happening
is if his house were wired incorrectly. The utility cable has two conductors and the
current is supposed to flow in on one wire and out on the other nearby parallel conductor
in the same cable. But it is possible to connect the two conductors together to support
more current in the cable then have the return current flow on along some other cable
route forming a big one wire loop around the room. This would be like a one turn transformer
primary bathing the whole room in a AC magnetic field. This could easily happen if you
create a household circuit to support two light switches on one light and don't wire the
circuit the way your supposed to. One would still need a electrical device drawing current
through the circuit to make the AC field happen - the more power dissipated by the
device the bigger the field.

The rotor would tuned to the frequency of the AC and rotate.

The above is just speculation - but it could happen and therefore two parties
would constantly get different results.

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Re: EL IEVE free energy magnetic mill
« Reply #161 on: October 20, 2008, 03:46:47 AM »
Hi All

The one good thing that came out of all the debate about the "Shield" mistranslation (sorry all  :P) is that it still seems to apply but in a magnetic way from what I'm seeing  ???

Rather than getting Juan involved in too much translation I was wondering if he would be so kind as to donate his working model for this forum to inspect (non destructively) and pass it on to other (Voted as best to inspect and report back (myself excluded) inspector(s))).

I will gladly donate $100.00 CA towards a working model (as in the video or better) for forum members to inspect and get the ball rolling if Juan agrees and anyone else is interested in this approach.  Better than nothing  :)

Regards,
Paul


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Re: EL IEVE free energy magnetic mill
« Reply #162 on: October 20, 2008, 04:13:03 AM »
I'm with you Paul, good idea.
If Juan wants to help it to be promoted we have to be able to replicate his model (on video), otherwise it will go nowhere.
If Juan will agree with it, let him appoint THE man for “inspection” (in fact it’s gonna be just close friendly presentation); I think Dan’s a right person for it. But it's up to Juan...

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Re: EL IEVE free energy magnetic mill
« Reply #163 on: October 20, 2008, 05:06:50 AM »
This device spam youtube since its exist, i am pretty sure its a fake. Someone that post this video 100 times per day with 100 differents username is suspect...

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Re: EL IEVE free energy magnetic mill
« Reply #164 on: October 20, 2008, 05:42:25 AM »
The reason for all the multiple youtube posts is fear of suppression by Juan.  Juan figured that having many video posts on youtube would make it harder to delete and suppress his motor.

I feel this device is not a fake.  I have been building and playing around with magnetic devices like Juan's motor for many many years.  No real successes yet, as we are all still trying to achieve continuous rotation etc.  The research continues...

Be patient with Juan. 
He has been very open with the technology and will talk with anyone willing to try and replicate his motor.

~Dan

P.S.  I included a pic of another build.